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Old October 30th, 2006 (5:17 PM). Edited November 3rd, 2006 by Chesters_love.
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i have 2 emeralds,and i restarted a different one,here are my pokemon:

Grovyle Lv28
Modest Nature
Fury Cutter
Absorb
Screech
Pursuit

Swalot Lv26
Modest Nature
Body Slam
Sludge
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Skitty Lv27
Timid Nature
Assist
faint attack
Tackle
Charm

Swellow Lv26
Bold Nature
Peck
Quick Attack
Wing Attack
Steel Wing
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Old October 30th, 2006 (9:10 PM).
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i have 2 emeralds,and i restarted a different one,here are my pokemon:

Grovyle Lv26
Modest Nature
Fury Cutter
Absorb
Screech
Pursuit

^No... This is original movepool and well.... not good...

Grovyle Lv26
Modest Nature
Leaf Blade
Aerial Ace
Dragon Claw
Thunderpunch/Crunch


Swalot Lv26
Modest Nature
Body Slam
Sludge Bomb
Substitute
Toxic


Skitty Lv25
Timid Nature
Assist
Faint Attack
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt


Swellow Lv25
Bold JollyNature
Aerial Ace
Facade
Rest
Sleep Talk



o.k done.im not sure if swalot can learn flamethrower,can it?ill update when my pokemon grow lvs.
Swalot cant learn Flamethrower... anyways this is what I think.
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Old October 31st, 2006 (3:40 AM).
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yeah thats a good moveset....but i DONT GET THOSEMOVES UNTIL LV30 )0R HIGHER
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Old October 31st, 2006 (4:35 AM). Edited November 11th, 2006 by Lord Mike.
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Then teach it those moves when they learn it.</duh>
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Beginning of the game rates are pretty pointless, my friend. If you want a serious rate, it either has to be what their FINAL movesets should be (that Alex suggested), or you need to breed for the movesets and then start off the game with them that way, if they are able. I just cannot take time to rate your team every time you make changes through level ups. I am sure others feel the same way. I can give you a tip though:

NEVER give two attacking moves of the same type to a Poke. Give it ONE attack that benefits from STAB (or two, if applicable), one attack that is SE against its weakness(es) (or two, if possible), and a combination of a stat-increasing move or an HP-increasing move. Your moveset should look like this:

Poke @ (useful item)
Beneficial Nature
- STAB move
- STAB move/SE move
- SE move/Stat-increasing move
- Stat-increasing move/HP-increasing move/Utility move

Let's now take your Grovyle for example:

Grovyle @ Leftovers
- Leaf Blade (STAB move)
- Leech Seed (HP-increasing move)
- Substitute (Utility move)
- Thunderpunch (SE move)

To explain, you breed Treecko with Bulbasaur to get Leech Seed, Leaf Blade is learned naturally, and both Sub and TP are Move Tutor moves. So, you get a male and female Treecko that knows both Leech Seed and Leaf Blade, breed them together, and your baby will be born with both moves. Since you are lucky enough to have another Emerald, you then trade your baby Treecko to the other Emerald and teach it Sub and TP. Trade it back and you now have a Lv5 Treecko with its best moveset, and you didn't cheat to get it.

Now, follow the guideline and you will now have the knowledge and capacity to create good movesets to your Pokes, no matter what point in the game you are at.
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Beginning of the game rates are pretty pointless, my friend. If you want a serious rate, it either has to be what their FINAL movesets should be (that Alex suggested), or you need to breed for the movesets and then start off the game with them that way, if they are able. I just cannot take time to rate your team every time you make changes through level ups. I am sure others feel the same way. I can give you a tip though:

NEVER give two attacking moves of the same type to a Poke. Give it ONE attack that benefits from STAB (or two, if applicable), one attack that is SE against its weakness(es) (or two, if possible), and a combination of a stat-increasing move or an HP-increasing move. Your moveset should look like this:

Poke @ (useful item)
Beneficial Nature
- STAB move
- STAB move/SE move
- SE move/Stat-increasing move
- Stat-increasing move/HP-increasing move/Utility move

Let's now take your Grovyle for example:

Grovyle @ Leftovers
- Leaf Blade (STAB move)
- Dragon Claw
- Substitute (Utility move)
- Thunderpunch (SE move)

To explain, you breed Treecko with Bulbasaur to get Leech Seed, Leaf Blade is learned naturally, and both Sub and TP are Move Tutor moves. So, you get a male and female Treecko that knows both Leech Seed and Leaf Blade, breed them together, and your baby will be born with both moves. Since you are lucky enough to have another Emerald, you then trade your baby Treecko to the other Emerald and teach it Sub and TP. Trade it back and you now have a Lv5 Treecko with its best moveset, and you didn't cheat to get it.

Now, follow the guideline and you will now have the knowledge and capacity to create good movesets to your Pokes, no matter what point in the game you are at.
I though Dragon Claw was better then Leech Seed.
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Due to my limited experience, I expect I might regret posting this, but here goes.

Between leechseed and leftovers the substitutes should be relatively paid for.
Dragon claw is interesting and Ive never even seen/fought a sceptile yet in NB, but using rational logic, I dont think one would expect a Scepty to whip out dragon claw. Points for unpredictability.

I dont know how much losing leech seed would effect the whole sub game, but it wouldnt help it. As long as its a sub user(perhaps it qualifies as a subpuncher even?) Id say keep leech seed.

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ok i like these,hmm,i think ill go with shanecdavis
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Well done, Nexus. You were spot on. There is no comparison between Dragon Claw and Leech Seed.
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well... leach seed is useful for a sub'er But those who favor attack over maintenence will holler "WASTEFUL!"
on the other hand, you could breed another recovery move (not leech seed)into it and you could even use something like giga drain to recoup the loss of hp from a sub...
As for Septile and dragon claw many people will expect it especially those who have ever trained a dragon team.
it is rare but not unheard of to teach Sceptile dragon claw.
but all dragon claw is good for is killing things like rayquaza and salamence simply to keep them from using their flying type to OHKO your sceptile.
and if you are thinking about using thunderpunch then you really dont need dragon claw after all...
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Leech Seed is, or at least should be, a standard move on any Poke that can learn it. It is FAR from "WASTEFUL", even outside of a Substitute moveset. There is not another recovery move that you can breed on Sceptile, and Giga Drain is not nearly as good either. With Leech Seed, you seed once and get HP gain every turn until the Poke dies. With Giga Drain, you have to use the move every turn. No comparison. As for the Sub set, you seed first, and then you can continually use Sub and stall, regaining most of what you pay for Sub through Lefties and seeding. The opponent eventually will have to switch out, allowing your Sub to eventually stick and then you seed the new opponent on the next turn. Too many trainers underestimate the power of Leech Seed.
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Leech Seed is, or at least should be, a standard move on any Poke that can learn it. It is FAR from "WASTEFUL", even outside of a Substitute moveset. There is not another recovery move that you can breed on Sceptile, and Giga Drain is not nearly as good either. With Leech Seed, you seed once and get HP gain every turn until the Poke dies. With Giga Drain, you have to use the move every turn. No comparison. As for the Sub set, you seed first, and then you can continually use Sub and stall, regaining most of what you pay for Sub through Lefties and seeding. The opponent eventually will have to switch out, allowing your Sub to eventually stick and then you seed the new opponent on the next turn. Too many nubs underestimate the power of Leech Seed.
Changed you sentence a little bit =)

Sceptile/Celebi subseeding can annoy the hell out of you. Apperently they are nubs thinking that they will see Ray at all, even at BF since it is banned there. Salmence though can still be stalled out from it, plus you can still switch to an approprate counter while healing off any damage taken from Salamence caused.
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Changed you sentence a little bit =)

Sceptile/Celebi subseeding can annoy the hell out of you. Apperently they are nubs thinking that they will see Ray at all, even at BF since it is banned there. Salmence though can still be stalled out from it, plus you can still switch to an approprate counter while healing off any damage taken from Salamence caused.

ug can you guys help me, i cant beat watson!!!!
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ug can you guys help me, i cant beat watson!!!!
Go back to the cave by dewford and catch a geodude.

Also, there's a TM for a ground move you should be able to get by that point. I recall using it to defeat wattson my first time through ruby.
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ug can you guys help me, i cant beat watson!!!!
That's why Mudkip is the best starter ever. It evolves into Water/Ground before you meet Wattson, making it sweep through its pathetic Poke's with ease. That doesn't help you of course.

As Nexus suggested, catching a Geodude in Dewford is a MUST when starting with either Treecko or Torchic. By the time you get to Wattson, it can handle the Pokes almost as well as Marshtomp.

BTW - There aren't any Ground TMs to be gotten before facing Wattson.
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That's why Mudkip is the best starter ever. It evolves into Water/Ground before you meet Wattson, making it sweep through its pathetic Poke's with ease. That doesn't help you of course.

As Nexus suggested, catching a Geodude in Dewford is a MUST when starting with either Treecko or Torchic. By the time you get to Wattson, it can handle the Pokes almost as well as Marshtomp.

BTW - There aren't any Ground TMs to be gotten before facing Wattson.
Well it isnt a MUST to catch Geoudude if you have Torchic because if it has evolved in Combusken and is high levelled enough then it should be fine. I was fine with Combusken through the third gym. But when I chose Treecko for starting.... well it was a nightmare getting past Wattson.... weak grass attacks...
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That is another problem in-game. If you take the time to level up high enough, ANY battle is simple. I like how they had a level limit with traded Pokes (which should have been more enforced towards the end of the storyline), but honestly I think that should pertain to your own Pokes too. There should be a limitation where your own Pokes cannot be more than one level (if that) higher than the highest level Poke the gym leader has. I know the game is set up so that a 6-year old can beat it, but this way it would at least teach trainers to build proper teams. Of course, it would be nice if the gym leaders at least made an attempt to cover their weaknesses. I don't know if that has changed in DP, but I am not holding my breath.

BTW - Sorry for getting off-topic. If you need any more help with the game, gold typhlosion, either pm me or ask in the regular RSE section.
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That's why Mudkip is the best starter ever. It evolves into Water/Ground before you meet Wattson, making it sweep through its pathetic Poke's with ease. That doesn't help you of course.

As Nexus suggested, catching a Geodude in Dewford is a MUST when starting with either Treecko or Torchic. By the time you get to Wattson, it can handle the Pokes almost as well as Marshtomp.

BTW - There aren't any Ground TMs to be gotten before facing Wattson.

um...no TORCHIC is better than mudkip,im only having a hard time on magneton,and torchic can whip it.
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well... leach seed is useful for a sub'er But those who favor attack over maintenence will holler "WASTEFUL!"
on the other hand, you could breed another recovery move (not leech seed)into it and you could even use something like giga drain to recoup the loss of hp from a sub...
As for Septile and dragon claw many people will expect it especially those who have ever trained a dragon team.
it is rare but not unheard of to teach Sceptile dragon claw.
but all dragon claw is good for is killing things like rayquaza and salamence simply to keep them from using their flying type to OHKO your sceptile.
and if you are thinking about using thunderpunch then you really dont need dragon claw after all...
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Leech Seed is, or at least should be, a standard move on any Poke that can learn it. It is FAR from "WASTEFUL", even outside of a Substitute moveset. There is not another recovery move that you can breed on Sceptile, and Giga Drain is not nearly as good either. With Leech Seed, you seed once and get HP gain every turn until the Poke dies. With Giga Drain, you have to use the move every turn. No comparison. As for the Sub set, you seed first, and then you can continually use Sub and stall, regaining most of what you pay for Sub through Lefties and seeding. The opponent eventually will have to switch out, allowing your Sub to eventually stick and then you seed the new opponent on the next turn. Too many trainers underestimate the power of Leech Seed.
if you had read my post closer you would see that i said that people who favor attack over recovery wold say "wasteful"... i was silently agreeing with you but you werent paying attention.
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Sceptile/Celebi subseeding can annoy the hell out of you. Apperently they are nubs thinking that they will see Ray at all, even at BF since it is banned there. Salmence though can still be stalled out from it, plus you can still switch to an approprate counter while healing off any damage taken from Salamence caused.
Rayquaza is banned but good salamence set could easily beat you
Besides when i post in a place like this i always assume that anything can happen... that is a mistake most n00bs make, not being prepared for everything possible and not accepting the fact that it could happen
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if you had read my post closer you would see that i said that people who favor attack over recovery wold say "wasteful"... i was silently agreeing with you but you werent paying attention.
I understood what you said, I was saying that even for people that favor attack over recovery it isn't wasteful. Those people just don't understand the true value of the move. Recovery is only half of it.
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if you had read my post closer you would see that i said that people who favor attack over recovery wold say "wasteful"... i was silently agreeing with you but you werent paying attention.
Atacking straight up is for nubs that dont know waht they're doing. Plus if you
didnt know, seeding takes out HP from your opponent, meaning waller like Blissey and Snorlax are crippled plus attackers that cant heal themselves are getting screwed slowly for every turn that goes by.
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Rayquaza is banned but good salamence set could easily beat you
Besides when i post in a place like this i always assume that anything can happen... that is a mistake most n00bs make, not being prepared for everything possible and not accepting the fact that it could happen

Subseed > Salmence, Sceptile=Subseed, therefore Sceptile > Salamence

a good salmence is hard to find, plus it needs to start in order to actually make an actual difference because Sceptile is faster than Salmence. And please dont tell me I am wrong unless I actually see you netbattling with your strategy of... Lol.. Attacking Sceptile
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if you had read my post closer you would see that i said that people who favor attack over recovery wold say "wasteful"... i was silently agreeing with you but you werent paying attention.

I understood what you said, I was saying that even for people that favor attack over recovery it isn't wasteful. Those people just don't understand the true value of the move. Recovery is only half of it.
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Atacking straight up is for nubs that dont know waht they're doing. Plus if you
didnt know, seeding takes out HP from your opponent, meaning waller like Blissey and Snorlax are crippled plus attackers that cant heal themselves are getting screwed slowly for every turn that goes by.



Subseed > Salmence, Sceptile=Subseed, therefore Sceptile > Salamence

a good salmence is hard to find, plus it needs to start in order to actually make an actual difference because Sceptile is faster than Salmence. And please dont tell me I am wrong unless I actually see you netbattling with your strategy of... Lol.. Attacking Sceptile
Attacking straight up is not n00bish but overcofidence is n00bish
Second, i know exactly what leach seed does and are familiar with its uses
i.e. taking down wallers.
Finally a good trainer who is determined to train a good salamence would have not only a high sp.atk but high speed as well. if someone were to take the time train a salamence with say...a hasty nature
and last but not least

in order for this -->"Sceptile > Salamence" to be true sceptile must be faster and have dragon claw.
i belive you,Rubberbandman,are suffering from a case of overconfidence
the whole point of this statement
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Rayquaza is banned but good salamence set could easily beat you
Besides when i post in a place like this i always assume that anything can happen... that is a mistake most n00bs make, not being prepared for everything possible and not accepting the fact that it could happen


is that you must accept the fact that it could happen and the fact that it is a "subseeder" DOES NOT MAKE IT INVINCIBLE TO ANYTHING
i am not saying that is a bad idea just that you are being a little overconfident...
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um...no TORCHIC is better than mudkip,im only having a hard time on magneton,and torchic can whip it.
Don't know how I missed this one. LOL Ummm, gold typhlosion, you do know that by the time you face Wattson that Mudkip should have evolved into Marshtomp, right? You do know that Marshtomp is Water/Ground, right? You do know that Marshtomp is immune to Electric attacks, right? The only move Magnemite/Magneton can use on Marshtomp is Sonic Boom, which always does 20 DP. Against Torchic/Combusken, it can use both Thundershock and Spark, both that do more damage than Sonic Boom. Then if you take into consideration that Marshtomp has better defenses than Combusken, it is easy to see that Mudkip is far and away the greatest starter ever.

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Attacking straight up is not n00bish but overcofidence is n00bish
Second, i know exactly what leach seed does and are familiar with its uses
i.e. taking down wallers.
Finally a good trainer who is determined to train a good salamence would have not only a high sp.atk but high speed as well. if someone were to take the time train a salamence with say...a hasty nature
and last but not least

in order for this -->"Sceptile > Salamence" to be true sceptile must be faster and have dragon claw.
i belive you,Rubberbandman,are suffering from a case of overconfidence
the whole point of this statement
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Originally Posted by poketrainer2004
Rayquaza is banned but good salamence set could easily beat you
Besides when i post in a place like this i always assume that anything can happen... that is a mistake most n00bs make, not being prepared for everything possible and not accepting the fact that it could happen

is that you must accept the fact that it could happen and the fact that it is a "subseeder" DOES NOT MAKE IT INVINCIBLE TO ANYTHING
i am not saying that is a bad idea just that you are being a little overconfident...
Where do I begin? Okay, straight up attacking is noobish. Too many trainers don't understand the necessity of utility moves such as Leech Seed, Heal Bell, Spikes, Rapid Spin, etc. If you have a trainer that has 6 Pokes that are molded under the noobish "straight up attacking" mentality, they are just asking for a wall to come in and neutralize them. As you said, you need to "always assume anything can happen". What happens if your walls fall and all you have left are straight up attackers? You lose.

Also, Sceptile doesn't need Dragon Claw to beat Salamence. After Mence gets seeded, all Sceppy needs to do is Sub every turn, and just wait for Mence to either faint or get switched out, which in turn allows Sub to stick, and Sceppy can then Seed whatever the next Poke that comes out is. Also a good Salamence will be Adamant (+Atk, -SAtk), either DD or CB, with Fire Blast to take on Steel-types. A special Salamence isn't as effective, especially when you consider its base Atk is 135 and its SAtk is 110. Even if you do use a +Spd and max Spd EVs, it doesn't matter since any good Sceptile will be Timid (+Spd, -Atk), making it still faster than Salamence.
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ok i updated....new pokemon/moves in bold

Delcatty Lv39
ThunderBolt
Ice Beam
Heal Bell

Faint Attack

Sceptile Lv38
Leaf Blade
Agility
Screech
Pursuit

Camerupt Lv37
Earthquake
Flamethrower
Rock Slide
Take Down


Swalot Lv36
Sludge
Giga Drain
Shock Wave
Body Slam

Swellow Lv35
Wing Attack
Endeavor
Quick Attack
Aerial Ace


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