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Yeah, because on alot of pokemon attacks that are their type aren't ver effective.
And he copies their attacks so uless he has a lv. advantage he'd faint.
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Yeah, because on alot of pokemon attacks that are their type aren't ver effective.
And he copies their attacks so uless he has a lv. advantage he'd faint.
i don't really find that a weakness, they would lose most of thier effectiveness after the transformation...
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I think Azumarrill is very underused. It has some good defense, and with Huge Attack, it's attack is doubled. I used it alot in the Battle Frontier until I erased my game.
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I think Azumarrill is very underused. It has some good defense, and with Huge Attack, it's attack is doubled. I used it alot in the Battle Frontier until I erased my game.
well, so thats what it can have as an ability... hmm.....
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this thread is..odd.It'd seem that ur asking us for UU/BL pokemon, which really is a grand waste of time.You might as well just go to smogon and read their tier list.
One thing though, any discussion on under used or underrrated pokemon begs the question-
What exactly are your criteria for a pokemon to be UU/underrated?
usage or power or both?

Clarify that, and then i guess this thread may go somewhere.
Btw marowak = OU/BL.
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this thread is..odd.It'd seem that ur asking us for UU/BL pokemon, which really is a grand waste of time.You might as well just go to smogon and read their tier list.
One thing though, any discussion on under used or underrrated pokemon begs the question-
What exactly are your criteria for a pokemon to be UU/underrated?
usage or power or both?

Clarify that, and then i guess this thread may go somewhere.
Btw marowak = OU/BL.
hehehe... yeah, i thought i said it straight forward.... guess i was wrong... i want to know which pokemon is commonly NOT used in teams, i want ideas for possible pokemon for a new list...
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Well, actually, it is quite common for Pokes of a certain type to have a move that covers its weakness(es). An example of which is that dark Poke you mentioned. Though not always the case, battlers will have a move that hurts its weak-type, making it all the more versatile.

Example... The ever-popular OU Dugtrio. HP [Bug] will most likely be in its moveset since it works well against grass-types that it is weak against. Also, since Duggy is popular for going against OU Celebi who has a double-weak to Bug-type attacks.

Sacrificing STAB for versatility. It's a tactic that a lot of people will resort to for surprising and sneaky damage-doing. So it's not as unexpected as you might think.

Here's a fun example:

Slowking
- Earthquake (against electric)
- Fire Blast (against grass)
- Brick Break (against dark)
- Psychic / Surf (STAB, obviously.)

Refrain from using Ground- and Fighting-type moves in a single moveset as they are strong against similiar types (excluding Dark and Electric), but this is just an example, so it's okay.
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Well, actually, it is quite common for Pokes of a certain type to have a move that covers its weakness(es). An example of which is that dark Poke you mentioned. Though not always the case, battlers will have a move that hurts its weak-type, making it all the more versatile.

Example... The ever-popular OU Dugtrio. HP [Bug] will most likely be in its moveset since it works well against grass-types that it is weak against. Also, since Duggy is popular for going against OU Celebi who has a double-weak to Bug-type attacks.

Sacrificing STAB for versatility. It's a tactic that a lot of people will resort to for surprising and sneaky damage-doing. So it's not as unexpected as you might think.

Here's a fun example:

Slowking
- Earthquake (against electric)
- Fire Blast (against grass)
- Brick Break (against dark)
- Psychic / Surf (STAB, obviously.)

Refrain from using Ground- and Fighting-type moves in a single moveset as they are strong against similiar types (excluding Dark and Electric), but this is just an example, so it's okay.
That example sucks, actually. A STAB Surf from Slowking will do practically the same amount of damage against both Dark and Electric type pokes as an EQ or Brick Break will. Meanwhile you're splitting up attacks between physical and special (Thus causing a nasty division in EVs which isn't good for you) and completely neglecting Slowking's potential as a wall. Calm Mind, Thunder Wave, and Rest are all better options here than EQ and Brick Break. Also, Ice Beam is far more useful as a Grass type counter, and it handles dragon and flying types to boot. :O Fire attacks are there to counter steel.

Also, psychic attacks on non-psychic pokémon practically never pay off. All the Dark pokes that can learn psychic attacks (That would basically be Umbreon, Murkrow, Shiftry, and Absol) have no use for them as three (Umbreon, Absol, and Murkrow) lack the SAtk to make use of special moves and the last one, Shiftry, either goes sunnybeaming (In which case STAB Solarbeam and sunshine-boosted Hidden Power [Fire] are far more useful attacks, dealing nearly as much damage to psychic weaks and much more to all the types that Psychic can't touch) or goes with a mixed arsenal (In which moves like Explosion and Shadow Ball are far more valuable). Super effective doesn't automatically mean that it's a good idea, you know. -.-
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I saw that you mentioned how often certain pokemon were used again. I really must stress that there is flaw in this, as you really can't tell how often a pokemon is really used. You'd have to take a huge world-wide poll to actually determine that, since you only battle a handful of people at a time. And what purpose would a tier serve to "throw off and opponent's strategy?" Making Alakazam UU because you might not see it used too often would throw off anyone's Strategy in the UU metagame, but in the end you'll just have people wanting it banned from that metagame. The same thing happened to Houndoom which is why it was moved up tp the Borderline tier, since barely iny pokemon could switch safely into it.
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I saw that you mentioned how often certain pokemon were used again. I really must stress that there is flaw in this, as you really can't tell how often a pokemon is really used. You'd have to take a huge world-wide poll to actually determine that, since you only battle a handful of people at a time. And what purpose would a tier serve to "throw off and opponent's strategy?" Making Alakazam UU because you might not see it used too often would throw off anyone's Strategy in the UU metagame, but in the end you'll just have people wanting it banned from that metagame. The same thing happened to Houndoom which is why it was moved up tp the Borderline tier, since barely iny pokemon could switch safely into it.
So what you're saying is that this conversation is pointless to continue.

And nightlight, Slowbro sucks.
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So what you're saying is that this conversation is pointless to continue.

And nightlight, Slowbro sucks.
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A pokémon with a base HP of 90, a base Defense of 110, a base SAtk of 100, and decent SDef which also has access to two STAB special moves and Calm Mind does most certainly not suck. There's a reason why Slowbro is considered a BL pokémon. With the right EVs and a few CMs under its belt it can wall virtually anything (CBed Bug attacks are a possible exception) and dish out large amounts of damage to boot. If you had ever faced a proper UU team with Slowbro on it you'd know better than to call it weak. But of course, you didn't know about Marowak's power either, so I assume that you haven't had a competitive battle in your life.
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Yes, and I assume you spend all day just walking around asking people to battle you with a UU team
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Yes, and I assume you spend all day just walking around asking people to battle you with a UU team
No I don't, actually. Now could you please stop making irrelevant remarks every time you're proven wrong? -.-
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hehe... another point for this list i should have mentioned.... this is a list for my GBA game, not for on the netbattler...
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Congratulations peabobo! You have failed to make one good suggestion
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I should think that that would be obvious. Anyways, Slowbro is a borderline (Somewhere between OU and UU) so wherever you put it on your list is up to your judgement. It's a bit on the weak side around pokes like Salamence or Tyranitar, but meh...it can work there too, I guess.
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.......... oh yay... my topic became an argument.... OI VEY
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.......... oh yay... my topic became an argument.... OI VEY
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thanks Alter, i appreciate that.

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hehe... another point for this list i should have mentioned.... this is a list for my GBA game, not for on the netbattler...
I can't see how that would serve you. Is this for a purpose among your friends, or strictly your personal game file?
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I can't see how that would serve you. Is this for a purpose among your friends, or strictly your personal game file?
well it's for a battle between friends, and an un-offical tournament my friend is hosting... but if this list works, i will imitiate it on net battler... but it starts on the GBA... and also should have mentioned as well, the lvl limit is lvl 50s
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It'd most likely get shunned on NetBattle, and I can see much trolling and spamming if you decide to do that, but do what you do. As far as these tiers, I don't think we'd be able to help you too much if its based on what you and your friends use.
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