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Old January 7th, 2007 (4:17 AM).
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OK, I'm turning over a new leaf so I'm new to this proper construction of teams thing, and I don't know much like what's the best moves for a Pokemon, or what's a good team, or even how many EV's a Pokemon can get in total. I want to use these Pokemon:

Suicune @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
EV's: 252 HP, 150 SPD, 102 DEF
- Surf
- Calm Mind
- Ice Beam
- Substitute

Snorlax @ Chesto Berry
Adament Nature
EV's: 252 HP, 252 SP DEF
- Rest
- Body Slam
- Shadow Ball
- Belly Drum

Ninetales @ Leftovers
Calm Nature
EV's: 252 DEF, 129 HP, 123 SP DEF
- Flamethrower
- Confuse Ray
- Fire Spin
- Toxic

Rayquaza @ Salac Berry
Timid Nature
EV's: 252 SPD, 252 SP ATTACK
- Dragon Claw
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

Typhlosion @ Petaya Berry
Timid Nature
EV's: 252 SP ATK, 252 SPD
- Sunny Day
- Flamethrower
- Earthquake
- Thunderpunch

Ludicolo (with Rain Dish) @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
EV's: 252 HP, 126 DEF, 126 SP DEF
- Rain Dance
- Toxic
- Dive
- Leech Seed

Here's the situation: My opponent and I have come up with the rule of no switching out Pokemon until its KO'd. My opponent is pretty much like me; clueless to EV's, Tanks, Sweepers and such. She only uses Pokemon with a moveset full of attacking moves (you won't see CM, Toxic, Spikes and such on her team, only Thunder, Fire Blast, Blizzard and the like).

I know that some of these Pokemon aren't the best to work with, but this is the team I want to use. So please, I beg you, post suggestions for movesets, but please not alternative line up.

That's pretty much it. It isn't really about beating her, its more about teaching myself about the proper training of Pokemon. I've tried using Pokemon with support moves, but without the proper movesets and EV's I keep getting my butt kicked. So please, guys, educate me!
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Old January 7th, 2007 (4:53 AM). Edited January 8th, 2007 by Alter Ego.
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Here's the situation: My opponent and I have come up with the rule of no switching out Pokemon until its KO'd. My opponent is pretty much like me; clueless to EV's, Tanks, Sweepers and such. She only uses Pokemon with a moveset full of attacking moves (you won't see CM, Toxic, Spikes and such on her team, only Thunder, Fire Blast, Blizzard and the like).

I know that some of these Pokemon aren't the best to work with, but this is the team I want to use. So please, I beg you, post suggestions for movesets, but please not alternative line up.

That's pretty much it. It isn't really about beating her, its more about teaching myself about the proper training of Pokemon. I've tried using Pokemon with support moves, but without the proper movesets and EV's I keep getting my butt kicked. So please, guys, educate me!
A no switch rule is just...silly, really, as it promotes unstrategic play and use of brute force. But if that's the case then I guess buffing sweeper types are what's called for. Also, the maximum amount of EVs you can distribute is 510, 4 EVs = 1 stat point, so the maximum amount of beneficial EV points is 508. As for the team....

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OK, I'm turning over a new leaf so I'm new to this proper construction of teams thing, and I don't know much like what's the best moves for a Pokemon, or what's a good team, or even how many EV's a Pokemon can get in total. I want to use these Pokemon:

Suicune @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
EV's: 252 HP, 120 Def, 136 SDef
- Surf
- Calm Mind
- Ice Beam
- Substitute Rest

If you can't switch then Calmcune without Rest is dead meat. This one also seems to have a bit too much Speed. Dunno' what the correct spread is since it's been so long since I last used Cune, but considering your opponent you'll want to pool the EVs into HP and Defense primarily, with some in SDef. That way (Thanks to Cune's high defenses) it should be quite easy to sit there for six CMs and then just bust up everything that gets in your way. Since your opponent is into low-PP moves it will play perfectly to your advantage as they'll soon run out of PP (Courtesy of Pressure) and thus be left struggling since the pokémon isn't allowed to switch.

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Impish Nature
Trait: Thick Fat
EV's: 240 HP / 152 Atk / 116 Def
- Rest
- Body Slam Double-Edge
- Shadow Ball
- Belly Drum Sleep Talk

Bow to Stalklax. With STAB Double-Edge it can cause major damage and thanks to Sleep Talk it can continue to do so even while it's resting off damage. Thick Fat is essential here since it helps you take Fire and Ice hits. ^^ I'd suggest Curselax, really, but I don't have the EVs for that. :O

Ninetales @ Leftovers
Timid Nature
EV's: 68 HP / 56 Def / 200 Spd / 88 SAtk / 96 SDef
- Flamethrower
- Confuse Ray
- Fire Spin Grudge
- Toxic Will-O-Wisp

And here we have the undisputable weak link. Seriously, this thing is a burden even on most UU teams and it will certainly not help here. *Sigh* At least put Grudge on it so it can un-PP your opponent off a crucial move which you can then exploit by sending in a pokémon that can actually do something. :O The EVs I don't have a clue of. Sorry.

Rayquaza @ Leftovers
Adamant Nature
EV's: 196 HP/ 252 Atk / 16 Def / 44 Spd
- Dragon Claw Hidden Power [Flying]
- Flamethrower Earthquake
- Ice Beam Rock Slide
- Thunderbolt Dragon Dance

First you go OU, then you throw in a random UU Ninetales and now you take an Uber? Urgh, learn about the metagames, please, both you and your friend. .___. Anyways, a wimpy Spec. Rayquaza isn't really that cool and a Salac on this thing (especially with max speed) is utterly redundant. Just go with a DD set, send it in against something that doesn't have any Ice attack and then DD up and sweep everything out of your way. The EVs are mostly guesswork, btw, but in a battle like this they should suffice. With DD you won't need that much speed.


Typhlosion @ Petaya Berry
Timid Nature
EV's: 32 HP / 252 Spd / 224 SAtk
- Sunny Day Substitute
- Flamethrower
- Earthquake Hidden Power [Grass]
- Thunderpunch

Wtf is Earthquake doing there and what did you expect to pull off with Sunny Day? If it's a Petaya sweep you want then take one. Substitute to drop your HP down to Petaya and Blaze activation in a controlled manner (Shouldn't be a problem since your opponent is going all out) then try to sweep. Just make sure to send it in again a poke that slower than Typhlosion, otherwise you're probably screwed.

Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Trait: Swift Swim
Modest Nature
EV's: 140 HP / 100 Spd / 252 SAtk / 16 SDef
- Rain Dance
- Toxic Ice Beam
- Dive Surf
- Leech Seed Hidden Power [Grass]

Again, improvised EV spread, but in rain it should be able to outspeed the most and deal a nifty blow with STAB moves. I probably messed up the EVs, but such is life.
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Old January 8th, 2007 (9:46 AM).
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General Cune speed EVs range from about 24-32, though I personally use 40-56.
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Old January 8th, 2007 (5:39 PM).
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Or you could be cool like me and either not use any or use 60.

Anyway, Rain Dance Ludicolo is a bad option for a team that is employing two fire-types, since you're essentially rendering them useless. Substitute CalmCune can work, and has worked, but Rest is definitely preferable. Only Mewnublet is ever going to be cool enough to use Belly Drum Lax on a serious OU team, and don't you forget it. Alter Ego fails for saying Ninetails is a burden on most UU teams, it's actually a boon and can do a lot of things on a well made team, but, unfortunately, it's not worth much if anything in OU except maybe for Grudging. Get Rayquaza off of your team and replace it with a CBMence, HP Flying/Earthquake/Rock Slide/Fire Blast - 252 Atk/252 Spd/6 HP - Adamant - and that will make your team able to be used in standard play.

Overall, on the special side of the field, this team should actually have few problems, since everything is covered. You'll need to find yourself some sort of normal resist, such as Skarmory/Forretress/Steelix/etc., however.
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Old January 8th, 2007 (6:50 PM). Edited January 9th, 2007 by Mullet.
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Man MNL is definitly not as cool as me.

Edit: This is my 4,000th post! I am the best.
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Old January 8th, 2007 (10:48 PM).
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Man MNL is definitly not as cool as me.
First I'd like to congratulate you on having 4,000 post at the time I'm seeing this ^___^.

Second of all, I'm sorry, but MNL is...cooler than you. :(
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Second of all, I'm sorry, but MNL is...cooler than you. :(
Yeah MNL is a cool guy but I am cooler and more amazing. I mean every morning when I wake up I gasp in amazment at how ****ing amazing I am!
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Yes, you may be a cool person irl, but MNL is like, hi, i win internets.
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Honestly MNL isn't even that cool. ._.
 

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