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Old January 19th, 2007 (10:59 PM).
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Cloyster (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Shell Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 56 Def / 200 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Spikes
- Surf

Steelix (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Atk / 16 Def / 4 Spd / 136 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Roar
- Rock Slide

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 48 HP / 240 Spd / 220 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Rest
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt

Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP / 252 Def / 68 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Haze
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Wish

Snorlax (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 100 HP / 136 Atk / 136 Def / 136 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rest
- Return
- Sleep Talk

Blaziken (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 216 Atk / 192 Spd / 100 SAtk
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Fire Blast
- Rock Slide
- Sky Uppercut
- Swords Dance
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Old January 20th, 2007 (5:46 AM).
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Cloyster (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Shell Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 56 Def / 200 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Spikes
- Surf
More Defense EV's because it's not like Cloyster is going to survive any Special Attacks anyways. I mean, really, it gets 3HKO'ed by Surf, and it's a Water Pokemon. I like Explosion on my Cloyster, but it's preference.

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Steelix (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Atk / 16 Def / 4 Spd / 136 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Roar
- Rock Slide
Just throw those 4 Speed EV's into Defense. Also, take some of the SDef and put those in Defense also because it's after all meant to be a Wall.

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Zapdos @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 48 HP / 240 Spd / 220 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Rest
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt
Zapdos with Rest and no Sleep Talk is a little bit random. This is the standard Zapdos Moveset, so I would just throw Substitute over Rest unless you want to use Sleep Talk over Thunder Wave.

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Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP / 252 Def / 68 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Haze
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Wish
So I heard you have BoltBeam weak? I don't like Haze on Vaporeon, so I would go with like, Baton Pass or something.

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Snorlax (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 100 HP / 136 Atk / 136 Def / 136 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rest
- Return
- Sleep Talk
ITS GOOOOOD

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Blaziken (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 216 Atk / 192 Spd / 100 SAtk
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Fire Blast
- Rock Slide
- Sky Uppercut
- Swords Dance
Use CB Blaziken for everlasting justice.
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Old January 20th, 2007 (7:49 AM).
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The point of SDef EVs on Cloyster is that things that were 1-2HKOs on the special side are now 2-3HKOs, which makes a huge difference in the time it takes to get spikes down. Even things like Celebi Psychic is now a 3HKO without a CM down, which gives Cloyster a bit more time to Explode if it has it. The difference between damage from having about 60 Def EVs to around 180 EVs (iirc) is about 3-6% from most neutral attacks anyway.
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Old January 20th, 2007 (8:43 AM).
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Just throw those 4 Speed EV's into Defense. Also, take some of the SDef and put those in Defense also because it's after all meant to be a Wall.
There is something called a special wall. I think you mean "after all it's ment to be a physcial wall.
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Old January 20th, 2007 (7:42 PM).
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I'm going to keep Cloyster and Steelix the way they are.
I'm considering using Salamence over Zapdos.
Why CB Blaziken?

And is my team weak to anything? It doesn't look like it, but unlike my previous teams, this new team keeps getting owned.
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Old January 20th, 2007 (9:48 PM).
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CB Blaziken just hits things harder since it's not going to be staying in much.

Heracross lols at this team. Your two physical walls are both weak to Fighting, Zapdos gets 2KOed by Megahorn since it has like no defense, and Blaziken can't outrun it without +Spd.

Salamence can give you some defense against its STAB moves, but CBCross is keen on predicting with Rock Slide as well.


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Old January 20th, 2007 (11:58 PM).
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What does counter Heracross though? Everything seems to take too much damage from it.
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Old January 21st, 2007 (12:23 AM).
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Weezing does a mighty fine job. Dusclops kinda (can protect your Spikes too).

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Old January 21st, 2007 (6:53 AM).
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Imo lead with zappy, since most people lead with it aswell and forces you to switch out first turn. (unless you like that.)
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Old January 21st, 2007 (8:59 AM).
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I didn't even notice the Cloyster lead. xd

Lead with Zappy. Even Lax can make a decent lead causing most most Zappy leads too switch out.

CB Mence has FUN with this team.
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Old January 21st, 2007 (9:37 AM).
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I should mention a note about Defensive EVs in my guide?
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Old January 21st, 2007 (9:45 AM).
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Another important piece of info to know about HP EVs is how they relate to your walls and tanks. Health accounts for most of your defenses, so the more HP you have, less you need to put into your Defense EVs, and the better your pokemon can tank or wall. Skarmory is a prime example. At first, a standard EV spread included 196 HP EVs for a max lefties point, putting the rest in Defense, Attack, and Speed. CBed Fighting types started to hurt it more until a solution was found to give Skamory 252 HP EVs, and easily walls physical attacks better than it could before. Some walls, however, require max HP just becase their base HP stat is pitiful, like Cloyster or Dusclops.
That one?

Well actually that was my post but you made that particular guide xd.
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Old January 21st, 2007 (4:09 PM).
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Nah, something about SDef on Cloyster.
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