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Old February 14th, 2007 (2:49 AM).
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Oooooo-kay. I'm working on a Sapphire-only range team (again). I've come across a bit of a conundrum. Should I use Rhydon or Camerupt?


Rhydon @ Leftovers
Trait: Rock Head
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Double Edge
- Swords Dance

Laughs at nearly anything one I get enough SDs in.

or


Camerupt @ Leftovers
Trait: Magma Armor
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Amnesia
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Flamethrower

Surf doesn't hurt so much once you forget you're double weak to it. Pun intended.



And with that, here's the rest of my team.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Recover

The generic Specsweeper Starmie.


Salamence @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Crunch
- Hydro Pump
- Flamethrower / Fire Blast
- Dragon Claw

The generic Elemence.


Girafarig @ Leftovers
Trait: Early Bird
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Agility
- Baton Pass
- Amnesia
- Psychic

Either Camerupt or Rhydon could benefit from this. Not bad, if I do say so myself.


Xatu @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Wish
- Calm Mind
- Reflect
- Future Sight

Initially a Wishmaker. BUT!! Nobody ever expects Future Sight... It's a bit of a surprise once my enemies forget I even used it 2 turns ago. During those 2 turns, I can get a Wish and Calm Mind. And since nothing resists Futire Sight (except Shedinja and Protect/Detect users), it turns Xatu into a pseudo-mixedsweeper. Reflect turns Rock Slides and Shadow Balls into 3HKOs; also helps when I need to switch back to Girafarig for buffpassing.


Vileplume @ Leftovers
Trait: Chlorophyll
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Sunny Day
- Solarbeam
- Sleep Powder

Little sleepy fun. Cleric.



Once again, I feel absolutely no logical creativity in this team. The Xatu is unique, I know, but that doesn't make it cool (yet). I haven't tested this team yet, obviously, otherwise I woudn't ask for an RMT. Also, provide EVs so I can properly EV train on my cart.

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Old February 14th, 2007 (3:48 AM). Edited February 14th, 2007 by Alter Ego.
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Oooooo-kay. I'm working on a Sapphire-only range team (again). I've come across a bit of a conundrum. Should I use Rhydon or Camerupt?


Rhydon @ Leftovers
Trait: Rock Head
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Double Edge/Megahorn/Substitute
- Swords Dance

Laughs at nearly anything one I get enough SDs in.

Anything fast with Surf laughs at a subless Rhydon, regardless of how many SDs you've gotten in.


or


Camerupt @ Choice Band
Trait: Magma Armor
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Amnesia Explosion/Double-Edge
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Flamethrower/Fire Blast

Surf doesn't hurt so much once you forget you're double weak to it. Pun intended.

Amnesia on a Naughty Camerupt? I'm almost afraid to ask but...do you honestly expect to be able to Amnesia to the max with Camerupt in any given situation to actually make use of that move? And even if you do, how do you plan to keep Camerupt alive? Lefties? CB edition, please. xP Anyway, you might as well go Brave with this since it's not like Camerupt is big on outspeeding stuff.

And with that, here's the rest of my team.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Recover

The generic Specsweeper Starmie.

No it's not. Starmie wants maximal Speed so Timid, please. Also, Reflect over one of the damaging moves is cooler imo, since it laughs at Swampert, but oh well...

Salamence @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Crunch
- Hydro Pump
- Flamethrower / Fire Blast
- Dragon Claw

The generic Elemence.

I know, sad, isn't it? Really, just say no to Elemence, it just plain sucks even if it's EV trained (I should know, I tried it xP). Besides, you've got Starmie as a spec. sweeper. Please just go with a physical set.

Girafarig @ Leftovers
Trait: Early Bird
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Agility
- Baton Pass
- Amnesia Substitute
- Psychic

Either Camerupt or Rhydon could benefit from this. Not bad, if I do say so myself.

Amnesia is just plain silly since the chances of Girafarig sitting in for more than one buff-up are very slim. Besides, Sub will do Rhydon and Camerupt a lot more good than Amnesia.

Xatu @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Wish
- Calm Mind/Protect/Thunder Wave
- Reflect
- Future Sight Drill Peck/Psychic

Initially a Wishmaker. BUT!! Nobody ever expects Future Sight... It's a bit of a surprise once my enemies forget I even used it 2 turns ago. During those 2 turns, I can get a Wish and Calm Mind. And since nothing resists Futire Sight (except Shedinja and Protect/Detect users), it turns Xatu into a pseudo-mixedsweeper. Reflect turns Rock Slides and Shadow Balls into 3HKOs; also helps when I need to switch back to Girafarig for buffpassing.

Hey, why don't you give it Psybeam? I bet no-one expects that! And guess what? There's a reason for why they don't. It's because Psybeam - much like Future Sight - sucks. Seriously, Future Sight is just pointless. It's late damage and doesn't even hit all of the time. Also, no resistance isn't much fun when it translates to no super effective hits as well, and the notion of Xatu sweeping with an attack that takes two turns to hit is just plain ridiculous. Psychic, please, unles you've got Sheddy or Hera problems in which case Drill Peck is the way to go. By the way, Future Sight does hit sheddy.

Vileplume @ Leftovers
Trait: Chlorophyll
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Aromatherapy
- Sunny Day Synthesis/Moonlight
- Solarbeam Sludge Bomb
- Sleep Powder/Stun Spore

Little sleepy fun. Cleric.

Now I've seen it all...a Sunnybeam Cleric, and you didn't even put Synthesis on it. -.- Seriously, a pokémon can't effectively sweep and play cleric at the same time (Unless we're talking Granbull or some of the special CB builds) so please just pick one role and stick to it.

Once again, I feel absolutely no logical creativity in this team. The Xatu is unique, I know, but that doesn't make it cool (yet). I haven't tested this team yet, obviously, otherwise I woudn't ask for an RMT. Also, provide EVs so I can properly EV train on my cart.

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This team is going to fail majorly because you have no physical wall or bulky water. You also lose coolness points for using two OUs in what could have become an UU ingame team. I'd say drop the sucky elemence for something tough like Donphan or Swampert, because you seriously have nothing to keep your average CB sweeper from ripping through your whole team (Need I mention what havoc Aerodactyl wreaks here?). Of your two options I'd say Rhydon, definitely, because this team needs physical resistances like living things need water. Oh, and Sheddy loves pairing up with Agilisubpass Girafarig. You could try:

Shedinja @ Lum Berry
Trait: Wonderguard
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 SAtk or whatever
Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)
Shadow Ball
Silver Wind
Aerial Ace
Swords Dance

Seriously, with full Atk, a substitute for protection, an agilipass - and sometimes even an SD if your opponent is clueless enough - this thing rips through stuff.
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Rhydon is a lot better than Camerupt, but Camerupt is so much cooler so I would go with him.
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Interesting bit on the Future Sight thing. But I was able to sweep a team using a Celebi with Future Sight, Calm Mind, Recover, and Leech Seed. Though I guess I have Recover to thank for that. And it's still great to do some nice damage to newly switched-in Pokes. After which, I switch to something more useful if they don't fall after a fully buffed Future Sight hit. I kinda wanna see how this works under certain restrictions. But hey, if this doesn't work, I'll just put in something else. Something that is also UU such as....

Wailord @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Veil
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Amnesia
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake

Torkoal @ Leftovers
Trait: White Smoke
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Curse
- Amnesia
- Heat Wave
- Body Slam

stuff... Blah..

I can't believe I didn't think of this before.


Salamence... I'm sick of this... @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
Adamant/Timid (+Atk/Spd, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace (TM.... T-T)
- Earthquake (Another TM.... T-T)
- Rock Tomb (Yet another TM.... T-T || No Rock Slide in Sapph.)
- Return (Another TM still.... [sigh] T-T)

This is one of the reasons why I went for the Elemence set instead. I seriously hate using up my limited TMs ingame.
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Old February 14th, 2007 (6:58 AM). Edited February 14th, 2007 by Alter Ego.
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Interesting bit on the Future Sight thing. But I was able to sweep a team using a Celebi with Future Sight, Calm Mind, Recover, and Leech Seed. Though I guess I have Recover to thank for that.
A few words of advice: don't start the 'I was able to' game with me. I was able to sweep three pokémon with a CB Shuckle, that does not, however, mean that using a CB Shuckle is a good idea. xP Seriously, the only way you can beat someone with a Future Sight Celebi is if your opponent is a clueless N00B. <.< Incidentally, it's still not sweeping if you have to wait two turns for your attack to hit. Really, just say 'no' to Future Sight.
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And it's still great to do some nice damage to newly switched-in Pokes. After which, I switch to something more useful if they don't fall after a fully buffed Future Sight hit. I kinda wanna see how this works under certain restrictions. But hey, if this doesn't work, I'll just put in something else. Something that is also UU such as....

Wailord @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Veil
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Amnesia Rest
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake Toxic

Okay...what's with your Amnesia perversion? Seriously, it's usually not a good idea at all, especially when you never couple it with an HP recovery move.

Torkoal @ Leftovers
Trait: White Smoke
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Curse
- Amnesia Rest/Explosion
- Heat Wave Flamethrower/Fire Blast
- Body Slam Sludge Bomb/Rock Slide

stuff... Blah..

Again with the Amnesia perversion. I'm telling you, the moment you come across a halfway competent opponent it simply won't work. Torkoal needs either HP recovery through Rest or to go boom when it's done attacking.


I can't believe I didn't think of this before.


Salamence... I'm sick of this... @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
Adamant/Timid (+Atk/Spd, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace (TM.... T-T)
- Earthquake (Another TM.... T-T)
- Rock Tomb (Yet another TM.... T-T || No Rock Slide in Sapph.) Dragon Dance
- Return (Another TM still.... [sigh] T-T) Fire Blast/Double-Edge

Before you even consider stuff like Rock Tomb, don't forget about useful moves like DD. Altaria is a suitable breeder for it, so you have no excuse not to get it and Double-Edge is a level up move . Both changes save you TMs and make your mence better. xP

This is one of the reasons why I went for the Elemence set instead. I seriously hate using up my limited TMs ingame.
General point: For nine out of ten pokes capable of learning the move, Amnesia is a bad idea. It also won't cover up a weak SDef for the simple reason that you won't be able to get enough Amnesias in before your poke is KOed. Really, boosting your defenses is no good if you can't get back your HP, and even then it's pretty pointless since real opponents will just haze or phaze it away. xP
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Well, both are double weak against Water, but Camerupt is less weaker than Rhydon against Leaf attacks.
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I find the above post slightly hilarious.

If you're worried about using up Aerial Ace and Earthquake, you should use someone's Emerald version to use the duplication trick.

Yes, there is a duplication trick in Emerald.
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Uhh, yeah... Okay. Sad Wailord... Okay, will work some more on this team. Thanks, dudes.
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Rhydon @ Leftovers
Trait: Rock Head
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Double Edge
- Swords Dance
it is better to use substitute+focus punch/ megahorn instead of double edge and swords dance



Camerupt @ Leftovers
Trait: Magma Armor
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- AmnesiaExplosion
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Flamethroweroverheat

Surf doesn't hurt so much once you forget you're double weak to it. Pun intended.



And with that, here's the rest of my team.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
Modest Nature (+speed, -Atk)
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Recover/rapid spin


Salamence @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- CrunchHP grass is better
- Hydro Pump
- Flamethrower / Fire Blast
- Dragon Claw


Girafarig @ Leftovers
Trait: Early Bird
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Agility
- Baton Pass
- Amnesia
- Psychic

good


Xatu @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Wish
- Calm Mind protect
- Reflecttoixc
- Future SightHaze/physic

i am wondering why do you put calm mind since he canot attack??



Vileplume @ Leftovers
Trait: Chlorophyll
Calm Nature (+SDefdef, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Sunny Dayleech seed
- Solarbeamsludge bomb
- Sleep Powder

sunny day will benefit your fire-type enemy more than your gain,
try to not sunny day on Vileplume
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Killer Doll, you obviously didn't read the first post thoroughly. This is INGAME... SAPPHIRE ONLY. Therefore, I can't teach Substitute to Rhydon, I can't teach Explosion to Camerupt, teaching HP Grass to Elemence is almost impossible, I can't teach Sludge Bomb to Vileplume.

Also, Rapid Spin on a Special Sweeper Starmie is super lol because It's not tankish. And I put Calm Mind on Xatu because it boosts the damage that Future Sight does (not that it matters now anyway. I'm going to change the set).
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