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Old February 22nd, 2007 (7:05 AM).
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Armaldo (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Battle Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Knock Off
- Rock Blast
- Swords Dance

Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Spd / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Leech Seed
- Psychic
- Toxic

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 6 Spd / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Protect
- Psychic
- Toxic
- Wish

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 186 HP / 252 Def / 72 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Roar
- Surf

Gengar (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Mean Look
- Perish Song
- Protect
- Taunt

Forretress (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Reflect
- Spikes

i guess, this team relies too much on Suicune to against a fire type pokemon
i am considering to withdraw Armaldo to another pokemon
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Old February 23rd, 2007 (12:23 AM).
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You aren't making the best use of a Pokemon's abilities.

ToxicStalling is a waste on Jirachi. It has so many better things to do. Reflect support, Calm Mind, Sub, etc. Anything but Toxic.

Celebi also wants Bold with Recover > Toxic if you are thinking of using it as a cleric.

PerishTrapping Gengar is a waste. Ice Punch/Tbolt/Hypnosis/WoW or Explosion.

Counter/Light Screen/HP Bug over Reflect on Forry.

Nothing here can really stop a Raikou from sweeping, Heracross screws your team over, and your team also lacks any sort of fast physical sweeper.

Replace Armaldo with Snorlax or Psych Up Regice and replace Jirachi with Salamence.

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Old February 23rd, 2007 (6:06 AM).
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You aren't making the best use of a Pokemon's abilities.

ToxicStalling is a waste on Jirachi. It has so many better things to do. Reflect support, Calm Mind, Sub, etc. Anything but Toxic.

Celebi also wants Bold with Recover > Toxic if you are thinking of using it as a cleric.

PerishTrapping Gengar is a waste. Ice Punch/Tbolt/Hypnosis/WoW or Explosion.

Counter/Light Screen/HP Bug over Reflect on Forry.

Nothing here can really stop a Raikou from sweeping, Heracross screws your team over, and your team also lacks any sort of fast physical sweeper.

Replace Armaldo with Snorlax or Psych Up Regice and replace Jirachi with Salamence.

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lol actually, my team is not as bad as your saying
i used the team on the smogon server on netbattle and i got 53 wins 0 lose and 1 tie(pm me if you want to check or fight, my user name is Killer Doll, too)
the main fuction of jirachi is to use wish to befenift other pokemons. he uses protect that himself will not die easily. toxic is just to force my opponent to switch and damaged by spikes
celebi does not need recover since i have leech seed. if i am really lack of hp, i'll send out jirachi and use wish
the only weakness of my team is blissey. so i uses a perish song/tuant gengar to trap blissey and physical wall. antoher fuction of genar is to against pokemons who can learn rapid spin
if raikou have calm mind and substitute, he will lack of skill, either celebi or jirachi can against him(cuz i am good at prediction). if he don't. i'll use leech seed stratightly
Heracross: there are two types of heracross: CB one or reversal one
reversal heracross is not a problem at all, spike could may subtitute with reversal harmless and i never let my opponent endure successfully.
CB heracross will either use magahorn or brick break, neither of them could deadly damage my Forretress, then i'll use reflect and switch suicune

thank you for you advice
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Old February 23rd, 2007 (6:13 AM).
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Old February 23rd, 2007 (11:55 AM).
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One ironic thing is that you're clausing Tyranitar. For what reason? That your team is completely fragile against it? For ****s sake, you have 1, if not 2, possible counters. Also, you have 3 ****ing legends, so who are you to clause anything?

Secondly, how do we know that you didn't sign on another name, challenged yourself and forfeited 58 times and made up 1 draw just so you could con us to believe you?

But those comments are not the point of this topic. Your team is.

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Armaldo (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Battle Armor
EVs: 248 HP / 46 Atk / 216 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Knock Off
- Rock Slide
- Protect
No point in Swords Dance if you're using Armaldo as a Tank. On a side note, Donphan does better. Either that, or use Heracross if you're sweeping.

Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 100 Def / 136 Spd / 32 Sp. Def
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Recover
- Psychic
- Hidden Power (Grass)
WAY too much Sp. Def. I know my Cel's EVs suck, but man, you'll just have to stick with that until someone more Celebi-Keen comes along.

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 136 Spd / 16 SAtk / 80 SDef
Bold Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Thunder
- Psychic
- Substitute
- Wish
For the 2nd time, TOO much Sp. Def. Also, learn to make use of your Pokemon's Abilities.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 240 HP / 216 Def / 54 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Roar
- Surf
Only enough Defense EVs to raise the stat by 2 points the final time is good. More HP.

Gengar (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Mean Look
- Perish Song
- Protect
- Taunt
Completely stupid if you ask me.

Forretress (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Light Screen
- Spikes
Light Screen to Keep Sp. Attackers at bay.
No idea what you're thinking, but Neither Jir or Cel have any kind of potential at being Special Tanks. You only need 1 Physical Tank therefore Armaldo is useless. Zapdos, and need I mention, Heracross, will walk all over your team, as well as Tyranitar (but you know that already, you're the one clausing it)

And don't clause what you can't counter. Either find a counter or ****ing deal with it. Nobody's going to care if you're clausing anything.
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Old February 23rd, 2007 (12:05 PM).
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challenge myself? i never thought of that bored stuff

hmm seems like you didn't understand my team, either

challenge me if you wanna check how strong i am
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Old February 23rd, 2007 (12:51 PM).
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btw, you know what
from your speech, i can see that you lack too much of real battle experience
1.you gave my Armaldo Rock Slide and Protect
i could ask you, doesn't you know that rock blast is one the best way to against substitute?? also, the average damage of rock blast is 87.5, and rock slide is 75.
and why do you use protect since he does not have wish/toxic
even though there is no EVs on Armaldo's physical damagae is high enough to use sword dance's atk, his base atk is high enough to use sword dance
2. you didn't know that leech seed>recover, giga gain>hp grass on the netbattle?? how can you counter other grass type pokemon if he do not have celebi? if you switch to other pokemons, you'll be annoyed by leech seed
i already said that, my celebi has no recover since my jirachi can use wish to do the cure
3. celebi has a 100 base on sp. def and hp, the only special weakness he has is fine. it is perfectly fine to make him as a special tank
thunderblot>thunder , don't put thunder on jarachi.
4. well, you make calm mind instead of ice beam
it has nothing wrong to do that.
but please notice that, in my team, the only pokemon in my team can counter a Salamence is Armaldo
and a good player will never be beaten by a calm mind suicune
ex. Psych Up Regice, pokemons that can learn encore, pokemons that can learn llech seed & substitute, water absorb ability pokemons...etc
5. never battled with a perish song genger, did you?
no experienced players said a perish song gengar is stuipid.
6. to change refeclt as light screen is the only thing could be accepted

if you thought i am a noob, then challenge me
i'll give you 10 chances, if you beat me once, you win.
deal?
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Old February 23rd, 2007 (3:27 PM).
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btw, you know what
from your speech, i can see that you lack too much of real battle experience
1.you gave my Armaldo Rock Slide and Protect
i could ask you, doesn't you know that rock blast is one the best way to against substitute?? also, the average damage of rock blast is 87.5, and rock slide is 75.
and why do you use protect since he does not have wish/toxic
even though there is no EVs on Armaldo's physical damagae is high enough to use sword dance's atk, his base atk is high enough to use sword dance
While protect is not needed, Rock Slide is prized for its higher accuracy. Rock Blast, while it can attack behind subs, isn't as useful as something like Bonemerang, since some of the more common switch ins to Armaldo are Bulky Waters, who aren't taking a load of damage without a Swords Dance in place, or Skarm, who can actually take somewhere around 3-4 volleys of Rock Blasts without its Sub breaking.

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2. you didn't know that leech seed>recover, giga gain>hp grass on the netbattle?? how can you counter other grass type pokemon if he do not have celebi? if you switch to other pokemons, you'll be annoyed by leech seed
i already said that, my celebi has no recover since my jirachi can use wish to do the cure
I'm sure Leech Seed 1/16th HP sap is greater than Recover's 50% HP recovery. It's also cool to leech things that will KO you within the next turn, when you could have recovered and saved yourself some time and health instead. Giga Drain is also a great move to use over HP Grass with about 16 less PP and 10 less Base Power, especially since the HP you regain from Giga Draining the Salamence that was switched out in place of Swampert is very high. Countering Grass pokemon with Leech Seed is as simple as outrunning it and hitting it with a super effective move, or using said move while its trying to Leech you. Keep in mind that your Jirachi Is probably not going to be lasting too long with a lack of Defense EVs.
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3. celebi has a 100 base on sp. def and hp, the only special weakness he has is fine. it is perfectly fine to make him as a special tank
thunderblot>thunder , don't put thunder on jarachi.
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Celebi is weak to Ice, Fire, and Dark on the special side. =/. The cool thing about using Defense EVs on Celebi is that it helps it surive Dugrio HP Bugs and even some of the other Super Effective physical hits like Salamence HP Flying.
Thunder is prized on Jirachi for its 60% Paralysis rate after Serene Grace, which does a decent enough job on a 70% acc.

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4. well, you make calm mind instead of ice beam
it has nothing wrong to do that.
but please notice that, in my team, the only pokemon in my team can counter a Salamence is Armaldo

and a good player will never be beaten by a calm mind suicune
ex. Psych Up Regice, pokemons that can learn encore, pokemons that can learn llech seed & substitute, water absorb ability pokemons...etc
Oh, an actual refutable argument. However, You'll be better off with Swampert, since DDTyranitar pretty much screws the team over midgame.
Calmcune can screw teams over, still by the way.

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5. never battled with a perish song genger, did you?
no experienced players said a perish song gengar is stuipid.
You have better uses for that on your team. If you are planning to mean look something, a counter has probably been set in play already, and will most likely OHKO next turn.

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6. to change refeclt as light screen is the only thing could be accepted

if you thought i am a noob, then challenge me
i'll give you 10 chances, if you beat me once, you win.
deal?
I found that very funny. DDtar has a great run with this team, with Celebi lacking Defense EVs (Giga Drain isnt a OHKO btw), and forretress swithing into a Tyranitar's DD'd Rock Slide is dangerous, even with max Def and HP EVs, especially since Forry isn't carrying too many Atk EVs to put enough dent in Tar to make it want to switch too soon. CB Flygon is (perhaps even Flygon in general) is also a cause to worry, as Suicune can only take 3 STABed CBed Earthquakes from it. Laughably, with only Suicune as your only counter, alot of Fire types can make a quick sweep once Cune is disabled or incapacitated, which isn't that hard of a job without it Calm Minding.

No one cares about your win record anyway, since its very easy to challenge 50+ randoms that don't know what they're doing and win. =/.
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Old February 23rd, 2007 (6:29 PM).
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Iceman, don't swear. And Killer Doll, don't double post.
Both are against the rules.

Killer Doll if you aren't going to accept criticism then why on earth did you post your team?

Also lol, clausing Tyranitar = instant noob. Why are you afraid of Tyranitar anyways? You have Suicune. And have a 53-0 record basically means you're a record whore and you only fight people who are worse than you. Anyone with actually experience can exploit the obvious weaknesses that this team has.

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the only weakness of my team is blissey.
Only?
Your team has weaknesses against a ton of standard Pokemon. I'm not gonna name them all, it's better for you to find out for yourself.

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tif raikou have calm mind and substitute, he will lack of skill, either celebi or jirachi can against him(cuz i am good at prediction). if he don't. i'll use leech seed stratightly
lol good at prediction, yeah right. And good luck Leech Seeding Raikou when it's faster than all of your Pokemon and can use Substitute. After a Calm Mind, your Psychics will not break its Subs.

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CB heracross will either use magahorn or brick break, neither of them could deadly damage my Forretress, then i'll use reflect and switch suicune
No one uses Brick Break. They all use Focus Punch. And guess how much damage a CB Hera's FP does to Forretress? Up to 75% damage. Since it's so easy for Heracross to switch into a Toxic from this team, that means Hera will OHKO your Forretress with Guts activated.

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if you thought i am a noob, then challenge me
i'll give you 10 chances, if you beat me once, you win.
deal?
No need for 10 when you can be beaten on the first try. I may battle you anyways, just to put you in your place.


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Old February 23rd, 2007 (7:16 PM).
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Old February 23rd, 2007 (7:32 PM).
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lol, we can both do it.

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Old February 26th, 2007 (1:17 PM).
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whats with all the 252/252/4's on the evs? Does no one know how to make good evs anymore? >_>
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Old February 26th, 2007 (3:12 PM).
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whats with all the 252/252/4's on the evs? Does no one know how to make good evs anymore? >_>
Killer Doll apparently doesn't lol
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