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Old March 5th, 2007 (2:05 PM). Edited March 5th, 2007 by Humble Heart.
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I am seeking comments on my planned moveset for Lucario. Since it has a slightly higher Special Attack than Attack, I'm making a Special Sweeper Moveset.

Lucario @ Leftovers
Timid Nature [+Speed, -Attack]
252 Special Attack / 252 Speed / 6 HP
Humble Heart (Of course!
- Calm Mind
- Dark Pulse
- Luster Cannon
- Pulse Bomb

I was strongly considering Psychic an Dragon Pulse, but in the end I decided on these moves.

I have yet to decide on it's Item, so I would also appreciate help on that.

Respectfully,

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Old March 5th, 2007 (7:42 PM). Edited March 5th, 2007 by Prince Roserade.
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This is good. Lucario is a great choice for a Pokémon, as it has so much potential and variety.

However, I'd suggest replacing Luster Cannon. It gets STAB, but Steel isn't very good offensively. I reckon another move that would hit far more Pokes would be better, such as Dragon Pulse (which you considered). Dark+Fighting is a good combination of moves, as it will hit almost any type combination.

If you don't change Luster Cannon, though, it's not the end of the world. Your Lucario will do well either way, because as I said, Dark+Fighting attack is a good combination of moves that'll hit most types. But then, so does Dragon, and the plus side is that Dragon is super effective against Dragon itself, as you're well aware, and we both know that Dragons are fairly common in the metagame.

Hey, know what else works? Modest Lucario w/ Agility. I actually prefer this, because I like a fast Lucario. But hey, whatever floats your boat. We all have different styles -- Agility Lucario is what works for moi. ;D

For item, Lefties are always nice (more staying power), but that new item (the one that's like a Choice Band for special attackers) would work, albeit not as well, IMO.

I'm assuming your Lucario has Humble Heart and not Inner Focus (as it should be), but you didn't mention it. Just for future reference -- ability is usually mentioned in the set, even if the Pokémon just has one. ^^
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Old March 5th, 2007 (9:43 PM).
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That item is Adherence Glasses.

If I did go with that item, I would definitely go with Dragon Pulse over Calm Mind.

I decided to go with the Timid Calm Minder rather than the Modest Agilityer, it has enough speed for my tastes and can get be an absolute monster after a Calm Mind or two.
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Old March 6th, 2007 (2:00 PM).
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Even though it has higher special attack than attack, it makes a better physical sweeper/reversaler, being immune to sandstorm makes that even better though. Special is alright, but it is really narrowed down to a few choices of what to use instead a ranging movepool that will make it unpredictable
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Old March 6th, 2007 (2:33 PM).
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Even though it has higher special attack than attack, it makes a better physical sweeper/reversaler, being immune to sandstorm makes that even better though. Special is alright, but it is really narrowed down to a few choices of what to use instead a ranging movepool that will make it unpredictable
I agree with Rubberbandman and will be using him as a Reversaler my first run through the game. But i couldn't even imagine the day that you could have an arguement about what a pokes does better: Reversaler or Special Sweeper?

How broken of poke do you have to be to either use Reversal or Special Sweep. The only one i can think of is Pickachu (not that he's any good at Reversal).

I'm not saying he's cheating like Wobbuffet but so many pokes can't do 1 thing well and this guy can do 2. <2 completely different things too.>

Amazing.
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Old March 6th, 2007 (5:04 PM). Edited March 6th, 2007 by Superkid11.
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I'd go for a reversaler too, but this works good. :) (I was gonna ask how the heck Lucario learned Reversal, then I saw Rioru's moves.)
Lucario's replacing Blaziken as the best reversaler. Immunity to Sandstorm and Toxic make it great for this.

Lucario @ Leftovers
Hasty Nature [+Speed, -Defense]
252 Attack / 252 Speed / 6 Sp. Attack
- Endure/Substitute
- Reversal
- Luster Cannon
- Swords Dance/Focus Punch/Some other attack.

Luster Cannon for Weezing and such. Unlike with Blaziken; Weezing, Celebi, Skarmory, and the like aren't going to have to fear a Blaze'd Overheat. Skarmory's going to have trouble with the power of Reversal though.
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Old March 6th, 2007 (5:26 PM).
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NEWS FLASH: Luster Cannon sucks.

Any Steel attack that cannot reach 100 power should not be used since Steel is a horrible attacking type, only super-effective against Rock and Ice (which Fighting is super-effective against also).

As for Lucario movesets:

Lucario @Life Orb
Timid Nature
Trait: Humble Heart
-Pulse Bomb
-Dark Pulse
-Calm Mind
-Dragon Pulse

Dragon Pulse for Kaburaisu, Salamence, and other Dragons.

Lucario @Salac Berry
Adamant Nature
Trait: Humble Heart
-Reversal
-Endure/Substitute
-Stone Edge
-Swords Dance

Superkid, Luster Cannon can't even 2KO Weezing. It's a waste.


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Old March 6th, 2007 (5:45 PM).
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I've been planning on using the standard Lucario Reversaler' but since i'm talking InGame i was looking for Baton Passer's to give him the speed he needs. I'm gonna be using Mimiroppu to give him an Agility boost (because of Heal Wish and his newness) but you can't deny how sexy a combo this would be...

Ninjask w/Focus Band
'Speed Boost' : Increases Speed one stage every turn.
<Impish : +Def / -Sat>
* Baton Pass
* Sword Dance
* Protect
* Bug Devour <Just for Coolness of eating enemy Leichi Berry>

<His only job would be to survive 1 turn getting in first Sword Dance. Then Protect to get 2 stages of + Speed which would be = 1 Agility. Pass it to Lucario>

Lucario w/Leichi Berry
'Humble Heart' : Speed increases when flinched.
<Adament : +Att / -Sat>
* Endure
* Reversal
* Crunch / Shadow Claw
* Blaze Kick <Only possible with Ninjask since you need the Sword Dance>

<There isn't anything you can't handle with this setup. You are overly reliant on Ninjask though. If you really wanted to scumbag the AI you could put Double Team on Ninjask and make the Reversaler blinkish too>

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As for the Special Sweeper I'd definitely use Dragon Pulse over Luster Cannon. Pulse Bomb makes Luster Cannon totally redundant. They're both STAB but Pulse Bomb is stronger and hits everything SE that Luster Cannon does. Dragon Pulse makes this guy Wreck some of the most dangerous pokes in the game. This is an absolute NO Brainer to me.

Calm Mind is fine with me. It's really just preference as far as support moves go. Some like Speed / Some like Power.
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Old March 6th, 2007 (5:48 PM).
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Focus Band, more like Focus Strip ._.

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Old March 6th, 2007 (6:05 PM). Edited March 6th, 2007 by White Lotus.
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Well - anything that'll prevent bad damage calculation on my part. I still haven't played D/P yet so i'm not fully aware of the items capabilities. I thought that was just for Fissure / Sheer Cold / Guillotine / etc...I didn't know it included attacking moves as well. But if the Focus Strip guarantees that there will be a Round 2 than yes that would be better.

While your here AragornBird - Could you help us understand where Stone Edge fits in with Reversaler Lucario. This whole time i was debating between Crunch / Shadow Claw / Blaze Kick and you suggested Stone Edge. I know you just don't throw things in on a whim so how does Stone Edge fit in. Is there specific pokes that will stall a Reversal Sweep that will be KOed by Stone Edge? I'd like to get all the opinions now so when i do finally get the game i'll have as good an understanding as i can get.
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Old March 6th, 2007 (7:55 PM).
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Well - anything that'll prevent bad damage calculation on my part. I still haven't played D/P yet so i'm not fully aware of the items capabilities. I thought that was just for Fissure / Sheer Cold / Guillotine / etc...I didn't know it included attacking moves as well. But if the Focus Strip guarantees that there will be a Round 2 than yes that would be better.
Focus Strip guarantees that you will never be OHKOed as long as you are at full health. Stealth Rock/Sandstream screw this up though.

Substitute is just better though, at least you'll ensure the Speed Boost.


While your here AragornBird - Could you help us understand where Stone Edge fits in with Reversaler Lucario. This whole time i was debating between Crunch / Shadow Claw / Blaze Kick and you suggested Stone Edge. I know you just don't throw things in on a whim so how does Stone Edge fit in. Is there specific pokes that will stall a Reversal Sweep that will be KOed by Stone Edge? I'd like to get all the opinions now so when i do finally get the game i'll have as good an understanding as i can get.

Flying types.
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Old March 7th, 2007 (9:18 AM).
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Focus Strip guarantees that you will never be OHKOed as long as you are at full health. Stealth Rock/Sandstream screw this up though.
Does this glitch with Shedinja? Technically it can only be at full HP since it only has 1 so how does it work with him?

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Flying types.
I can't believe i didn't think of (Flying) types. That was pretty stupid. My bad.
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