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Old March 10th, 2007 (10:52 AM).
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Pidgeot (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 188 HP / 60 Atk / 80 Def / 136 Spd / 44 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Featherdance
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Return
- Toxic

I've been treasuring this more than the CB version lately, and it makes for a hell of a good starter. I think I spread the EVs just a bit too thin though.

Mawile (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Baton Pass
- Sing
- Substitute
- Swords Dance

I wanted to do some naughty things with Mawile.

Relicanth (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Atk / 92 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Substitute
- Toxic

Also like this more than its CB version.

Tropius (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Chlorophyll
EVs: 248 HP / 40 Atk / 72 Def / 64 Spd / 84 SAtk
Hardy Nature (Neutral)
- Earthquake
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Swords Dance

Surprisingly effective. After an SD it can do some pretty decent damage, and with its tankish stats, can take enough punishment to setup as well.

Hitmonchan (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Mach Punch
- Return
- Sky Uppercut

Pyro, I love ya man.

Whiscash (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Oblivious
EVs: 160 HP / 96 SAtk / 252 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Filler I guess. Helps against Sudowoodo/Relicanth and can still take SD passes.
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Old March 10th, 2007 (11:17 AM).
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well first... i love nidoqueen too =D

i'd take some of the EVs off of HP on mawile and redistribute them to sp def and def (more to sp def) and replace sing with something else... i'd say iron defense or double team, but i'm 100% sure you'll disagree anyway.

that relicanth moveset seems a little wasteful of its HP. i'd say instead of toxic, go for rest, or amnesia.

i'm shocked by the tropius... earthquake? i always kept a traditional tropius that had sunny day (solar beam + speed), solar beam, synthesis, and attract/leech seed. seeing it used for physical attacks is a shocker, and is probably what throws people off... aside from that, you don't seem to have any other special attacker on your team.

not sure about this one.. .but that hitmonchan... sky uppercut for rock slide?
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well first... i love nidoqueen too =D

i'd take some of the EVs off of HP on mawile and redistribute them to sp def and def (more to sp def) and replace sing with something else... i'd say iron defense or double team, but i'm 100% sure you'll disagree anyway.

that relicanth moveset seems a little wasteful of its HP. i'd say instead of toxic, go for rest, or amnesia.

i'm shocked by the tropius... earthquake? i always kept a traditional tropius that had sunny day (solar beam + speed), solar beam, synthesis, and attract/leech seed. seeing it used for physical attacks is a shocker, and is probably what throws people off... aside from that, you don't seem to have any other special attacker on your team.

not sure about this one.. .but that hitmonchan... sky uppercut for rock slide?
Gotta agree with that one, especially on the Trophius. Its a typical grass Pokemon, I don't see why you teach it earthquake.
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well first... i love nidoqueen too =D

i'd take some of the EVs off of HP on mawile and redistribute them to sp def and def (more to sp def) and replace sing with something else... i'd say iron defense or double team, but i'm 100% sure you'll disagree anyway.

that relicanth moveset seems a little wasteful of its HP. i'd say instead of toxic, go for rest, or amnesia.

i'm shocked by the tropius... earthquake? i always kept a traditional tropius that had sunny day (solar beam + speed), solar beam, synthesis, and attract/leech seed. seeing it used for physical attacks is a shocker, and is probably what throws people off... aside from that, you don't seem to have any other special attacker on your team.

not sure about this one.. .but that hitmonchan... sky uppercut for rock slide?
I agree,Especially on the tropius! Tropius usually blasts enemies with its powerful grass type moves (like Sunny Day+solarbeam combo) for the 1.5 damage multiplier but putting earthquake on him totally defeats the purpose!Also I hate focus punch because unless your opponent misses or uses a non damaging move (arrgh never works for me) you will never hit them so I would replace it with something like Rock Slide but that is just me.
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Then again, Tropius is a mukty SunnyBeamer. Keep in mind that Mawile is passing SDs, and believe it or not, Tropius is a prime receiver; It's got STAB on HP Flying, and can 1-2HKO things after an SD that can't OHKO back, save Flareon, which I can always Earthquake on the switch. It also only takes around 33% from Plusle Thunderbolt, so being able to KO before too much bad can happen is also a plus.

Rock Slide is redundant in NU. At least with Frustration I can hit Chimecho harder as well as get Swalot/Seviper on the switch.

Relicanth can't afford Rest in NU. It's not really meant for TRUE tanking, it's just there to take Normal/Flying attacks and **** any pokemon trying to switch in on it.
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Neutral nature on Tropius? ._.
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well as far as i see it, sing is way too unreliable. you should really replace it with something else.
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I would go for iron defence on mawile instead of sing.
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Old March 10th, 2007 (9:14 PM).
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Lol, Rubba. Just noticed the Hardy Nature. Ph34r?

Iron Defense would only replace Swords Dance, seeing as Mawile doesn't have the survivability to set up two different stats at one time. Besides Ancientpower or something, it doesn't have anything better to do offensively, so Sing is my next best option. It's not as unreliable as you may think, seeing as I'll be using it behind a Substitute or on the inevitable switch.
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