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Old April 1st, 2007 (2:05 PM).
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It seems in every RMT that includes a Metagross here(not including in-game rates), the prime suggestion for a moveset is "Agiligross."

While I am not bashing it (as it can be a pretty effective set), I feel that CBMeta is much more useful, and should be suggested more often. Or at least the Sleep Talk and Thunderpunch variants. Heck, if you think it can be a good pseudo-passer for the specified team, suggest a Reflect or Light Screen set.

Let's look at it like this:
Metagross still has to rid itself of its counters before it decides to use Agility, as it will be at a disadvantage if Milotic or Swampert switches in, where they take minimal damage and take a nice chunk off of Metagross in return. Then there's Skarmory, but we won't place that into an argument because it can be situational. So basically, to be effective, under normal circumstances it might take a while for Agiligross to get into the game.

CBGross, however, can OHKO alot more from the start than Agiligross, and doesn't rely on a setup to do anything to the Pokemon switching in. It has good defesive capabilites, forcing a good amount of switches if it's forced to go one-on-one with something like Salamence, so not having Agility doesn't hurt it very much.

Sleep Talk Meta has nice physical tanking abilities, and pretty much counters Gengar (if you did your EVs right). I've even been able to mess around with a Milotic after some Meteor Mash Attack boosts.

Thunderpunch and HP Fire can cut the damage Skarmory and Forretress can do to a team, respectively. Thunderpunch can even be a nasty surprise for Gyarados. You even have an option for HP Grass to rub out Swampert.

I'll stop here before this turns into more of a strategy guide than a rant.
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Old April 1st, 2007 (2:11 PM).
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This post should be stickied, imo.
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Old April 1st, 2007 (2:17 PM).
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Iirc, it is, under the Compiled Guides, only there's a shorter version.
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Old April 1st, 2007 (2:35 PM).
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It needs to be in big bold letters then. With big red arrows pointing to it.
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Old April 1st, 2007 (2:57 PM).
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I wish this forum contained more posts like this instead of endless RMT's that are always popping up. I love reading Pokemon Spotlight type of threads. Especially with the 4th Generation bringing so much cool new stuff.

Sorry Shanecdavis - i know how you feel about the new generation. <Wink>

Don't forget that CBGross can also pull off the cool new ChoiceBand *Pursuit tactic that is all the rage.

(Ghost) / (Psychic) types beware especially by something that can wall some of those Special Attacks.

Please Syncronize - drop some more knowledge in threads like this. Hopefully the other heavy hitters will follow suit and we can have some open discussions on what the new gen. brings to some of our old favorites.
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Old April 1st, 2007 (5:00 PM).
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I would do that, except I don't like our latest Pokemon gen.
It would also force me to make countless Pokemon Analyses, of which I'm sure Pokemon Palace does better with their complete PokeDex, which Includes Dig Entei and Psychic Electabuzz.
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Old April 1st, 2007 (6:00 PM).
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LOL I was about to tell White Lotus that you think less of the fourth generation than I do. It's a damn shame that such a crappy generation gets WiFi capability.
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Old April 2nd, 2007 (1:21 PM).
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Brb, making WiFi adapter and modifications for Game Boy and Game Boy Advance games.
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I would do that, except I don't like our latest Pokemon gen.
It would also force me to make countless Pokemon Analyses, of which I'm sure Pokemon Palace does better with their complete PokeDex, which Includes Dig Entei and Psychic Electabuzz.

LOL I was about to tell White Lotus that you think less of the fourth generation than I do. It's a damn shame that such a crappy generation gets WiFi capability.
Come on guys.

Your to good at this to boycott the new generation. The PokeCommunity and i'm not talking about this site but the actual Moveset Creating Community would be much worse off without your guys imput.

Syncronize - Your sets involving Chaosbreon inspired my first real good team. I love reading all the different ways you utilize him especially the UBER~Sexy version with *Charm to help setup Stat-Up Sweepers. *Dragon Dancers love that thing.

ShanecDavis - You helped me understand the basics of Competitive Battling and helped me get really good at breeding pokes. I always check you out for your general knowledge on all pokes.

I understand you're complaints about the 4th Generation but enough already. Your protests were noted but it's about time to drop this *Facade and jump on board. If not for yourself than do it for all the noobs that need advice.

You guys like this stuff way too much to just shut it off completely.

Aren't you a little bit intrigued by the rise of all these Mixed Sweepers that threaten the Basic Tenants of Pokemon Team Building. Infernape / Electivire / Magmortar have Walls of all kinds crapping their pants as we speak.

Don't you wonder what a True Turnstyle team could do with Sandstorm / Spikes / Stealth Rock / Poison Spikes. This kind of thing could bleed you dry.

The attack split does nothing for you? I mean how cool are items that can x2 your Special Attack / Speed to go along with Attack now.

Please I beg you. There's like 2-3 weeks left until it comes out. You don't have to acknowledge my pleas but quietly start to gather the knowledge and sharpen the skills because the time will be coming when I'm gonna need help and i'm coming to you for it.
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Old April 2nd, 2007 (3:03 PM).
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Syncronize - Your sets involving Chaosbreon inspired my first real good team. I love reading all the different ways you utilize him especially the UBER~Sexy version with *Charm to help setup Stat-Up Sweepers. *Dragon Dancers love that thing.
While I don't shun the idea of Charmbreon, I rarely use it either, unless it's a GSC team. e4prosucker was the prime user of Charmbreon, and quite frankly he thinks thats the best Umbreon set, though he is wrong.

I prefer Snatch or Mean Look + Taunt.
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While I don't shun the idea of Charmbreon, I rarely use it either, unless it's a GSC team. e4prosucker was the prime user of Charmbreon, and quite frankly he thinks thats the best Umbreon set, though he is wrong.

I prefer Snatch or Mean Look + Taunt.
My bad.

I've never seen e4prosucker before. You are the only one i've ever seen with that setup. I roll with standard *Mean Look + *Taunt as well but i was trying to butter you up to get you going for 4th Gen.

I come here and listen to Syncronize / Shanecdavis / AragornBird / Alter Ego that's pretty much the list. I like Rubberbandman / JC_RCW too but i don't see them post as much. So you can imagine my horror when 1/2 the peeps i like to sipher knowledge off of are telling me they have no interest in the 4th Gen. I feel like my parents just kicked me out of the house. I'll get by but i'm a little scared.
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My bad.

I've never seen e4prosucker before. You are the only one i've ever seen with that setup. I roll with standard *Mean Look + *Taunt as well but i was trying to butter you up to get you going for 4th Gen.

I come here and listen to Syncronize / Shanecdavis / AragornBird / Alter Ego that's pretty much the list. I like Rubberbandman / JC_RCW too but i don't see them post as much. So you can imagine my horror when 1/2 the peeps i like to sipher knowledge off of are telling me they have no interest in the 4th Gen. I feel like my parents just kicked me out of the house. I'll get by but i'm a little scared.
Pretty much.
If you guys don't come to the 4th gen, we'll kidnap you and you'll rate our teams by knife [email protected]@@@@@

Well, not really, but you should come, and you can just pwn noobzors with 3rd gen/second/some4th
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The problem that I have is that Game Freak won't bother changing their product until they get hurt where it hurts most. No, not between the legs, but rather in the pocket book. I have the same problem with EA Sports and their total disregard in making NBA Live a quality product.

I cannot win though. For every one of me, there is about 150,000 kids that don't care one bit about the problems that are present in the game (since the first generation) and will buy it anyway, mainly because it is Pokemon. Therefore, any chance of forcing GF to improve the quality of their product is next to nothing.

Synch, I am looking forward to that WiFi adapter for my GBA. I really don't want to cough up the caish for a DS.
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Old April 2nd, 2007 (8:31 PM).
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I have the same problem with EA Sports and their total disregard in making NBA Live a quality product.
Your preaching to the converted there Shanecdavis. In the Mid~Late 90's NBA Live pwned hard but lately its all the same and 2k6~2k7 has passed them by.

GF will never make the games for any age higher than 6~8 year olds hence why we can't get a real good InGame type of game. You've been saying for years they should have difficulty settings InGame to make the A.I. better and i know how you feel that nobody is listening. A Console version of the Handheld game could be Awesome. They'd have so much more capabilities of including more pokes and upping the strategy factor of the A.I. they could really make something special.

But they ain't into quality - they're after quantity or does Mystery Dungeon / Pinball / Dash / Ranger / Trozei / Etc. prove me wrong.

But don't punish yourself by ignoring the good things about the new generation to try an make a point to them. Like you said they ain't listening so it's a practice in futility. Forget the little kids they are marketing to and come play with us and all the new toys we stole from those kids. :bandit:
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Old April 3rd, 2007 (8:54 AM).
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Pretty much.
If you guys don't come to the 4th gen, we'll kidnap you and you'll rate our teams by knife [email protected]@@@@@

Well, not really, but you should come, and you can just pwn noobzors with 3rd gen/second/some4th
I feel an Anti-D/P rant swelling up.
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Old April 3rd, 2007 (10:25 AM).
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*Holds thread hostage*

Let it out, my friend. Don't let that steam build up. You could break something.
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