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Old April 6th, 2007 (7:33 PM).
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Just wondering, but could a Gyarados fit well into my team?

My team consists of (Currents): Sceptile, Shellgon, Crobat.
This is for IG just to let you all know. I found out that recently I have had troubles against Steel types and flying types, which by the looks of it, Winona (Where I am right now) will be kind of hard. I was wondering what moveset would go well with a Gyarados in my party be?

These are my current pokémon and their levels and current moves:

Sceptile
Level 42
Modest Nature (+SPatk, -Atk)
-Leaf Blade
-Absorb
-Fury Cutter
-Agility

Ya, just as a heads up, everything here is laughable at, I think.

Shellgon
Level 40
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SPatk)
-Headbutt
-DragonBreath
-Protect
-Bite

and..

Crobat
Level 40
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SPatk)
-Wing Attack
-Air Cutter
-Confuse Ray
-Bite

Yes, if you havn't noticed, I train my team in this such a fashion, I level my starter up until (s)he is two levels above the other pokémon, then train the other two 1 level higher, etc etc. And yes, really crappy moves, but keep in mind these are not the final moves, and only the current moves. Also, I don't use IVs/Evs as they take up too much time for me. Also, I don't use items as half the time they confuse me half to death.

Also, if you don't think a Gyarados could fit on here, PLEASE make suggestions along with good movesets to help me with my predicament. =/
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Old April 6th, 2007 (7:43 PM).
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Perhaps:

Hydro Pump
Hyper Beam
Thunder (Maybe, if you have the TM?)
Dragon Rage (kind of effective, does 40 HP damage)
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Old April 6th, 2007 (8:12 PM).
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I'm guessing this is for Emerald but i think this should be in the 3rd Gen Forum...

Ruby/Saphire/Emerald Discussion

I would head back to the Power Plant and catch myself a Magnemite / Magneton. They will resist the attacks you are fretting and murder the (Flying) types with STAB (Electric) attacks.
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Old April 7th, 2007 (6:46 AM).
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That HUGE Ice weakness could be a problem. Personally, I wouldn't go with Gyarados at all, especially not the moveset that was suggested to you by Yoshistar64, but I think you know better than that anyway.

To cover your stated weaknesses, Swampert or Blaziken can both handle them rather well, although Blaziken cannot until well after the Weak Five. That leaves standard Mixpert:

Swampert @ Leftovers / Chesto Berry
Trait: Torrent
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Hydro Pump / Surf
- Ice Beam
- Rest / Protect
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Old April 7th, 2007 (6:51 AM). Edited April 7th, 2007 by Ullion.
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Oh yes, Ice, I forgot to mention that. Sorry, I posted that late at night and well, I guess I couldn't think right. But I'll go for that Swampert then. Also, that moveset helps with the ice types as well I assume?

And White Lotus, in this thread I'm asking for help revovling around movesets and battle strategies, this forum section is probably the best.
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Old April 7th, 2007 (8:10 AM).
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If you are InGame and at Fortree City how are you going to get a Swampert when Sceptile was your starter?

You can't trade until after you beat the game unless i'm missing something or you're gonna Hack it in.

I'd go with Magneton if i were you. It's the only poke to resist <Bolt/Beam> - It's the #1 Skarmory killer which in the above post said you were sweating - And it's easy to get.

Magneton w/Leftovers
'Magnet Pull' : (Steel) types can't escape from battle.
<Modest : +Sat / -Att>
* Thunderbolt
* HP(Ice / Grass / Fire)
* Thunder Wave
* Metal Sound

Since you won't be breeding them i'd catch a bunch of them - save the game by a Kecleon RoadBlock and give one *Hidden Power and attack the Kecleon to see what *Hidden Power type it is then reset and try the next one. You really want (Ice) or (Grass) but (Fire) is acceptable. If you don't want to use *Hidden Power you could use *Rest instead.

I don't usually suggest *Hidden Power InGame but this poke needs it and since you won't be trying for 31 IV's it should be a little easier to get a good *HP(Type).
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shame, swamperts easily the best starter for emerald. it kills 80% of the gym leaders.

follow white-lotus's advice.
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Old April 7th, 2007 (9:00 AM). Edited April 7th, 2007 by White Lotus.
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shame, swamperts easily the best starter for emerald. it kills 80% of the gym leaders.
Yup. My first run through i picked Sceptile too. I was so jealous of not having Swampert i traded all my good stuff to XD after i beat the game and started over so i could play with Mudkip. He's now my favorite starter of all time.

We'll have to see how Infernape does in the next installment <Pearl>.

If you are really scared of trying to get *Hidden Power InGame you could go with *Thunderbolt / *Thunder Wave / *Metal Sound / *Rest - and just switch out to Sceptile against (Ground) types. You really shouldn't be standing and fighting (Ground) types with him anyway considering he's 4x Weak against them.

Also when you're Shelgon turns into Salamence I'd give him <*Earthquake / *Aerial Ace> TM's and he will become a beast. In fact if you go back to Mauville City GameCorner you can buy a *Flamethrower TM for like 80,000 and give it to Shelgon. He will take out that Skarmory for you too i think but you'd still have some trouble with the other flyers which is why i suggested Magnemite.

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<EDIT> Wait a second...Don't you need *Waterfall HM to get a Bagon in the first place? Did you hack in a Bagon at the begining of the game? If not how do you have one at Fortree City?

Well if you are Sharking them in you might as well get a Swampert while you are at it. Then i'd go with HP(Ice) for Magneton as well. His IV's would have to be: <HP 31 / Att 31 / Def 31 / Sat 31 / Sdf 31 / Spd 30>. That'll give you Hp(Ice) at 70 Base Power.
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I love the fact that you resort to the fact that you think I'm hacking. You know, I may seem like a loner, but I DO have some friends I can trade with. I have a Sapphire version, I bred for an Adamant Bagon and Adamant Zubat, got them after a LONG time and then I made a new file on emerald, SR'd for Modest Treecko, then traded the two pokemon over. I can also ask my friends to breed their mudkips/marshtomps/swamperts then trade them over to me.

And everytime I start a new file, I prefer to use a different starter everytime, make it a bit more challenging. Games just aren't fun if you pick the strongest starter everytime, no?

Another thing, I've planned out their movesets already, well with Salamence and Crobat at least. Sala is gunna be a physimence (Sp?) and Crobat is another physical sweeper, just different types they use. (I guess they share the flyign type though). Sceptile at the moment is up in the air. However, Magneton does seem like a good idea, much easier and quicker to get rather than a Swampy. =/
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I love the fact that you resort to the fact that you think I'm hacking. You know, I may seem like a loner, but I DO have some friends I can trade with. I have a Sapphire version, I bred for an Adamant Bagon and Adamant Zubat, got them after a LONG time and then I made a new file on emerald, SR'd for Modest Treecko, then traded the two pokemon over. I can also ask my friends to breed their mudkips/marshtomps/swamperts then trade them over to me.
Easy White Chocolate.

I wasn't trying to insult you. I thought that you couldn't trade until after you beat the Elite 4. I've never played Sapphire before.

Well if you are going with a Physical Salamence than you must be going ChoiceBand since he doesn't have *Dragon Dance. I'm guessing that means <*Earthquake / *Rock Slide / *Aerial Ace / *Fire Blast>. Very Nasty poke.

It's definitely fine using less than standard pokes. I do it all the time. One of my favorites is Lanturn. It has huge HP's and is one of the only pokes who can *Surf / *Thunderbolt / *Ice Beam - I use him like my lower case Starmie.

Dunsparce is another one of my favorite underused pokes.

Sceptile InGame is a tricky thing because my favorite set is SubSeed and it's not even close. He also suffers from needing a HP(Fire/Ice) to be truly effective.

I guess I'd go with *Leaf Blade / *Thunder Punch / *Dragon Claw / *Brick Break since it's InGame. Man you can't even get *Thunder Punch because it's not Emerald.

I guess you could go *Leaf Blade / *Dragon Claw / *Focus Punch / *Substitute but be careful because he's so quick you're opponent will almost always be going 2nd giving him a chance to break your Subs.

*Crunch / *Leech Seed would have really helped if you had egg moves at least giving you more of a selection. I'd save the game and give him a *Hidden Power than fight a Kecleon to see if it's (Fire) or (Ice). Just Reset if it's something that won't help. You might just get really lucky. I mean you got a <2 out of 17> chance of getting what you need.
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Aggron.
In other words, steel / ghost types own in-game, and have great resists <_<
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I guess I'd go with *Leaf Blade / *Thunder Punch / *Dragon Claw / *Brick Break since it's InGame. Man you can't even get *Thunder Punch because it's not Emerald.
thunder punch isn't in Emerald?
i thought it was...
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Thunderpunch is gained by a Battle Frontier move tutor in Emerald.
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Thunderpunch is gained by a Battle Frontier move tutor in Emerald.
Thats what I thought, maybe the other person just thought I didn't have emerald although it was already mentioned that it was emerald.

Anyways, just curious, but wouldn't a fire-type be best? I looked at what the types I was having troubles against, and both Steel and Ice are weak towards fire, although most ice types are part water, but then I can use Sceptile or the fire-type. I was thinking of Torkoal because I have never used one before as well as I thought I could use a good defensive pokémon? /=
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Thats what I thought, maybe the other person just thought I didn't have emerald although it was already mentioned that it was emerald.

Anyways, just curious, but wouldn't a fire-type be best? I looked at what the types I was having troubles against, and both Steel and Ice are weak towards fire, although most ice types are part water, but then I can use Sceptile or the fire-type. I was thinking of Torkoal because I have never used one before as well as I thought I could use a good defensive pokémon? /=
Most fire types are too frail to really add to such an unstable team as what you have right now. In theory, your idea is logical, but it's much more beneficial to add something like Rhydon or Aggron to help avoid a complete physical onslaught.
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Okay, so what about a Torkoal? It has 140 Phys. Def. which could help against Physical atatcks, no?

And sorry if I sound persistant, I am just wondering. <.<"
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140 Base doesn't shake off enough from the common Earthquake or Rock Slide. Not to mention it doesn't really have any physical resistances besides Bug and Steel, which are a bit less common. It's usable, I suppose, but I wouldn't personally recommend it. You have a lot of room for trial and error, so I DO recommend that you test it out before submitting to my opinion.
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fire types r that weak? i love fire types and dragon types especially....
but i tend to end up removing fire types from the team except for charizard in lg...
u might have a point.

anyways fire types have crap defence and can normally be killed by an earthquake or rock slide in a one hit KO. id suggest to not put torkoal in there.
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Fire-types are overrated and weak defensively, in general. Being weak to two of the most abused moves in the game (Earhquake/Surf) doesn't help. Charizard also fails with its 4x Rock weakness.

On top of that, all Steel-types can be taken down with moves that aren't Fire-type. Most of them are also weak to Ground. Skarmory is weak to Electric. Most good trainers get by without a Fire-type on their team, opting to use a strong Poke with a Fire move (i.e. Alakazam with Fire Punch or Salamence with Fire Blast) instead.
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Most good trainers get by without a Fire-type on their team, opting to use a strong Poke with a Fire move (i.e. Alakazam with Fire Punch or Salamence with Fire Blast) instead.
ur right there..
i mostly use Rayquaza with flamethrower to beat the e4.
but its true that fire types have high attack and sp attack stats. that's the good thing.
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