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Old July 16th, 2007 (12:39 PM).
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    Answer me this then... Why did EVERYONE who voted so far vote yes except for you... XD

    Legendaries are Legendaries Uber or not. Metagross, Milotic, Blissey are all considered ubers, but they're not banned. Only LEGENDARIES are.
    Everyone voted "Yes"? Sweet. XD

    I just serriously don't understand that. Comparing Kyogre with Azelf is like comparing Azelf with Gliscor. That's a huge difference.
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    Old July 16th, 2007 (12:48 PM).
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    Everyone voted "Yes"? Sweet. XD
    "Yes" as in "yes to no legendaries," obviously.
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    Old July 16th, 2007 (1:00 PM).
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      But that's not what "Yes" meant originally, and he didn't specify the change. He just said "Why did everyone else vote 'Yes'?"
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      Old July 16th, 2007 (1:08 PM).
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      Hurray! Mass PMing works! :D Count me back in!

      And I didn't blackmail them, I simply informed them there was a rule change and a vote taking place.
      But it was still obvious to me that you did that. :p
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      Old July 16th, 2007 (1:20 PM).
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        Old July 16th, 2007 (1:29 PM).
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        But it was still obvious to me that you did that. :p
        Hey, what can I say, I'm pretty adamant in my beliefs.
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        Old July 16th, 2007 (1:36 PM).
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          Everyone voted "Yes"? Sweet. XD

          I just serriously don't understand that. Comparing Kyogre with Azelf is like comparing Azelf with Gliscor. That's a huge difference.
          Kyogre with Azelf - Both Legendaries

          Azelf with Gliscor - Legendary vs Non-Legendary but Gliscor still wins.

          Basically saying that you're still fighting a legendary.

          If you allowed Azelf people would start saying how there's a legendary and that the rest should be allowed and it's not fair. So if you just left out ALL legendaries then people won't cry and scream if they're going up against a Kyogre or Mewtwo.
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          Old July 16th, 2007 (2:03 PM).
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            Kyogre with Azelf - Both Legendaries

            Azelf with Gliscor - Legendary vs Non-Legendary but Gliscor still wins.

            Basically saying that you're still fighting a legendary.

            If you allowed Azelf people would start saying how there's a legendary and that the rest should be allowed and it's not fair. So if you just left out ALL legendaries then people won't cry and scream if they're going up against a Kyogre or Mewtwo.
            Using "Legendary" as your only comparison is really shallow. How about using things like power, endurance, and overall usefullness?

            That wouldn't happen for a very long time if ever. Banning Ubers rather than Legendaries has been around for quite a long time, and I don't think it would ever weaken to an acceptance of all legendaries.

            You could also say the same about your argument. If the weak legendaries are banned, then suddenly the strongest pokémon, like Salamance, would be frowned apon and might even be banned. It goes both ways.
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            Salamence isn't the strongest. There are stronger. Salamence may have slightly more attack power, but Garchomp has more speed and can learn Outrage, and gets STAB from Earthquake.

            But I digress. The decision has been made, no point in disputing it any further.
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            Old July 16th, 2007 (2:17 PM).
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              Pokémon was meant to be plural, btw. I should've put "one of" in front of it.

              I know that it won't change anything. I still felt like saying that anyway.
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              Old July 16th, 2007 (2:26 PM).
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                So all legendaries are in now?

                WTF? Count me out. NOW.
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                Old July 16th, 2007 (2:30 PM).
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                  So all legendaries are in now?

                  WTF? Count me out. NOW.
                  Two things:

                  1. All legends were NEVER allowed in this tournament, it was just the non-Uber ones.

                  2.The ban on all legendaries is now back

                  Pay attention.
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                  Old July 16th, 2007 (2:33 PM).
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                  So all legendaries are in now?

                  WTF? Count me out. NOW.
                  No, all legendaries are OUT. I considered allowing all but Ubers, but now it's all legends once again.
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                    Put a list of non-"uber" legendaries here. Show me what COULD'VE been used in the Tournament.
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                    Sure. Here are the ones I considered allowing:

                    Articuno
                    Moltres
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                    Regirock
                    Registeel
                    Jirachi
                    Uxie
                    Mesprit
                    Azelf
                    Heatran
                    Cresselia
                    Regigigas
                    Manaphy
                    Phione
                    Shaymin

                    And here are the ones that would not have been allowed under any circumstances:

                    Mewtwo
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                    Lugia
                    Ho-oh
                    Latias
                    Latios
                    Groudon
                    Kyogre
                    Rayquaza
                    Deoxys
                    Dialga
                    Palkia
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                        Hmm... but still the legendary birds and dogs... I battle on NetBattle and see them used a lot, same with Celebi. The Regis each have their own individual good stats. Regice Sp. Def, Regirock Def...

                        Bah... I'd rather just not have legendaries as even the non-uber ones are still tough to beat sometimes.
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                          I'd preferable have no Leggies, nor Ubers in this tournament, it sucks kinda...

                          BTW, Latios / Latias are LEGENDARIES, not Ubers, they're only Uber if they hold Soul Dew.
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                            Personally I use legendaries in battle. Not much anymore as I have too many pokemon and like to alternate but I only use non-ubers. Despite that, I feel that legendaries should still be banned from this tournament and on that note, Tyranitar too as it is now uber due to the sandstorm boost in sp.def.
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                            Old July 17th, 2007 (5:52 AM).
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                              Why is everyone referring to themselves in the first person? XD

                              Anyways, if I had to do an official vote,I would say no Legendaries. But seeing as how I came up against a Cresselia and massacred it, I don't really care one way or another.

                              But if anything, make a limit on how many legendaries can be on one team. Like two, or even one. I don't mind facing a Cresselia, but I do slightly mind facing a Cresselia, Azelf, Jirachi, Entei, Zapdos, Regice all on the same team. That would just be ridiculous.
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                              Old July 17th, 2007 (6:50 AM).
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                                Well if some wants legends, and some does not, (which i DONT!) why dont we allow 1 non-uber legend in each team?
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                                  Or make it simple, no legendaries; not too hard of a concept. There's no reason to keep talking about it, not that the topic currently has other things to discuss but still, heh. With that said though I'll have to edit my team to disclude Palkia (only really needed the help since my team lacks anything fire.)


                                  In another topic, do people prefer using the lv.50 rounding rule in their battles? I think it'd make for a quicker tournament, plus it makes it more realistic. Having 6 lv. 100s is like actually having a team of ubers, but of course for staying in the tournament I'll gladly use 100 if I must.
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                                    I dont see the difference when you battle at level 50 or level 100. The stats are just recalculated accordingly but I rather prefer for battles to be at level 100 to get the full benefit of EVs and all.
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                                    Old July 17th, 2007 (7:20 AM).
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                                      Mm true, there is that. I do follow EVs but I'm not obsessed with them. I'm 50/50 when it comes to natural raising/EV training.
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                                        Thanks for the heads Ichida. My vote is no legendaries.
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