Are you For or Against Gay Marriage? Page 7

Started by Alex June 13th, 2007 6:10 PM
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Are you for or against gay marriage?

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No, I don't mean to flame you or anything, but that list seems horribly old. (Blacks can't marry whites? 'Haven't adapted to cars'?
It's a joke. If you look at all those reasonings, they actually show how weak the arguments against gay marriage is. Because of all those loopholes that were pointed out.

I mean, biologically speaking, the only logical togetherness, is a male and a female.
So, let's say that I get married to the man I love now. We can't have children because of a medical condition I don't want to get into. If a man and a woman are the only logical togetherness because they can have babies, then would my relationship be illogical? Man + Woman = Child, just not all the time.

There has to be some kind of hereditary trait.
It's not a hereditary trait. It's more of a mutation that happens in development of the brain.

God made the first two people Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve.
There's a joke on that too, but I won't share it. But it was just a really hilarious take on that whole argument.

Besides, all the times that the Bible mentions that homosexuality is wrong are pretty much outdated now. The Bible says that you are supposed to go out and multiply because of the prosecution faced from the Romans. The Catholic faith needed more followers, so they told the ones that they already had that God wants them to make babies. And as for the other argument, it's outdated. You couldn't eat pork because of unsanitary reasons. It's the same with homosexual practices. Both were unsanitary at that time, but not anymore.

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The main reason our culture and values have started to crumble is the weakening of families. Introducing another form of "family" would only make the situation worse.
Umm, what the hell?

Maybe I'm just ignorant here, but could you elaborate on this for me a bit? Because that argument sounds like baseless conjecture to me. How does having more families hurt existing families?
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Wahoo arguing... :P


Just because an ancient religion decrees a belief, doesn't mean it is correct. Your legal system branched out from British law (which mostly originated from Roman law, and a small amount of Biblical scripture). However in modern day, UK allows civil partnership and discrimination is practically illegal, in US it doesn't appear so. Does this mean that UKs laws has just evolved a bit further than yours? Is religion the cause for slower development of ideas?

EDIT: Bah just realised the post was changed.. even though the copy&paste was pretty much the best counter argument I've seen so far..*Deletes paragraph...*

Anyway, I found this posted once, its quite a humorous read:
10 Reasons Why Gay Marriage Will Ruin Society
  1. 1. Being gay is not natural. Real Americans ™ always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.
    2. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
    3. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
    4. Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn’t changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can’t marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
    5. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britany Spears’ 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.
    6. Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn’t be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren’t full yet, and the world needs more children.
    7. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
    8. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That’s why we have only one religion in America.
    9. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That’s why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.
    10. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven’t adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.
Down with black women, up with God!

Simply put...

The separation of church and state is in our constitution. It is not the government's job to say whether or not something is "sanctified". It is their job to tell us it is legally binding and we have the same rights as anyone else to have a legally binding relationship with the person we love, with the same exact rights any straight person has, and have a "marriage" just the same as a straight person.

A marriage by any other name isn't a marriage. It's a civil union. Right?

Do you remember the times of Segregation? "Separate but equal".

It still stands today that separate is not equal, and saying it is, is a blatant lie.

The day when I get married is going to be a great day, no matter if it's to Eve or Steve.

Those who stand against us are looking at the biggest civil rights movement of modern times, and you are looking at one of its supporters as you read these words.

Religion does not own me.

Neither do the teachings of it, and the bigotry expressed therefore by its most radical supporters.
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Wahoo arguing... :P


Just because an ancient religion decrees a belief, doesn't mean it is correct. Your legal system branched out from British law (which mostly originated from Roman law, and a small amount of Biblical scripture). However in modern day, UK allows civil partnership and discrimination is practically illegal, in US it doesn't appear so. Does this mean that UKs laws has just evolved a bit further than yours? Is religion the cause for slower development of ideas?

EDIT: Bah just realised the post was changed.. even though the copy&paste was pretty much the best counter argument I've seen so far..*Deletes paragraph...*

Anyway, I found this posted once, its quite a humorous read:
10 Reasons Why Gay Marriage Will Ruin Society
  1. 1. Being gay is not natural. Real Americans ™ always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.
    2. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
    3. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
    4. Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn’t changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can’t marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
    5. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britany Spears’ 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.
    6. Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn’t be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren’t full yet, and the world needs more children.
    7. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
    8. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That’s why we have only one religion in America.
    9. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That’s why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.
    10. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven’t adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.
I like how it said "Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children"

I wonder if they took the thought of "Gay children were made by straight couples, too"

If Gay people did not come from straight parents,
would Homosexuality even EXIST?

Of course, Gays are just like blacks, can't marry white people!

Women are Property? If that were true, My mom would have already killed my dad for saying that he owns her.


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On a different topic, have you ever noticed that One of the top and only reasons people are against gays in general is religion?

Yeah, RELIGION gives you the right to be a bastard.

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It's a joke. If you look at all those reasonings, they actually show how weak the arguments against gay marriage is. Because of all those loopholes that were pointed out.


So, let's say that I get married to the man I love now. We can't have children because of a medical condition I don't want to get into. If a man and a woman are the only logical togetherness because they can have babies, then would my relationship be illogical? Man + Woman = Child, just not all the time.


It's not a hereditary trait. It's more of a mutation that happens in development of the brain.


There's a joke on that too, but I won't share it. But it was just a really hilarious take on that whole argument.

Besides, all the times that the Bible mentions that homosexuality is wrong are pretty much outdated now. The Bible says that you are supposed to go out and multiply because of the prosecution faced from the Romans. The Catholic faith needed more followers, so they told the ones that they already had that God wants them to make babies. And as for the other argument, it's outdated. You couldn't eat pork because of unsanitary reasons. It's the same with homosexual practices. Both were unsanitary at that time, but not anymore.
If you think that gay sex is so sanitary, thank you for AIDS.

Umm, what the hell?

Maybe I'm just ignorant here, but could you elaborate on this for me a bit? Because that argument sounds like baseless conjecture to me. How does having more families hurt existing families?
Ummm, that's simple to answer. Because with gay marriage, there wouldn't be more families. They wouldn't reproduce. Obviously <.<

On a different topic, have you ever noticed that One of the top and only reasons people are against gays in general is religion?

Yeah, RELIGION gives you the right to be a bastard.

"It sure does!"
Yeah, once again, thank you for AIDS.



"We'll just call it something else. Instead of being 'married', you'll be 'butt-buddies'!"
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If you think that gay sex is so sanitary, thank you for AIDS.
Time for me to make an umpteenth point about HIV/AIDS this week. Blah.

Gay sex 'didn't cause AIDS'. HIV/AIDS is in no way restricted to Homosexuals. And never was. It is most likely it originated from heterosexual intercourse and passed on.

If you are promiscuous gay man, you are less likely to contract HIV than a straight promiscuous person, since gay people are more aware of the risks and take better precautions towards STDs.
As a result the percentage of gays with HIV is lower than that of straight people.

So using your point, if homosexual sex isn't sanitary, then neither is heterosexual sex, breastfeeding or childbirth.

HIV and AIDS is mainly caused nowadays by sharing needles and sex between straight couples than gay ones. If you think that using AIDS as an excuse for homophobia is justified, then you are quite mistaken.
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It was proven that a gay helicopter pilot, who had HIV, flew to a bunch of different cities, and passed it on to his gay partners. HIV Started in monkeys, but a single gay man spread it to mainstream society.

And of course the percentage would be lower. There are less hags.

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It was proven that a gay helicopter pilot, who had HIV, flew to a bunch of different cities, and passed it on to his gay partners. HIV Started in monkeys, but a single gay man spread it to mainstream society.
Any proof of this? There is a load of debate about how it spread, but tbh I've never seen this man the blame for it. It has been documented in later 1950s in a tribesman, but evidence and symptons suggest that it could have been around in Europe in 1930s and even earlier. We can't just throw the blame upon one person, when we have flawed evidence.

And of course the percentage would be lower. There are less hags
A percentage is a percentage... :\ Do you know how a percentage works..? It has nothing to do with the number of gay men.

Also the use of the word 'hag' is offensive, didn't you yourself say:
I personally think it isn't voluntary, which is why I wouldn't even think about poking fun.
Slight contradiction there.
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Actually, there is proof. Watch the History Channel.

They had a whole special about it.

Well, with health care's cost now, imagine with all the gays running around. It will certainly pinch your pocket then. And don't start saying that homos have no control over how health care works. It has everything to do with it.

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It was proven that a gay helicopter pilot, who had HIV, flew to a bunch of different cities, and passed it on to his gay partners. HIV Started in monkeys, but a single gay man spread it to mainstream society.

And of course the percentage would be lower. There are less hags.
Not to be rude, but that has nothing to do with being gay. Anyone could have HIV.
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Gay Marriage is not just bad from religion but also bad in society.If tomorrow if everyone was to fall in love with the same gender and as time past by the human race wouldn't exist no more!
Well, with health care's cost now, imagine with all the gays running around. It will certainly pinch your pocket then.
NEWS FLASH: HOMOSEXUALITY ALREADY EXISTS. You are not somehow encouraging nature to produce exclusively/more gay people BY GIVING THEM A LEGAL STATUS. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? HOW ON EARTH DID YOU GET THAT NOTION? IF ANYONE WAS GAY, THEN IT'S BLOODY LIKELY THEY WEREN'T GOING TO MARRY A WOMAN ANYWAY. It's not going to make homosexuality suddenly more rampant and, if anything, I would imagine it would discourage the spreading of STDs, because it would in turn discourage having multiple partners if anything. You're not worried about the good of mankind. You're just xenophobic because of the media's portrayal of gay culture and its affect on your idea of normalcy.
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Actually, there is proof. Watch the History Channel.

They had a whole special about it.

Well, with health care's cost now, imagine with all the gays running around. It will certainly pinch your pocket then. And don't start saying that homos have no control over how health care works. It has everything to do with it.
No, it is an unproveable situation. It's like finding who first got the common cold and then slating that person for the other millions who also got it. Telling me to 'watch the History Channel' isn't proof.

This is taken from the Avert website, which I also feel is a more credible source:
It is likely that we will never know who the first person was to be infected with HIV, or exactly how it spread from that point forwards. Scientists investigating the possibilities often become very attached to their individual 'pet' theories and insist that theirs is the only true answer, but the spread of AIDS could quite conceivably have been induced by a combination of many different events. .... So perhaps what the scientific community should now be focussing on is not how the AIDS epidemic originated, but how those it affects can be treated, how the further the spread of HIV can be prevented and how the world can be changed to ensure a similar pandemic never occurs again.

It is not for straight people to point the finger of blame upon the gay population, since still there is no proof. Straight people spread HIV more than gay people do, are we equally to blame as well?


And in terms of health care, I'm not sure what you're getting at. So its gay peoples fault for a flawed health care system in your country? Well.. if you say so.
But there are more straight people with STDs than gay people? So this population doesnt affect it?
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Interestingly enough, promiscuity(non-monogamous)(foolin around) in the homosexual community is RAMPANT, more so than the hetrosexual community. Fact not fiction. You must have spent too much time as a child watching rumper room.

And in terms of health care, I'm not sure what you're getting at. So its gay peoples fault for a flawed health care system in your country? Well.. if you say so.
But there are more straight people with STDs than gay people? So this population doesnt affect it?
If we have such a flawed system, why is it that people from Europe, and our sister country Canada, flock to the United States for surgeries that they have WAIT FOR under your flawed system.

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Interestingly enough, promiscuity(non-monogamous)(foolin around) in the homosexual community is RAMPANT, more so than the hetrosexual community. Fact not fiction. You must have spent too much time as a child watching rumper room.


If we have such a flawed system, why is it that people from Europe, and our sister country Canada, flock to the United States for surgeries that they have WAIT FOR under your flawed system.
In a study of sexual behavior in homosexuals and heterosexuals, the researchers found that of gay and bisexual men, 24% had one male partner in their lifetime, 45% had 2-4 male partners, 13% had 5-9 male partners, and 18% had 10 or more sexual partners, which produces a mean of less than 6 partners. (The statistics I did by myself using the data presented, which is presented as a percentage of total males interviewed, both gay and straight (p. 345)--they can be verified yourself by looking at the numbers given in the paper)(Fay; n=97 gay males of 1450 males total). In a parallel study, a random sample of primarily straight men (n=3111 males who had had vaginal intercourse; of the total sample of n=3224 males, only 2.3% had indicated having had sex with both men and women), the mean number of sexual partners was 7.3, with 28.2% having 1-3 partners, and 23.3% having greater than 19 partners (Billy). This data indicates that gay men may have fewer number of sexual partners than heterosexuals.
Source. Gay Mental Health.

For those of you who require a tl;dr explanation; Gay Guys: Around 6 sexual partners in a lifetime, on average. Straight Guys: Around 7 sexual partners in a lifetime, on average.

Damn. Wheres your 'fact not fiction' now? <3

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It was proven that a gay helicopter pilot, who had HIV, flew to a bunch of different cities, and passed it on to his gay partners. HIV Started in monkeys, but a single gay man spread it to mainstream society.

And of course the percentage would be lower. There are less hags.
I am for gay marriage, being bisexual myself.

1. A Bisexual Flight Attendant spread HIV. He slept with close to 800 men and women in a year. Get your facts straight.

2. HIV did start in monkeys, but when we needed plasma for blood transfusions we took it from them and spread it.
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Interestingly enough, promiscuity(non-monogamous)(foolin around) in the homosexual community is RAMPANT, more so than the hetrosexual community. Fact not fiction. You must have spent too much time as a child watching rumper room.
If it's a fact, please support it with some credible proof. Your previous flawed arguments and homophobic stance does make me doubt what you say.
Common sense would say that since 10% of the population is homosexual, their promiscuity would be lower, because they would have a harder time finding a partner.

Did I really spend too much time watching 'rumper room'? That's news to me! In a debate/argument, insulting the person you're proving a point against does you no justice and flaws your argument further.
Especially when I don't even watch kiddy American shows....Since I don't live there. I even had to Google that to find out what it is (which I think you spelt 'Romper' wrong btw). :laugh:
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Yeah, it was a joke. "Rump"er room.

I need proof and you don't. That doesn't make any sense.
Oh a joke! Sorry I didn't get it the first time... *Hilarity ensues* ;)

But you did say it was "Fact Not Fiction" and well, erm... you were wrong. :P
Judging by common sense and what Ichigo Roza Mystica showed, the statement of promiscuity in homosexuals being "RAMPANT, more so than the hetrosexual community" was completely false.
So I was again questioning your sources or whether you had made this 'fact' up.
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Generally speaking, it seems to me that xxscytherxx just makes stuff up as he goes :P

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Generally speaking, it seems to me that xxscytherxx just makes stuff up as he goes :P
No. He has some reason but he doesn't have complete true facts. Just pieces of them.
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Pshhhh, yeah right. Actually, what am I on? A computer. What does a computer have? Internet.

My father is also sitting right next to me. And he would know more than a medical student who goes on a Pokemon site.

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Pshhhh, yeah right. Actually, what am I on? A computer. What does a computer have? Internet.

My father is also sitting right next to me. And he would know more than a medical student who goes on a Pokemon site.
And, from my estimation? He's a lifelong Christian Rightwinger.
Guess where the myth that homosexuals are more promiscuous propagated from? Ding! The Christian Right.

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