The general competitive standard: Rules Page 3

Started by Nightofshadow June 19th, 2007 1:31 PM
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Nightofshadow

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Well what is so wrong for a Ninjask who already learns Double Team to pass Evasion along with speed and some attack?
Every pokemon learns double team lol...(as far as i know)
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Well I did point out who already learns Double Team (meaning it learns it through leveling up). I'd say it is quite a convenience. Heck I'd make a super annoying one.

-Double Team
-Protect
-Swords Dance
-Baton Pass

Well okay I also see the point. DT is a bit broken. But that is what is so fun about it.


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Well I did point out who already learns Double Team (meaning it learns it through leveling up). I'd say it is quite a convenience. Heck I'd make a super annoying one.

-Double Team
-Protect
-Swords Dance
-Baton Pass

Well okay I also see the point. DT is a bit broken. But that is what is so fun about it.
It's not fun if it's used against you. Btw that's a crap moveset, but w/e. Anyway, obviously this all holds true for BrightPowder/Lax Inxense too. I won't even get into the hax of quick claw.

Also, NoS, I wasn't implying you didn't know what you were talking about, I just meant that in general people here don't.

Nightofshadow

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It's not fun if it's used against you. Btw that's a crap moveset, but w/e. Anyway, obviously this all holds true for BrightPowder/Lax Inxense too. I won't even get into the hax of quick claw.

Also, NoS, I wasn't implying you didn't know what you were talking about, I just meant that in general people here don't.
I know man i was messing with you lol
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Every pokemon learns double team lol...(as far as i know)
What about Wobbuffet/Wynaut? xD
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What about Wobbuffet/Wynaut? xD
As far as he knew, which impleis he may have been forgetting something. Anyway, off the top of my head, the 4 pokemon that don't learn DT are the aforementioned Wynaut/Wobbuffet, and also Magikarp and Ditto.
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Yeah, basically any Pokemon that can learn TMs can learn Double Team. So it excludes Pokemon like Magikarp, Ditto, Wobbu, and I think Feebas. Probably a few others, but none of them are really used anyway.

And thanks, but I'm nothing compared to the guys who do the analyses at Smogon. They're really cognizant of everything that's out there. Always manages to blow me away.
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Skarmory, even if it DTed, before it can have a chance to use Spikes or Whirlwind (if it DTed first) giving Alakazam a free Calm Mind, then follow up with Shock Wave. The Skarmory would go down right there. Even if it didnt use DT and went straight for Spikes. Still a free CM turn for Alakazam. With other moves it can have after that one Calm Mind, and with Timid Nature, there goes every other pkmn after Skarmory. There isnt just one way to go about doing things. I have noticed that everyone around here battles so robotically. Like what I tell my friend. Just because serebii.net sais that thats a good move set for a Snorlax. Doesnt mean its the only one. I admit my Diamond team isnt one of the best teams around. But I choose to use something different for a change.

My Emerald team is somewhat
robotic, but with its own touches. (ex: Salamence with DD, Earthquake, Aerial Ace, and Rock Slide. A Milotic with, Surf, Ice Beam, Mirror Coat, and Recover) My Emerald Team is pretty tough. Its the only team I have that can take down 6 Legends without much effort. But whatever, I get tired when people say that its all about tactics when there are a crap load of moves and pokemon. Besides a Spike/Whirlwinding Skarmory. (Which btw it so easy to KO) Skarmory is no threat to me at all.

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Nightofshadow

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Skarmory, even if it DTed, before it can have a chance to use Spikes or Whirlwind (if it DTed first) giving Alakazam a free Calm Mind, then follow up with Shock Wave. The Skarmory would go down right there. Even if it didnt use DT and went straight for Spikes. Still a free CM turn for Alakazam. With other moves it can have after that one Calm Mind, and with Timid Nature, there goes every other pkmn after Skarmory. There isnt just one way to go about doing things. I have noticed that everyone around here battles so robotically. Like what I tell my friend. Just because serebii.net sais that thats a good move set for a Snorlax. Doesnt mean its the only one. I admit my Diamond team isnt one of the best teams around. But I choose to use something different for a change.

My Emerald team is somewhat
robotic, but with its own touches. (ex: Salamence with DD, Earthquake, Aerial Ace, and Rock Slide. A Milotic with, Surf, Ice Beam, Mirror Coat, and Recover) My Emerald Team is pretty tough. Its the only team I have that can take down 6 Legends without much effort. But whatever, I get tired when people say that its all about tactics when there are a crap load of moves and pokemon. Besides a Spike/Whirlwinding Skarmory. (Which btw it so easy to KO) Skarmory is no threat to me at all.

Everly

(its time to think outside the box, this will also be the last time I return here. Way too much of an immature enviroment. Was better off staying in the adult group I was in before)
Who cares? You act like your leaving is some grand gesture and that people actually care if you leave or not. I personally dont. We ARE thinking outside of the box maybe its YOU who isnt. The reason that people have banned these tactics is because they THOUGHT OUTSIDE OF THE BOX OF ALL THE POSSIBILITIES. And thus the reason why those things are infact BANNED in standard play. Now go be an "adult" and get out of here like you said.

As for people who play robotic. I dont play robotic infact i BEAT you with a completely made up team. In YOUR play environment(doubles) I would love to hear the excuse on that one. Oh wait..... YOUR LEAVING.
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Nightofshadow

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Eh, I suppose you have a point. Ill leave it alone. In any case, The rules are their for a reason. Not everyone is going to like it but it for the most part, They are there for peoples best interest
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Yeah, try not to get too upset at each other or anything. ^_^; Other opinions are good for your side—if you can shoot them down, it strengthens your argument. And we all benefit from having our opinions tested. That said, it just feels like the only decent counters for Double Team are too narrow and otherwise worthless. In the case of DT Skarmory, yeah, Shock Wave Alakazam can stop it, but not everyone wants one of those. And it does nothing about a Double Teaming Donphan or Rhyper or anything. If Double Team wasn't such a universal move, then it could be more easily dealt with by analyzing the Pokemon that can learn it. But in DT's case, that's all Pokemon. So there's not really a good solution for it.

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I'd like to contribute the notion that a Calm Mind Alakazam is next to useless. When, except for the rare, rare occasion like the Skarmory example above, would Alakazam ever be able to pull off a CM without taking a physical hit immediately afterward?
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Well yea, Alakazam is pretty frail, but typically it takes at least 2 hits to knock Alakazam out unless you are using a phys sweeper (then again, you may not need that much). and if he survives this long, then (I assume he goes first since he has high spd):

Alakazam CMs
He takes physical attack, hes left with like 10% hp
He uses special attack, may knock out opponent, may not but will do lotsa dmg
If he does knock it out, then he can attack the next Pokémon with a special attack and take a significant chunk of hp out (unless its like Umbry or something). Then Alakazam is knocked out

I guess Alakazam is kinda the Kamikaze Pokémon... I mean many of those letters are in his name! =P
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I'd like to contribute the notion that a Calm Mind Alakazam is next to useless. When, except for the rare, rare occasion like the Skarmory example above, would Alakazam ever be able to pull off a CM without taking a physical hit immediately afterward?
Calm Mind Zam is not useless by any means. Try a set like this: Calm Mind, Psychic, Encore, Focus Blast/filler to hit dark types. Encore a useless move, such as a Blissey's aromatherapy. Proceed to CM up, and then wail away on everything that tries to ruin your fun. Lots of potential here. Even if they don't stay in, you still get a free CM and thus a set-up for an attack.
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Calm Mind seems a lot less prevalent than it used to be, but it's still good. Getting a free one on the switch is probably your best bet. Encore can work, but there's not a lot Alakazam can safely Encore; Blissey would probably switch out due to Focus Blast now. Combined with the very popular 3v3 Life Orb, it can work. It's just that other Pokemon do it better.

Where do I get the Soul Dew BTW?
This isn't the right place for that question. ^_^; There used to be a thread for quick, simple questions but...I don't see it now. So to answer your question, Soul Dew is obtained off of Latios or Latias that are fought with the Eon Ticket event. You'll either need an E-reader with the Eon Ticket card, or to mix records with someone who's already gotten it. This works in Ruby and Sapphire; I'm not sure about its availability in Emerald.

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Updated first post with the tentative accepted tiers
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Where did you get that list from? It seems a little weird, especially in the BL section. I think Crobat's OU if simply because it has a 394 speed Hypnosis with 70 accuracy—up to 77 with Wide Lens. Donphan also seems like OU material, with such high defenses. Vaporeon was OU last gen, and probably still is this one. And I know it's still under debate, but a lot of people think that the 600 base stat special Pokemon should all be uber, even Shaymin and Manaphy.

I'm not saying it's wrong or anything. ^_^; I'm just curious as to where it came from.