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Old July 18th, 2007 (7:56 PM).
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1) Kiss with sp.atk
2)Keep Garchomp
3)Keep Claydol

Guys, I'm gonna need help keeping this thread alive. If it falls too far, bye-bye team.
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Ok here is the little lowdown for Togekiss.

There is a certain speed limit that a Pokemon can reach before no one can outspeed it. most Pokemon are slower then 250. We can pump as much speed into Togekiss and it would be practically a waste. Once Togekiss reaches a certain threshold with her speed not to many Pokemon can outrun her. That is also the same reason Ninjask doesnt get maxed speed. Already a crazy 160 base stat with speed boost.

On the other hand you can never have enough firepower. I want Togekiss to pack a punch even if a Pokemon resists that attack. So yeah max out her special attack. We also have agreed that it is going to be Timid where it gets an extra speed bonus.

As for Garchomp I agree and get rid of Salamence.

As for Claydol I really dont care as long as we have a Rapid Spinner to replace him. I've been vouching for Starmie as of late though as that maybe a great choice. So unless we get a Rapid Spinner to replace it I am going to vote to keep Claydol in.
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Old July 19th, 2007 (3:31 AM).
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I agree that there is a threshold that most pokemon cant pass. We must decide on that threshold. I will change my vote now. If we can out run most pokemon at a certain point, pump the rest of his EV's into Sp.Attack. Salamence is not on the Team anymore Punishment, here is our team right now:

Milotic
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1) Kiss with Max Sp.Attack Votes: 3

2) Kiss with Max Speed Votes:

3) Kiss that is Defensive Votes:

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1) Use Garchomp Votes: 4

2) Dont Use Garchomp Votes:

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1) Rid of Claydol for Magmortar Votes: 1

2) Keep Claydol Votes: 2
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Old July 19th, 2007 (7:07 AM).
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Then lets take out Electrive for Garchomp. :)
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Old July 19th, 2007 (7:18 AM).
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Agreed. im pretty sure everyone will agree to that. So here is the new list, so far:

Claydol
Garchomp
Togekiss
Milotic
Dusknoir
Metagross

We are not done voting. We still need some votes on the Togekiss matter and the Claydol matter. I will probably not get my way with the Magmortar. :( Oh well.
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I did vote. I like Magmotar, but don't know what to give up.
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Old July 19th, 2007 (12:09 PM).
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Well I don't think it matters anymore but i preffer Electivire, but majority rules and they're both powerful pokemon.
I also vote Kiss with maxed Sp.Atk
And I vote we get rid of Claydol, maybe not for Magmortar though, My minds drawing blanks right now.
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Ok, here is the updated votes:

1) Use Garchomp Votes: 4

2) Dont Use Garchomp Votes:

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1) Rid of Claydol for Magmortar Votes: 1

2) Rid of Claydol for something other than Magmortar: 1

3) Keep Claydol Votes: 2

I think its safe to say that we are going with a Max Sp.Attack and a Garchomp, so just focus on the Claydol poll.
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Old July 20th, 2007 (9:57 AM). Edited July 20th, 2007 by Azonic.
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I vote Get rid of Claydol for Mag. And I vote use Garchomp.

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Ok all thats left is the Claydol argument. It is kinda split up in different places. So we are going to one last vote for Claydol. I know you probably dont want to, but im going to ask you to vote on the Claydol thing again, sry. That way i know i have all the right votes. I vote to get rid of Claydol, and put in Mamgortar.
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I vote to get rid of Claydol if we can get a different Rapid Spinner. Otherwise, Skarmory will crap all over this team. >_>
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Or Magmortar which will kick Skarmory's ass flying up to the moon... I'm not sure if Skarmory has one though.

Magmortar with that special attack and a fire type? Skarmory's worst nightmare.
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Yeah, I agree. I vote to take off Claydol for either a Rapid Spinner, or Magmortar. A Spinner as one who takes spikes, but Magmortar can actually do something to Skarmory, and even more, Forretress. But for Skarmory, I'll remind you Starmie gets Thunderbolt.
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I'm not a fan of Starmie, it has a nice movepool, just, it's stats are terrible IMO. Forretress's x4 weaknesses are not fun.

I vote Magmortar.
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Forretress is a great way to absorb spikes and send them back though. Add explosion and you can damage any number of pokemon that normally cause teams trouble

Magnet Rise could be an option to avoid Earthquakes, but I believe he is to slow to pull it off properly
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Forretress doesn't need Magnet Rise, it isn't a weakness.
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Ok, looks like Magmortar still has a chance. :] We should probably wait for Punishment though. He wont like this probably. Im glad he is here to question what we are doing. Keep voting if you havent yet.
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Forretress is a pretty good Rapid Spinner. Not to mention he has access to Spikes, Toxic Spikes and Stealth Rock. He only has one weakness and that is to Steel.

Claydol stays unless we get another Rapid Spinner. The purpose of a Rapid Spinner isnt to counter Skarmory. Also Aerodactyl is becoming quite popular and Magmortar wont be able to counter Aerodactyl as thats one of his weaknesses. Aerodactyl is quick and can pull a Stealth Rock on the team. Thus I didnt like Salamence much. Again I suggest Starmie.

It's stats are not considered horrible at all. In fact it is an OU Pokemon. But I want this team to have some verstatilty. A Rapid Spinner is a must.
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Old July 21st, 2007 (4:32 AM).
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Punishment brings up a good point about Aerodactyl. Punishment, there is only one reason i dont like Starmie. That would mean that 1/2 of our team is weak to electric. I can understand that you just dont send those pokemon out against there weakness, but 1/2? I think that is one too many. That weakness could really be exploited. You have convinced me that Magmortar is wrong, but i still dont want Starmie. I also dont want Claydol. I know we need a rapid spinner, but i dont like any of the pokemon that have it.
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Old July 21st, 2007 (4:56 AM).
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First, i would like to say that this is not official in any way. This is simply the opinion of those who post. I got a lot of good responses for the Defense Thread, and i was critizied for the Attack thread. I realize a pure Defense Team is ok, but a pure attack team isnt. I realize that there is a potential for a lot of argument here, so be kind. Here is the Goal of this thread:

Make the best overall team possible. Sweepers, Walls, ect. It will have as few repeating weaknesses as possiable, and there will be no Legendary pokemon.

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Attack Sweepers: Scizor, Dragonite, Garchomp, Metagross
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Walls: Blissey, Shuckle, Dusknoir, Milotic

I know a lot of people will not agree, so dont tell me that, i know. This is not about what kind of team i want. It is about what the general population thinks the best Overall team is. If you have a suggestion please say why. You dont have to use the above pokemon, they are just suggestions. Dont post if you just want to critize my idea.
This team could get deafeated by a special sweeping Dark ice and dragon type
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Punishment brings up a good point about Aerodactyl. Punishment, there is only one reason i dont like Starmie. That would mean that 1/2 of our team is weak to electric. I can understand that you just dont send those pokemon out against there weakness, but 1/2? I think that is one too many. That weakness could really be exploited. You have convinced me that Magmortar is wrong, but i still dont want Starmie. I also dont want Claydol. I know we need a rapid spinner, but i dont like any of the pokemon that have it.
Garchomp covers the electric problem being resistant to it, and it fast enough to OHKO most electric types with earthquake. Only guy who can give these guys trouble is jolteon but milotic has good enough sp.def to survive a tbolt and on the other hand can KO the fragile Jolteon with Surf. Still, if you're concerned about electric weakness you should keep Claydol. I actually think Claydol is a great fit for this team. He's one of the best rapid spinner/spiker with levitate and good all around stats. I think it's hilarious you guys are trying to find a replacement for him(a spinner no less) when's he's everything you're looking for.

LOL at starmie has poor stats. Starmie is one of the best pokemon around which is why it's so OU, and people say it has poor stats? One of the fastest pokemon, hands down. Great sp.att and good defense stats, excellent movepool.. and someone said it's no good.
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slama, that was posted a month and a half ago. Our team has changed in a million ways since then. And besides, that wasnt a team recommendation, that was a list of pokemon that was only supposed to give an example of what we are trying to do.

Fine, if we have to, its voting time...again:

1)Keep Claydol

2)Go for Starmie

3)Find some other alternative

I guess if we have to have a rapid spinner, ill go with Claydol. Just because i dont want 1/2 our team weak to electirc.
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slama, that was posted a month and a half ago. Our team has changed in a million ways since then. And besides, that wasnt a team recommendation, that was a list of pokemon that was only supposed to give an example of what we are trying to do.

Fine, if we have to, its voting time...again:

1)Keep Claydol

2)Go for Starmie

3)Find some other alternative

I guess if we have to have a rapid spinner, ill go with Claydol. Just because i dont want 1/2 our team weak to electirc.
keep claydol @[email protected] stop being so undecisive. Claydol is perfect for this team for 3 reasons. 1)it's a tank. it can take hits while being immune to electric and other ground attacks while having good base sp.att that he can hit opponents hard with ice beam and earthpower 2)it's a rapid spinner, which is very useful for competitive battling 3)it's can serve as a stealth rocker as well, which is even better.

now tell me you can find a more useful pokemon than that. For a rapid spinner it's easily one of the best. Starmie is the better sweeper but as you said, you're worried about electric attacks.
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So thats two votes for keeping Claydol. Anybody Else?
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