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Old August 9th, 2007 (7:22 AM).
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Doesn't choice band only allow you to use one type of move, but boost your speed? I think that richard steel used trick with an alakazam so I would be trapped in swords dance for it.
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Old August 9th, 2007 (7:26 AM).
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oh, now I understand... for all this time I've been thinking Choice Scarf raises SP. ATK,

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Two things

1)Penguin, we meant Scarf. Band boost Atk, but Scarf boost SPEED, not Sp.Atk. He needs speed most.

2)Mithos, your right, it's risky, but Hera is one of the few pokes who doesn't need to worry about that risk. We can simply swicth him out, his moves are so good they can afford to be stuck.

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Old August 9th, 2007 (7:33 AM).
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no offense but that team fails o_o
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Old August 9th, 2007 (7:35 AM).
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Since when does choice band raise Sp.atk..that would be choice SPECS.
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Old August 9th, 2007 (7:36 AM).
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Blu please don't spam in the future...

and I don't know why but a choiced heracross just doesn't seem right.
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Old August 9th, 2007 (7:39 AM).
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Blu, if you don't have anything to contribute to the topic, don't reply at all. If you think the team is bad, how about helping out rather than just saying it sucks? I'm getting fed up with all the spam here. I'm going to start giving out warnings soon. <.<
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Old August 9th, 2007 (7:44 AM).
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Choice Heracross/Mamoswine is scary...

o.O I say good things at wierd times, Mamoswine Choiced is a good choice... er... desision...

EQ stabbed with Scarf can be a big threat to Electivire
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Old August 9th, 2007 (9:21 AM).
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oh sorry...
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Old August 9th, 2007 (10:54 AM).
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i think choice scarf Heracross is a good choice. Now, lets see if people like this team.

Claydol
Ludicolo
Milotic
Metagross
Heracross
Togkekiss

Look at all the o's and s's. Sry. Anyway, I like this team a lot. I would also like to address Blu. I could care less if you say this team fails with no explination at all. Next time, if you want to insult us, please make sure to tell us how the team fails. I will confess that if a person who has the IQ of drift wood were to use this team, they would probably lose. Thats why its not just the pokemon that make this a really good team, it also depends upon the person using it.

Just tell us if you like the team or not.
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Heracross is a Pokemon I like and can I agree on. ^_^
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Old August 9th, 2007 (12:11 PM).
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I like it. I don't hsve thst dshaking feeling now. That feeling that we are missing something. Now I think we should go over strenghts & weaknesses.
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Old August 9th, 2007 (1:59 PM).
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I don't want to do this again but....as unlikely as it is

An Aerodactyl with Ice Fang, Aerial Ace and Earthquake could take out 2/3 of our team. Of course if we get the Milotic match up I'd say we'd walk away the victor. A Charizard or another dual flying type could hurt us too.

I think I try to hard sometimes. now I know almost all Electivire's are ran with Cross Chop/Brick Break but as Penguinpal has said also. I think Mamoswine (STABed Earthquake) would do us more good than Heracross. But thats just my personal opinion.

And also, I always thought we'd be running with Metagross as our main stay, but the more i look I can't help but notice we're leaning heavely on Milotic. Do we want this, i think Milotic's very reliable so I personally don't have a problem with it.

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Old August 9th, 2007 (2:01 PM).
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The only thing about Garchomp and Flygon is that Electivire will have Ice Punch. Also if we put in Garchomp, we will have three weakness to Ice.
I'd recommend Steelix. Immune to Electivire's Electric moves, + Ice Punch won't be as effective. Here's a moveset:

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Old August 9th, 2007 (2:10 PM).
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O how could I forget about Steelix, except we're looking for a Physical Sweeper and not a wall/Tank. That might cause for major revamp. Thank you for posting something relevant though. We appreciate it.
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I can't help but notice we're leaning heavely on Milotic. Do we want this, i think Milotic's very reliable so I personally don't have a problem with it.

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That is a bit of a problem though. Milotic can take hits and easily defend herself with her attacks but she is gettng alot of weigth.

Then again we do have Ludicolo to pitch in and help.

Steelix would fall to Electrive regardless as most of them also run Earthquake.

Though I still admire the notion of Garchomp as a back up sweeper to Metagross on the team.
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i think choice scarf Heracross is a good choice. Now, lets see if people like this team.

Claydol
Ludicolo
Milotic
Metagross
Heracross
Togkekiss

Look at all the o's and s's. Sry. Anyway, I like this team a lot. I would also like to address Blu. I could care less if you say this team fails with no explination at all. Next time, if you want to insult us, please make sure to tell us how the team fails. I will confess that if a person who has the IQ of drift wood were to use this team, they would probably lose. Thats why its not just the pokemon that make this a really good team, it also depends upon the person using it.

Just tell us if you like the team or not.
Alot of these Pokemon are pretty slow, but i guess Choice Scarf Heracross can be good, as well as Agiligross

Has anyone metioned Choice Scarf Porygon-Z yet? :D


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I'd recommend Steelix. Immune to Electivire's Electric moves, + Ice Punch won't be as effective. Here's a moveset:

Steelix Item: Leftovers
Quirky nature
Earthquake
Iron Tail
Iron Defense
Dragonbreath
?!?!?! Iron Defense?! Dragonbreath?!

Iron Defense: Steelix already has a monstrous defense to absorb almost any Earthquake. Replace this for Stealth Rock.

Dragonbreath: Steelix with a Sp. Attack? I laugh at that.. replace with Rest.
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Ah yes, rushed to the Steelix comment, Earthquake and Cross Chop are not something you want your steelix up aganst for too long. Even though his major defenses help him out.

I stil support Mamoswine, Dragons are everywehre these days. A jolly Garchomp to out run Electivire is a good idea too.........Electivire's not going to survive very long. Its defenses arn't built to take STABed Earthquakes (Mamoswine has that too.)

Edit: We've gone through porygon-Z already it was a little fragile, of course we have a different team now. I think its still coming down to Mamoswine and Garchomp right now. Plus we're looking for physical support.
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Well I think our team has enough support to have three Pokemon weak to Ice types. We have Milotic and Lusicolo with monstrous defense and recovery moves to gobble it up. I like Garchomp because he trumps alot of other Pokemon with his speed. He will outrun an Electrive and smash it to bits.
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I meant jolly Garchomp to out run jolly Electivire. I think we're going to have to wait for everyone elses say in. A adamant Electivire will get killed by any Garchomp though. I still support Mamoswine, though our team is a little slow, maybe Garchomp is the way to go. I'm a little two faced on this.
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I'd also like to review Togekiss' moveset. I just relized she is one of the only few Pokemon that can take SkarmBliss on successfully. Flichhax Togekiss is good but Id rather us counter the metagame.

Ive tried the Timid nature with max speed. It doesnt help out unfortunately. Thunder Wave is not an option because of the likes of Garchomp and especially Electrive. Give Electrive that extra juice and your team is screwed if you dont have a counter.

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Sure Blissey has a huge base HP and decent Sp. Defense but she aint going to be taking those Aurasphere's really well. Especially since Blissey is an easy Pokemon to setup with via Nasty Plot.

Skarmory can simply be dispatched via Flamethrower even without STAB since Togekiss has a massive base Special Attack stat.

If you are also worried about Togekiss' lack of speed Skarmory has a base of 70 and Blissey 55. Togekiss has a base of 80 so she is safe to strike them out first.
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Garchomp doesnt really have much of a problem outrunning Electivire with the right Nature, and Ev's
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well I have an awesome togekiss that looks like this

Togekiss- not sure of nature sorry
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1/3 of EV's in each (not sure of exact numbers) sp. atk, sp. def speed
flamethrower
air slash
aura sphere
roost.

with the sp. def EV's most thunderbolts can't kill him
and he has a 31 in hp so it's pretty high too, he works pretty well for me.
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Nameless your a little late.

Anyways. How well does Wish work on Togekiss, I guess it depends actually on how much defenses your giving it.

Okay Togekiss obviously has a lot of potential, for many different things.
I run my'n modest with 252 Sp. Atk/176 Spd and 80HP. (or 156/100) Its a little odd I know but it gets the job done okay too.
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Its Just a suggestion
but do you think something like Choice Band/Scarf Machamp could do the job ? I mean High Hp, attack, descent defense, it doesnt die to Electrivire and doesnt have a 4x weaknes to Ice like Garchomp.
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