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Old September 13th, 2007 (1:18 PM).
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Old September 13th, 2007 (2:00 PM).
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NOOOOOOOO. Don't say that!! We got so far. We are almost done anyway. All we need now are movesets.
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Old September 13th, 2007 (2:03 PM).
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Give me the team... only THEN I'll post your little movesets :)
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Old September 13th, 2007 (2:16 PM).
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Ehem. This is a TEAM effort. We will be helping with moveselts too!!!

But Cema stated the current team:

Gyarados/Garchomp
Metagross,
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Ludicolo,
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I believe this is the current team. This might need a bit more work.

It might have taken a while, but this is indeed fun.
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Old September 13th, 2007 (2:20 PM).
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Where's our physical wall?
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Old September 13th, 2007 (3:01 PM).
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Where's our physical wall?
That is exactly the problem! This team still is weak against Aerodactyl, and Metagross is NOT the answer sorry
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Old September 14th, 2007 (8:07 AM).
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That is exactly the problem! This team still is weak against Aerodactyl, and Metagross is NOT the answer sorry
Wasn't Claydol suppost to be the wall ?
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I do know that Claydol alone isn't the best wall...alone. I say Ludicolo should be replaced for a Levitating Brozong.
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Old September 14th, 2007 (8:17 AM).
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I do know that Claydol alone isn't the best wall...alone. I say Ludicolo should be replaced for a Levitating Brozong.
3 of the team are weak to electricity namely Gyarados Togekiss and Milotic

and yea Bronzong is great.
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I think we replaced Chomp for Gya. We also have Milotic for the "bulky", I suppose.
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Old September 14th, 2007 (8:28 AM).
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I think we replaced Chomp for Gya. We also have Milotic for the "bulky", I suppose.
Ah ok, but a Bolt Beamer is going to do a number on the team though.


Milotic can be a Physical/Mixed wall with a Rest Talk set.


and the Bronzong you suggested would be good only if we got rid of Metagross,as we are opening up a fire weakness, but i suppose Gyara and Milo can cover up for that .
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Well, a Light Screen Brozong is hard to take down. And Claydol is pretty good against Electric. But we can find a Meta replacement, although I wanted to keep Meta.
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Well, a Light Screen Brozong is hard to take down. And Claydol is pretty good against Electric. But we can find a Meta replacement, although I wanted to keep Meta.
Light Screen Bronzong Is fantastic.

something like this maybe ??

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Yea Metagross is great, but we want as few weaknesses as possible.


also dont Togekiss and Ludicolo do the exactly the same Job ? annoy the hell out of people ?

Should we replace one of those as one is taking up a space ?

EDIT: I also believe we are lacking a Special Sweeper
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That is an excellent set. There is also on a thread Brozong EV's, that you might wanna take into consideration.

Yes, I suggested that we remove Ludicolo, as much as i like grass types. What are some replacements for Meta?
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That is an excellent set. There is also on a thread Brozong EV's, that you might wanna take into consideration.

Yes, I suggested that we remove Ludicolo, as much as i like grass types. What are some replacements for Meta?
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Ive just had a look on smogon to help me with the evs and added rest to it, im not really used to using Zong so i was unsure about the Evs, thats why i just did the 252/252 and 6 .



Instead of Metagross ??, errmm well here are some options that dont add to weaknesses and that are all excellent Physical sweepers, Tyranitar, Gallade, Electivire, Weavile, Scarf Machamp etc..

if not have a look here and see if ther is anythig else that could fit in, in place of Metagross http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/stat/attack.shtml

Now the fact we lack a good special sweeper is a problem....


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Too many special walls now, Bronzong, Togekiss, Claydol, and I personally think Milotic and Ludi are too.
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Brozong will be physical, Milotic might be physical-or dual. We are covered in defense. We need a sp.atker.
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Um, you mean like the togekiss you already have? What you need is a support pokemon, for example Miltank.
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Um, you mean like the togekiss you already have? What you need is a support pokemon, for example Miltank.
Togekiss is an annoyer isnt it in this team (Flinch Hax)??

IMO it does the following much better than sweep:-
Ablity Serene Grace and the Moveset Aura Sphere, Air Slash, Thunderwave and Roost,
the opponent will rarely get a chance to attack just because og its ability which makes Air Slash a 60% Flinch Rate and the other 40% they will be paralyzed , and even if they do get an attack in, you just roost off the damage.


Also i agree with Sims, Milotic is Mixed, Cloydol is a rapid Spinner and Physical wall and Bronzong can be either Physical or Special, but in this case it looks to be special.

Miltank is good but it looks as though everyone has decided on Claydol becasue it can rapid Spin Stealth Rock etc.
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True enough, Azelf. If Kiss is playing the Annoyer, she can't be the sweeper. She can't really play two roles.
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True enough, Azelf. If Kiss is playing the Annoyer, she can't be the sweeper. She can't really play two roles.
Yeah its a much better annoyer, just because of its ability IMO.

So what do you think with replacing Metagross with, i posted some suggestions earlier of what i think could do the job.

well here are some options that dont add to weaknesses and that are all excellent Physical sweepers, Tyranitar, Gallade, Electivire, Weavile, Scarf Machamp etc..

if not have a look here and see if ther is anythig else that could fit in, in place of Metagross http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/stat/attack.shtml

Now the fact we lack a good special sweeper is a problem..

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I say Electrivire, Breloom, TTar, or Chomp. But the most powerful...Flareon.Unbeatable. We won't even need a team with Flare :laugh:

Side note, Dark, are you availible for an IV check?
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I say Electrivire, Breloom, TTar, or Chomp. But the most powerful...Flareon.Unbeatable. We won't even need a team with Flare :laugh:

Side note, Dark, are you availible for an IV check?

Flareon Pwns all XD

Maybe TTAR, not alot can stop it once it gets one or two dragon dance in, likewise with Mixed Elictivire once it gets a motor drive boost, and we also lack an electric attack, and I bleieve Chomp adds to the Ice weakness, so im sceptical about that

so its either TTar or Electivire.


Now for the special sweeper.....meh so many to choose from,

How about Scarfed Porgon-z or Specs Azlkazam, or even Gengar ??


Also sims ill meet you online for that IV battle in a minute.PM me when your ready so we don't spam this thread up lol
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I say Vire. Ttar's Sandstream hurts half our team, limiting Milotic's walling & Gyarados sweeping.
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