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Old September 14th, 2007 (4:13 PM).
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Weakness found Muahahhahahahahaha

Infernape with Focus Sash will kill you

Gyarados is defeated by its Stone Edge
Electivire gets outran and is hit by Close Combat
Blissey is dead from Close Combat
Porygon-Z Outruns and hits him, then theres Focus Sash that'll obliterate you
Bronzong is defeated by a single Fire Blast without Light Screen
Claydol is defeated by Infernape's Grass Knot
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Old September 14th, 2007 (4:14 PM).
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Trying to think like Vainz here, lets forget the team as a whole (because if we're starting over there is no team) and build this one by one. Starting with a Physical Sweeper maybe? Then as we start to rebuild we can worry about weaknesses.

I can sense a major makeover coming so this is basically the same thing.

Edit: this thread is moving WAY to fast today, its odd. Also may i suggest Donphan?
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Old September 14th, 2007 (4:16 PM).
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Trying to think like Vainz here, lets forget the team as a whole (because if we're starting over there is no team) and build this one by one. Starting with a Physical Sweeper maybe? Then as we start to rebuild we can worry about weaknesses.

I can sense a major makeover coming so this is basically the same thing.

Edit: this thread is moving WAY to fast today, its odd. Also may i suggest Donphan?
Infernape's Grass Knot :P
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Old September 14th, 2007 (4:18 PM).
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No, its perfect. The thread should move like this. So we are starting over? Cool. First, lets discuss the roles we need. I miss Vainz, Wooty, and Parnoia...
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Honestly Infernape doesn't scare me at all, and a good physical walling dominant Donphan should be able to take a Grass Knot and finish off Infernape.
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Donphan is an awesome Pokemon. Obviously Infernape counters alot of things but it is rather fragile.

I vouch for it too. 90 HP / 120 Atk / 120 Def is way above average. With support moves and STAB EQ it rocks.

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No, its perfect. The thread should move like this. So we are starting over? Cool. First, lets discuss the roles we need. I miss Vainz, Wooty, and Parnoia...
Vainz : Coma
Wooty : ... Inactive
Paranoia : Invisible and Inactive

*Starts with Jolteon*

Jolteon will eliminate the common Swampert with Hidden Power Grass, and Shadow Ball with Thunderbolt makes a pretty darn decent Sp. Sweeper. It also gets rid of Gyarados, who usually switches out on Electivire to gain Speed Boost, but it still wont be able to outrun Jolteon.
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I prefer the Sub passing Jolteon instead.

Jolteon
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-Baton Pass

Sub lets it scout. HP Ice os for those pesky Dragons. Tbolt for Skarm and water types. BP for passing Sub or escaping from Dugtrio.

Shadow Ball is nice but when ur up against big bad Bliss what are you gonna do? And if your opponent knows you are running SB it is a free switch for a normal type such as Bliss. >.<
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I prefer the Sub passing Jolteon instead.

Jolteon
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-Baton Pass

Sub lets it scout. HP Ice os for those pesky Dragons. Tbolt for Skarm and water types. BP for passing Sub or escaping from Dugtrio.

Shadow Ball is nice but when ur up against big bad Bliss what are you gonna do? And if your opponent knows you are running SB it is a free switch for a normal type such as Bliss. >.<
I thought you suggested Donphan :o Blissey wont dent Donphan too much
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Then we replace Claydol. We're not starting over?
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Okay here are my thoughts.

Jolteon - Lead Pokemon
Blissey - Special Sponge
Bronzong - Physical Wall
Donphan - Physical Wall
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Old September 14th, 2007 (6:47 PM).
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Donphan's more under the category of physical Tank. Does he need any HP EV's though? Or are we just focused on setting up pokes first.

And just throwing two more names out there, that have been discussed before. Gengar and Dragonite? Gengar gives us speed and Dragonite has decent Sp. Def( not like Blissey doesn't have enough).
Defense (and speed) win Championships right. Only problem is we have two weak to ground and I'm not sure if we have a suited counter.
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Well Bronzong with Levitate ignores that Ground weakness. The last two spots are for sweepers. Preferably physical.
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Old September 14th, 2007 (8:26 PM).
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I forgot jolteon was special dominant, always think he's physical. Still if we go BPing one that doesn't give us a special sweeper.

We could try mixed Salamence maybe.....?
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So we are offically keeping Pory?
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I'm doubting it as of right now. Everyone else hasn't mentioned him for awhile. What we need is more imput.
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Well, everyone seems asleep. So we can wait till tommorrow. But you and I can talk about different sweepers while we are here. Any suggestions?

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Well, everyone seems asleep. So we can wait till tommorrow. But you and I can talk about different sweepers while we are here. Any suggestions?

Today is my B-DAY!!!
Happy B-Day Sims, have a great day


also in regards to the team using the other four punishment posted, i put the last two pokemon in,

Jolteon - Lead Pokemon
Blissey - Special Sponge
Bronzong - Physical Wall
Donphan - Physical Wall
Scarf'd/Choice Band Heracross- Physical Sweeper
Specs Mence / Specs Zam /Gengar/Starmie - Special Sweeper



Do you thing those would do the job?

I know it opens up an ice weakness if Mence is in, but i figured Blissey can wall those with ease if there special, likewise with zong if its a physical ice move.Anyways i put other pokemon apart from Specs Mence i thought could fill the role of Special Sweeper.I also thought that Choice Band > Choice Scarf in this situation, simply due to the fact that it would be scary if it got baton passed speed from Jolteon, and we've already got enough coverage for its x4 flying weakness.I also believe we lack water type moves, which is why Specs mence is there as an option and which is why i also put in starmie.
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We lack an Ice and Water moves. Well as the current line up is strong against electric types Milotic could work in this team. Same with Starmie. Depends if you want a bulkier Pokemon or a faster one. Tauntrados could work too for a physical water type move. But we need a Beamer.
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So I say boltbeamer. Any good one.
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So I say boltbeamer. Any good one.
Porygon-Z makes a good one.
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Happy B-Day Sims!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I like CS Pinsir better than Heracross but I don't think we need it with Donphan.
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Happy B-Day Sims!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I like CS Pinsir better than Heracross but I don't think we need it with Donphan.
The reason Pinsir isnt used is because it is NOT part fighting, makes it very bad doesnt it? :\
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It loses Stab from Close Combat but it doesn't have a 4x weakness to Aerial Ace. Its not that inferieur actually.

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You guys should consider Tangrowth for a physichal wall with special moves. With Leech Seed and Stun Spore, he's pretty sweet.
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