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Old September 27th, 2007 (1:42 PM).
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Ya HP water instead of what? I'm more of a Dragonite supporter anyways. It was boltbeaming STABed Surf and Psychic i liked. I like Gengar better too, but besides resistances its movepool still isn't as valuable.
STABed Psychic is never used, in fact if Rapid Spin doesnt cover the fourth move of Psychic it's going to be Grass Knot which covers the Swampert walling

sims it doesn't matter now compared Gengar and Starmie's special attack, Gengar has 30+ base special attack stat, so if the Hidden Power is 70, it would STILL be stronger than Starmie's Ice Beam ---
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Old September 27th, 2007 (1:44 PM).
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Sims, Im saying use ICE PUNCH and HP Water. Both are tyopes we need, acceptable moves, and offers coverage and skills.
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120 base power's still good, but i agree if we go HP water on Gengar we can get rid of Starmie.

But I'm still thinking DNite's better than Weavile here. I'm not thinking that hard though....
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Old September 27th, 2007 (2:02 PM).
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Unkess we get Dragonite with ICe Punch, Weavile is still prefered for speed and coverage. Plus his fighting weakness is covered by Gengar.
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Old September 27th, 2007 (2:03 PM).
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DNite because it can switch in with ease after you predict either a Fighting move on Blissey or Fire move on Bronzong :)
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Old September 27th, 2007 (2:04 PM).
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Fine. Gengar it is. Blissey better be an Aromatherapist.
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1381, and DD, helps it gain speed on Weavile. I like Dragonite with TP better.
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1381? Are we shouting random numbers, cause I want in.

I don't care what we lose, but we need another physical sweeper. Dnite ain't enough. Phanny is a so so substitute. But Nite has a VERY common weakness. I'm not saying we should lose him, but another sweeper is in order. Are we sticking with Weavile?
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1381? Are we shouting random numbers, cause I want in.

I don't care what we lose, but we need another physical sweeper. Dnite ain't enough. Phanny is a so so substitute. But Nite has a VERY common weakness. I'm not saying we should lose him, but another sweeper is in order. Are we sticking with Weavile?
Know what sims? The ONLY thing that can give Dragonite a hard time is an Ice Sharder because a Beamer isn't able to outrun a Dragonite with Max Speed and a DD. I doubt Ice Shard will 1HKO Dragonite anyways
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Old September 27th, 2007 (2:15 PM).
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Im with sims, and he said it because it was the post number I believe. and Weaviles biggest weak is fighting, much less common.
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That's why i love Dnite with a couple Sp.Def ev's he can survive an Icebeam sometimes.

And the random number was a Count To Infinty thread habit.

We Got Dnite and Donphan and most team's have more Physical walls than specials walls so we show them all our special attackers.

FIGHT MUCH LESS COMMON???????????????????/Ice may be super common but Fighting is everywhere. and its 4x weakness. Not to mention Bug, Fire etc.
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Fine. So just one sweeper then. Lets see how that works.
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Old September 27th, 2007 (2:22 PM).
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Who would we replace anyways? Blissey? Donphan Bronzong and Dragonite/Weavile are enough.
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Donphan is not to be underestimated. In fact his STABed EQ is almost enough to take EQ off DNite, not that i suggest that. That way we can take down Metagross'
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Old September 27th, 2007 (2:26 PM).
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Metagross would be perfect except Bronzong fills his type. And DDnite is starting to grow on me.
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Take down not for our team, so say.

switch in Dragonite on Metagross. We use DD it uses Agility, bam EQ! and no more Metagross.
I doubt that would happen but still you want that coverage.
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Old September 28th, 2007 (3:16 PM).
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Metagross would switch out, plus it can survive an earthquake probably, with the right EV's. And i agree now, DDnite.
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Dragonite also has surprising bulk...it can take a few more hits than you'd think.
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Where the hell did you come from? Honestly, its about time you joined this conversation, I was wondering when you would come. Welcome to the team!
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Where the hell did you come from? Honestly, its about time you joined this conversation, I was wondering when you would come. Welcome to the team!
I haven't posted here in awhile to, I need to be updated. So whom are we duscussing about using? (Lol'ed at whom, it came out of nowhere. Honestly).
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Where the hell did you come from? Honestly, its about time you joined this conversation, I was wondering when you would come. Welcome to the team!
I've posted a few times...when I joined PC a few months back (no so long ago, feels like forever...in a good way) this thread was already popular and I was too n00bish anyways. But Dragonite is one of my all-time favorites, so ignore me hyping it. But it pulls off the DD set better than Mence IMO...

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I've posted a few times...when I joined PC a few months back (no so long ago, feels like forever...in a good way) this thread was already popular and I was too n00bish anyways. But Dragonite is one of my all-time favorites, so ignore me hyping it. But it pulls off the DD set better than Mence IMO...

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You can run Yache Berry/Lefties for the item as well. Also, DD Means Dragon Dance, and EQ means Earthquake.
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You can run Yache Berry/Lefties for the item as well. Also, DD Means Dragon Dance, and EQ means Earthquake.
Well, yes, I know that...why would I post it if I didn't know what it meant? And life orb gives it unimaginable power...trust me. Ledfties are okay, and outrage beats any boltbeamer who wants to switch into Dnite. You DD, they switch in, and you OHKO them...but it must watch out for weavile.
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Well, yes, I know that...why would I post it if I didn't know what it meant? And life orb gives it unimaginable power...trust me. Ledfties are okay, and outrage beats any boltbeamer who wants to switch into Dnite. You DD, they switch in, and you OHKO them...but it must watch out for weavile.
No, I meant to cover it up for newbies, who would otherwise ask "What is EQ and DD"?
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Then they should not be on this thread, if they don't know what that means.
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