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Old October 8th, 2007 (12:51 PM).
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Ok, what do you suggest as an alternative? The desire lately seems to be for a fast sweeper, and the main choice that resists Ice is Weavile. I guess Infernape also resists Ice too.
Fast sweeper... Pachirisu No. Starmie? Choice Scarf, Jolly Kingler? Sceptile? Agiligross? Porygon-Z? All good options, how are you missing these?
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Infernape is cool. Just bear in mind we still have 3 other Pokemon weak to Ice, and Infernape won't cover that weakness on his own with most Ice Beam users being Water type and usually some Def EV (Milotic anyone?).
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Infernape is cool. Just bear in mind we still have 3 other Pokemon weak to Ice, and Infernape won't cover that weakness on his own with most Ice Beam users being Water type and usually some Def EV (Milotic anyone?).
But it doesn't matter about "Coolness" on the poke, their Base Stats, and movepool, are what counts. Infernape has a low base attack, but can get STAB and Power on CC. So it's a viable option.
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Infernape is cool. Just bear in mind we still have 3 other Pokemon weak to Ice, and Infernape won't cover that weakness on his own with most Ice Beam users being Water type and usually some Def EV (Milotic anyone?).
Shall we put in Foretress/Bronzong instead of Tangrowth ?

Or Get rid of Draggy/Chomp and put in Agiligross ?
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Old October 8th, 2007 (12:56 PM).
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Shall we put in Foretress/Bronzong instead of Tangrowth ?

Or Get rid of Draggy/Chomp and put in Agiligross ?
Who's Draggy? Dragonite? Both walls are good, but I vote Agiligross.
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Itachi, Toothache didn't mean Infernape as "cool", he said it's ok in the team. Infernape is a must stay, trust me
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Who's Draggy? Dragonite? Both walls are good, but I vote Agiligross.
Yep Draggy is Dragonite.


Since we are running Bliss why not run Skarm aswell XD

But anyways i say Zong or Forretress as physicall wall to cover the gaping ice weakness
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Itachi, Toothache didn't mean Infernape as "cool", he said it's ok in the team. Infernape is a must stay, trust me
Okay. And yes, I agree on the last part. He is OU, has a lot of cool options to choose from, has great speed, and can outspeed and get a Grass Knot/T-Punch in on Water Types. I would go for T-Punch to counter Starmie. Edit: Skarmbliss, sounds good. Edit: II: Agiligross resists Ice too.
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Agiligross is not a boltbeam counter :P BoltBeam counter = Blissey
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Now we are going in circles. We lose a poke, then bring it right back! Didn't we get rid of Brozong for a speedy poke? But if we must, lets replace him (again) for Tangrowth.
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In regards to Infenape


[email protected] Orb/Focus Sash
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evs: 24atk/232speed/252sp.atk
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what do you think? its a bit standard, but it works wonders and to say this is good at taking out walls is an understatement,
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I say Stone Edge should be there...but thats just me.
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[email protected] Orb/Focus Sash
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what do you think? its a bit standard, but it works wonders and to say this is good at taking out walls is an understatement,
Name has suggested a simular set. Focus sash is the better item though, to survive a attack to usually get two Nasty Plots in. If a faster counter hasen't already been sent out, or if a pokemon Dd'ed up.
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Name has suggested a simular set. Focus sash is the better item though, to survive a attack to usually get two Nasty Plots in. If a faster counter hasen't already been sent out, or if a pokemon Dd'ed up.
Yea thats why i put focus sash as an option

Also Stone Edge Can work in the Place of Nasty Plot or even Thuderpunch can work for stuff like Gyarados
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Infernape requires Stone Edge for Mence/Togekiss/Charizard/Gyarados/Dragonite(too any to list)

It goes good coverage with Fight+Rock combo.

EDIT: Thunderpunch is also an okay option.
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Old October 8th, 2007 (2:23 PM).
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We need Tangrowth. Tangrowth as status inflictor/wall, he can take Ice Punch/Fang easily. The REAL issue here is if Nape serves more purpose than Weavile, and it depends, Weavile can take down so many Pokemonn with its hugely diverse moveset, but Nape has the aspect of being mixed and also defying ice. Nape gets my vote, as well as Garchomp because we need speed.
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Do you know why we added Bronzong... Boltbeam resistance

And now you've taken him out of the picture and suddenly complaining about an Ice weakness... yeah makes sense *rolls eyes*

Tangrowth or Donphan need to go if we are that worried about Ice attacks... I'm sorry but Bronzong provides too many good resistances to be discarded without a second thought
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Old October 8th, 2007 (2:31 PM).
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Dragonite is still more effective than Garchomp, he has the defense to pull of a DD which solves his personal speed problem. And Angelic Diablo's right about Bronzong.
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Old October 8th, 2007 (2:33 PM).
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If we HAVE to lose one, Tangrowth is an awesome poke and a serious status inflictor, but since physical tanks that are ice resistant are rare anyways, we still need him more than Donphan, plus Tangrowth only REALY fear of moves are Flamthrower and Ice Beam, and mine has taken ice Beams standing.
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Well if we remove Donphan, I suggest Starmie as our spinner, faster, bulky and doesnt add to an Ice weakness
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And then we would still need an SRer, just realized that! We cant remove Donphan because we need him to Stealth Rock. Then Tangrowth for Bronzong it is, even though thats going back to where we're going to remove him later.
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Ya we Need Donphan more for SR and Rapid Spinning. I just realised I hate Garchomp.
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Old October 8th, 2007 (3:35 PM).
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Old October 8th, 2007 (3:42 PM).
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We Dont NEED a speicla sweeper right now, we;re talking about mixed.
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[email protected] Claw(His insanely high speed+this=1st attacker)
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Thanks for the input but we need the best and Manectric can't compete with some other special sweepers.

And three (attacking) moves of the same type is a nono. You didn't specify the HP type.
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