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Hippowdon vs Donphan

You are forgetting Hippo gets Ice Fang, so physical dragons can't really threaten it. It can take special hits better than Donphan, and Slack Off the damage.

Also, Donphan and Gliscor on the same team? Overdoing it. If you want a spinner just use Starmie. No ice weak and can be the solution to many threats.
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Ok NO HIPPOWDON! Is EVERYONE foregtting Sandstream! It'll hurt us too, so Donphan stays, and we can keep a spinner. Gengar beats Starmie, with its resistances, switching in on Earthquakes, Close Combats, Returns, blah blah balh gives us a killer edge on Choice itemed users.

And Im saying Bronzong over Gliscor, rewriting the team right now its

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So Im saying yes to Electivire.
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Sandstorm + Leftovers = zero damage or healing each turn iirc.
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Duh, but that takes away leftovers anyways, still hurting the team, Donphna is the better option.
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Ok NO HIPPOWDON! Is EVERYONE foregtting Sandstream! It'll hurt us too, so Donphan stays, and we can keep a spinner. Gengar beats Starmie, with its resistances, switching in on Earthquakes, Close Combats, Returns, blah blah balh gives us a killer edge on Choice itemed users.

And Im saying Bronzong over Gliscor, rewriting the team right now its

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So Im saying yes to Electivire.
Your gonna have to scarf E-vire seeing as your not packing any T-Bolt bait. Like Gyarados or whatever which fails anyway as all good players know whats coming when you switch your t-bolt bait into something packing T-Bolt. Someone did it to me on shoddy, my Heatran has Hidden power Electric, he switched in Gyarados, i knew what was coming and the Electivre got a lovely Earth Power.

Honestly E-Vire is overrated, even if it does get a motor drive your forced to switch out due to it being so easy to wall, eg : - Dusknoir, Spiritomb, Cressellia, Tangrowth, Donphan, Forretress, Hippowdon etc.

Either Hera or Dragons please >> Evire any day.
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Well I have no experience with Donphan or Hippowdon, so I can't really help with a strategy or set for it. My ideas would just be tests, I guess.
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I prefer mixed-vre, with Flamthrower its a much bigger threat, but I suppose, Electivire actually has a very diverse movepool, he;s just walled by psychics and ghosts.
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I prefer mixed-vre, with Flamthrower its a much bigger threat, but I suppose, Electivire actually has a very diverse movepool, he;s just walled by psychics and ghosts.
Dont we need a physical sweeper ? We already have Mixape for mix sweeping
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Yeah, so Heracross then? He has a diverse movepool, and wreaks havoc on many teams that are unprepared.
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When did we decide Bronzong over Gliscor?
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Im not entirely sure, but I think Bronzong is the better option here.
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We need to discuss all options. We can't jump on what seems best at first-that's how constant backtracking starts. & We also must hear out all opinions before a poke is added to our currennt list.

I dislike his Fire weakness to a degree. But if that's the case, Forry is also an option.
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Hmm, but if we use Gliscor, we get an inhanced ice weak, so unless we use a physical attacker that can take ice hits, then we have a problem.
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I didn't say keep Gliscor. I said consider all options. There are better Hera counters than Bronzong around, so we must be on the lookout. I say that because this is about the 4th time Bronzong was mentioned after constantly being added & dropped. That was from rash decisions.
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Hmm, then what do you suggest? So far Bronzong looks pretty good, Donphan can take a lot of hits from Heracross as well.
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I don't know what Hera has that is even a threat to Donphan. Forry is a decent counter, but using both Donphan & Forry is redundant. You know what would be nice? A baton-passer. That is a nice little role to have. Maybe Scizor?

I guess Hera. For the physical sweeper.
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Ok NO HIPPOWDON! Is EVERYONE foregtting Sandstream! It'll hurt us too, so Donphan stays, and we can keep a spinner. Gengar beats Starmie, with its resistances, switching in on Earthquakes, Close Combats, Returns, blah blah balh gives us a killer edge on Choice itemed users.

And Im saying Bronzong over Gliscor, rewriting the team right now its

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So Im saying yes to Electivire.
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This is true. So when you use Hippo's Sadnstorm, Bronzong can't be hit, plus you got two walls. And with Bronzong's Trick Room boosting Hippowdon's Speed, it equals=UH OH for the opponents.
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Ok NO HIPPOWDON! Is EVERYONE foregtting Sandstream! It'll hurt us too, so Donphan stays, and we can keep a spinner. Gengar beats Starmie, with its resistances, switching in on Earthquakes, Close Combats, Returns, blah blah balh gives us a killer edge on Choice itemed users.
Your point is? Why not have both? You just need to get rid of Weavile first.

Starmie can switch on Infernape, Gyarados, Garchomp - 3 of the biggest threats in the game, and threaten to 1HKO, while being able to spin. Ice Shard from Donphan doesn't even nearly kills Garchomp or Salamence who might carry Draco Meteor and end him.
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Then we will lack a wall. & a Phazer/Stealth Rocker.

We backtrack too much. We said Starmie before.

I say no Hippowdon. I never liked Sandstorm, it hurts our team.


& jb, if Bronzong uses Trick Room, WE will get hurt the most. Just about all of our pokes are fast. Trick Room will make them all go last. Except Bronzong & Hippowdon. Oooo.
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But trick Room and Sand Stream only last 5 turns. that's what walls are for. To take hits and stall time to weaken the opponents. And If you don't wat Hippo's Sand Stream, you can always switch it out.
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But trick Room and Sand Stream only last 5 turns. that's what walls are for. To take hits and stall time to weaken the opponents. And If you don't wat Hippo's Sand Stream, you can always switch it out.
lolwut ?

Sandstream lasts the whole match

Trick room does nothing but hurt us, our team is too fast for it.


Although i agree with Syaoran, Starmie is arguably the best Rapid Spinner and should be considered.
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Donphan or Starmie as rapid spinner heres differences.

Donphan:
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Only weak to grass ice and water <- Water and ice are pretty popular.
Good moveset
high attack and defence base stats

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Boltbeamer
only weak to electric, grass, bug, and dark. <- dark and electric moves are pretty popular
rapid spinner
higher speed base

So their pretty much the same, take Donphan for less super effectiveness or take Starmie for speed I guess.
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Donphan or Starmie as rapid spinner heres differences.

Donphan:
Pros:
ice shard
rapid spinner
Only weak to grass ice and water <- Water and ice are pretty popular.
Good moveset
high attack and defence base stats

Starmie:
Pros:
Boltbeamer
only weak to electric, grass, bug, and dark. <- dark and electric moves are pretty popular
rapid spinner
higher speed base

So their pretty much the same, take Donphan for less super effectiveness or take Starmie for speed I guess.

I say starmie >> Donphan.

Just because we have Gliscor as a physical wall and we sort of die to mixape.
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But trick Room and Sand Stream only last 5 turns. that's what walls are for. To take hits and stall time to weaken the opponents. And If you don't wat Hippo's Sand Stream, you can always switch it out.
I must agree with Dark Azelf. You really think that they will allow us to stay for 5 WOLE TURNS? Ya need to do a bit of research first. As Azelf said, Sandstorm last THE WHOLE MATCH.

As for Trick Room, again, you think they will stay for 5 WHOLE TURNS? What self respecting opponent will allow your wall to stay for that long? Trick Room hits the whole team, & should never be used just for one poke.



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Donphan or Starmie as rapid spinner heres differences.

Donphan:
Pros:
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Only weak to grass ice and water <- Water and ice are pretty popular.
Good moveset
high attack and defence base stats

Starmie:
Pros:
Boltbeamer
only weak to electric, grass, bug, and dark. <- dark and electric moves are pretty popular
rapid spinner
higher speed base

So their pretty much the same, take Donphan for less super effectiveness or take Starmie for speed I guess.
Not really. One is a true blue wall, which we will lose without Donphan. One is, well, Starmie. You know.
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Sims arnt we going a bit overkill though on physical walls, i mean we have Gliscor, thats enough, starmie is spinner and can fit in nicely where Donphan is and as i said before to stop mixape obliteration.
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