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Started by Midnight Beat July 26th, 2007 10:04 PM
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Uh, right. And while you get gored by a wild water buffalo or mauled by a bear, I'll just sit back with an Accuracy International L115A1 and put five .338 Lapua Magnum rounds in the designated target from a reasonably safe distance. What you call cowardice, I call practicality; what you call manliness, I call suicidal recklessness.

That said, I have no problem with hunting for sustenance. Hunting for sport is perfectly fine as well, as long as it's done within legal boundaries.

As for the slaughterhouse aspect of this discussion, yes, I have been to one. The actual process of killing the animal isn't as disgusting as the animal-rights activists let on, really.
Reckless, yes. Suicidal, heck no.

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I do have limits...I'm not gonna fight a Bear. I'd go as far as a stag.

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a lot people in my family hunt including me I just think depends on what you are hunting like when I feasnt stuff cook I do not care I just like the sport but deer that is diffrent I don't really want to take the shot when I start doing deer soon I don't I am just mix feelings n hunting.
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I'm an avid hunter myself. I'd like to take this message as an opportunity to clear up some misconceptions that many people have about hunting.
-If humans didn't kill the animals they would be over populated and die of starvation, which is more painful than being shot.
-Hunting is not a cruel sport, nor is it unfair. It is very difficult to find a deer in the wild that is legal to be shot. It takes a great deal of skill and patience.
-Most of the time you don't even see any deer or whatever animal you are hunting while you are on the hunt, so most of the joy comes from being out in nature.
-Animals don't suffer much from being shot with a hunting rifle's round. They are big enough to put the animal down without much pain at all. A skilled hunter is able to hit the heart, which causes a death in less than 30 seconds. Much less painful than the week or so it takes a deer to starve to death.

Other things I would like to say is that in America (at least in most places) we have the right to hunt. You have the right to say you don't agree with it or whatever, but you shouldn't try to stop someone on their right to hunt.
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I know...my family members who hunt have told me all that. I'd just rather they didn't go out and kill innocent, defenseless things they don't need for their own survival. I prefer to shoot animals with cameras, live and let live. I respect your right to hunt...I just would never do it unless I had to.

I'm at least glad that they do eat them and not waste any...but even then...
I'm pretty sure you can get just about as much protein from eating lentils as from meat, without all the fat and junk that comes with it. =/


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I know...my family members who hunt have told me all that. I'd just rather they didn't go out and kill innocent, defenseless things they don't need for their own survival. I prefer to shoot animals with cameras, live and let live. I respect your right to hunt...I just would never do it unless I had to.

I'm at least glad that they do eat them and not waste any...but even then...
I'm pretty sure you can get just about as much protein from eating lentils as from meat, without all the fat and junk that comes with it. =/
I respect what you are saying. I'd also like to point out that there is no difference between hunting in the woods, and shopping for meats at the grocery store. Either way an animal is killed that you don't technically need for you survival. By killing an animal yourself you are just cutting out the middle man.

Where I live hunting has a great tradition of being a way that a father bonds with his son. I started hunting with my dad on my tenth birthday (which coincidentally was the first day of hunting season that year), and it has been good times ever since.


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Well, you think about it. All the animals in the wilderness, except for the herbivores, they all kill other animals to eat. So if we copy their example and do so, then I suppose that's fine. But in the case of the wolves, where we are slaughtering them because they scare us and because they are hunting the elk we want to hunt for sport, then I highly disapprove of this. Captain Jack Sparrow says, "Absolutely not, mate!"

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Sometimes wolves are killed because they are a threat to someones life. They are quite viscous.


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I respect what you are saying. I'd also like to point out that there is no difference between hunting in the woods, and shopping for meats at the grocery store. Either way an animal is killed that you don't technically need for you survival. By killing an animal yourself you are just cutting out the middle man.

Where I live hunting has a great tradition of being a way that a father bonds with his son. I started hunting with my dad on my tenth birthday (which coincidentally was the first day of hunting season that year), and it has been good times ever since.

Exactly right, there is no difference. At least my dad won't buy veal because he knows how cruel the methods are to get it.

And wolves...I agree, CJS. And they're unlikely to harm anyone..much less than dogs are, anyway, who don't fear people.


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Hmm.. to this guy I would just like to address some of the points you've made, I respect that you hunt for food but still find it difficult to understand how it can be done as a 'sport'. So don't mind if I tear apart your argument. ;)
In my opinion, killing should only be done when it is a necessity (food for example), I completely fail to see how hunting for 'enjoyment' comes under this idea.

-If humans didn't kill the animals they would be over populated and die of starvation, which is more painful than being shot.
As a biologist, I can say that this is incorrect. In a community of animals, without humans 'picking them off' there would be no difference.
When hunters do kill large numbers of wild animals, it just lets the remaining to breed further and with the resources available causing the population to increase back to the same number. Also this affects other animals in the community, including predators, prey, detritivores and plants, putting these numbers out of place, causing futher mishaps inside the community until it eventually stabilises.
Also, it would be fair to assume that the environment of the game is one (e.g a forest) that has plentiful resources to support the organisms, making 'death by starvation' inside an environment quite difficult. Not all hunted animals breed at alarming rates and not all animals end up starving to death.

-Hunting is not a cruel sport, nor is it unfair. It is very difficult to find a deer in the wild that is legal to be shot. It takes a great deal of skill and patience.
-Most of the time you don't even see any deer or whatever animal you are hunting while you are on the hunt, so most of the joy comes from being out in nature.
This just made me laugh.
Firstly, not a cruel sport? Well I would mind being shot dead that's for sure, and I'm sure other animals would too. Animal instinct is to survive, sorry, but killing one for fun IS cruel.
Humans are animals too, if someone tried to kill you for a buzz- you would find that ok?
Also not being 'unfair' is ridiculous. Well, yes it is unfair. So what if it's difficult to find something to blast at? That doesn't make it even for the animal. It's impossible for the animal to win 'the game'.
All the animal can do is try to survive by running and hiding, wheras hunters have a simple task off pulling a trigger at it. How you can think that a hunter is on even grounds with wild animals bemuses me.

Also if most of the 'joy comes from being out in nature' why not just go out walking, without the intention of destroying a part of it?
Environments are maintained by steady populations and relationships of the organisms in it. When you kill a number of wild creatures, it disrupts these relationships, rarely doing any benefit to the community.

-Animals don't suffer much from being shot with a hunting rifle's round. They are big enough to put the animal down without much pain at all. A skilled hunter is able to hit the heart, which causes a death in less than 30 seconds. Much less painful than the week or so it takes a deer to starve to death.
Again, not all animals starve to death, matter of fact very few do. Especially ones that live in suitable habitats (i.e. deers in a forest), it's called adaptation.
It appears that you are trying to say that it's is better for the animal to be shot dead rather than die naturally? What about animals that are healthy? In terms of suffering, what about the knock on effect to predators or family that rely on it? What about unskilled hunters, should they not be allowed to kill because the animal would suffer even more?

Eitherway, even if it didn't suffer, a life has been lost, and for what? entertainment? That hardly seems necessary or justifiable.
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*applauds jwilso72 vigorously* I couldn't possibly agree more with everything you said.
It seems to me that the species with the biggest overpopulation problem is our own...of course everyone is always so shocked and cries, "How can you compare another animal with a human?!", but I don't see why not. You don't have to go so far as to totally equate them to simply realize that they're not all that different from you, and that it would probably be a better choice *not* to take the other creature's life than to take it. "There are still so many others." I don't care how many other people there are, I don't want you to kill me. The animal's life is valuable to it and IMO, we think far too much of ourselves, believing we're in a place to judge that that's unimportant.


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Despite the fact that I am an omnivore, I belive that hunting is wrong. Let me explain:
Alright well if you are going to eat what you hunt it's fine, but if youa re doing it for pure sport then it's really wrong. I myself don't really think that just because we have thumbs gives us the right to kill other animals for sport.
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Eitherway, even if it didn't suffer, a life has been lost, and for what? entertainment? That hardly seems necessary or justifiable.
I read your post but saw you come from England. I am sorry that you have no right to own a firearm and experience hunting for yourself.

If you don't believe in hunting, than I hope for your sake you are a vegan. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.


Another thing, Most hunters eat what they kill. Venison is quite delicious.


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See, I think it's okay for hunting on certain standards. Hunters usually kill bigger game like bear to show off for money (Fur, hides and crap) If there is an overabundance in a species, hunting is cool to me as well. The only hunting I don't like is if someone kills a rabbit for the heck of it. WTF! Don't kill the poor bunnies...
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Sometimes wolves are killed because they are a threat to someones life. They are quite viscous.
Oh god I might vomit.

Wolves are actually fairly docile, but if you threaten or provoke them, they attack. It's a common miscomception. And anyways, the hunter shouldn't blame the wolves; it's their fault. The wolves are just defending their territory, themselves and their pack, which is a very noble thing unlike what hunters do.

Hunting because of over population is fine by me as long as it's actually true, which in most cases it isn't.

Hmm..My dad bought veal once. I flipped him off, gave him a verbal beating and then refused to eat it.

By the way, jwliso, very well said. I completely agree.
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Before I address your next post, your points would be more appreciated and understandable if you responded to my counter arguments (i.e. my earlier post) if you can back up your earlier points.

I read your post but saw you come from England. I am sorry that you have no right to own a firearm and experience hunting for yourself.
Because I come from England, does not make my argument any less valid.
For your information, yes we do have hunting here and 90%+ is done as a recreation not for sport. Being a legal adult, I do have right to own a weapon and blast some creatures, but obviously chose the right not to.
Deer’s, birds and others are hunted. In UK, Fox hunting is a prime example I can use, foxes are chased on horseback alongside dogs and either trampled, stabbed, ripped apart or shot to death. As well as being highly dangerous it was definitely cruel (to such an extent that it was illegalised). It doesn't differ from other forms of recreational hunting.

Conversely, I can use your point against you. You have been raised in a culture were hunting is a norm for many and likely, were it is popular- causing very few to be outspoken towards it because of peers. To some extent I can understand why you retain your denial towards changing opinions.


If you don't believe in hunting, than I hope for your sake you are a vegan. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.
If you did read my post thoroughly enough, I never said there was anything wrong with hunting for food. I interpreted your original post because you describe it as a "sport" which is "fair". You also justified it as a sport with reasons that it has other supposed benefits besides entertainment. Finally in the post you made no reference to hunting for food.
Hunting for food is natural, as I made in post #11. Although humans have evolved and are educated to retain livestock, others will still need to hunt to gain enough protein and iron which is difficult to maintain in vegan/vegetarian lifestyle.
So no, I am not a hypocrite since I never said there was anything wrong with hunting for food or for conservation, only against recreation.
Using animals for food or production is can be justified for the loss of life. Wheras I believe hunting for sport has none whatsoever.

Another thing, Most hunters eat what they kill.
"Most" depends where you are from. Eitherway there are still creatures being killed for unecessary reasons. Extreme cases outside your country, can cause animals to be put onto the verge of extinction, all for the enjoyment of a sport.



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Hm...Nice discussion thread. Seems a pretty even balence.

I'm for legal and sanctioned hunting. I only go after what I am allowed to, nothing more. All kills are monitered so nobody can overhunt on our grounds. We eat everything we kill -- it doesn't matter if you missed and shot a squirrel, you're eating it. =/ The only exception is a diseased animal.

I think hunting "for sport" is pretty well stupid and I think there is no point to it. You don't need trophies, nor can you eat them. It seems a waste on all points.

Hunting to control species population, I agree with to a degree. That's important. If a species (such white-tail deer, which I hunt) overpopulate the things such as deforestation, weakened genetics, mass starvation, etc. Some are worst case scenarios, but they can happen. Wiping species out to the point of endangerment/extinction isn't right, though. Neither is letting everyone and their grandmother go nuts and try to catch all they can. You need to strike a good balence.

I'm a hunter, my dad is a hunter, many in my family hunt, and I come from an area where hunting is just part of life. A number of friends and relatives have gone through rough times where they were pretty much living off what they caught hunting or received from family. I respect everyone right to agree/disagree with this and don't really care if you hunt or not. It's my choice, I take it seriously, and I get along with life. That's about it.

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I guess we had a misunderstanding then.
I'm for hunting as long as someone uses what they kill. I have no respect for hunters that don't use the animal they kill.


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I read your post but saw you come from England. I am sorry that you have no right to own a firearm and experience hunting for yourself.
Oh yeah, and what an experience it is, huh? I mean, who wouldn't want to just go out, and fire down an innocent animal just so you can laugh about it later? What an amazing feeling, I bet..

I posted here a while ago, but completely forget what my response was, so I'm just gonna go ahead and post here again xD

Hunting to me makes sense, only if the animals remains are actually going to be put to use; I find it totally sick, and revolting that certain people will just go out and kill so they can hang up a plaque of the animals head to "show-off," trashing whatever else is left of it. If the animal that is being hunted is in a controled environment, and is actually going to be used for a purpose after being shot (Food, etc), I don't really see anything wrong with it =/

Hunting for control of a species population I don't really have an opinion on, and it kinda still follows suit with what I had said before; It's not different, just because there is an excessive amout of something doesn't give anyone the right to go and kill it for the hell of it =/
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Hunting to me makes sense, only if the animals remains are actually going to be put to use; I find it totally sick, and revolting that certain people will just go out and kill so they can hang up a plaque of the animals head to "show-off," trashing whatever else is left of it.
I totally agree with that satement.


To everyone: How do you all feel if a hunter shoots an animal and puts it to good use but then decides to make it a mount as well?

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I totally agree with that satement.


To everyone: How do you all feel if a hunter shoots an animal and puts it to good use but then decides to make it a mount as well?
...I suppose it's okay, as long as they put the animal to good use, and as long as it wasn't trophy hunting or anything, and they don't hunt excessively.
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