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Old July 31st, 2007 (2:56 AM). Edited July 31st, 2007 by Anti.
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After my old team got brutally murdered when it was rated, I have come back with a team I believe is much better. As you can see, I am unsure about many of the EV spreads, natures, and movesets (I'm talking to you, machamp). Here's what I got:

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Adamant Nature
EVs: 252 speed, 252 attack, 6 HP
~Shadow Ball
~Sludge Bomb/Poison Fang
~Steel Wing
~Wing Attack/Aerial Ace

CB Crobat. I'm tempted to use poison fang because it can badly poison. With DT banned, why not just use wing attack and not waste a TM? Steel Wing I knowis usually HP but I don't want to breed for it so I though Steel Wing was a good alternative. Counters Hera and Starmie.
-Physical Sweeper

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Impish Nature
EVs: HP 252, Defense 252, 6 Attack
~Earthquake
~Rock Slide
~Explosion
~Toxic

Steelix has tremendous 200 base D and I'd like to get darn close to maxing it out. Toxic for a slow killing with EQ and Rock Slide. Explode when it's looking bleek. That's my steelix. Counters Zapdos and the poison and electric types.
-Physical Wall

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Modest Nature
EVs: 252 Special Attack, 252 HP, 6 Special Defense
~Rain Dance
~Dragonbreath
~Ice Beam
~Surf

Kingdra has no speed EVs because of Rain Dance and Swift Swim, so I can up the below average HP. Lots of special attack to douse the dragons. Dbreath can paralyze which is our friend.
-Special Sweeper

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Calm Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 126 Special Defense, 126 Defense
~HP Grass/Giga Drain (PP Maxed)
~Reflect/Safeguard/Leech Seed/Synthesis
~Light Screen/Safeguard/Leech Seed/Synthesis
~Toxic/Leech Seed

Always like to have a starter on my teams. Meganium is one annoying tank with leech seed and pseudo-passing moves. Megs has some pretty darn good D stats.
-Tank
-Dual Wall
-Pseudo-Passer

[email protected] Berry/Leftovers/Shell Bell
Timid Nature
EVs: 170 Special Defense, 170 Speed, 170 Special Attack
~Calm Mind
~Psychic
~Fire Punch
~Thunderbolt

Gardevoir is pretty simple. It's just like Zam but with thunderbolt and better defenses (but way lower speed of course). Calm mind helps gardy quite a lot, just like Zam. Counters Suicune (or at least puts a dent in it)
-Special Sweeper
-Special Wall

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Adamant/Brave Nature
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 HP, 6 Defense
~Substitute
~Focus Punch
~Cross Chop/Revenge/Rest/Encore/Bulk Up/Counter/Rock Slide
~HP Bug/Sleep Talk/Encore/Bulk Up/Counter/Rock Slide

Machamp...can't tell ya' much cuz I can't decide the moveset. I know he will be a subpuncher and my TTar, Blissey, and Snorlax counter. There you go.
-Subpuncher (Physical Sweeper)

That's my team. I am pretty sure it counters common threats. Well, I don't want it rated I just want constructive critizism.
Thanks everyone.

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EDIT: People haven't read my other posts so I'll say it now. THIS IS A TEAM FOR 3RD GEN! No U-turn, no brave bird, no energy ball!Sorry for getting all mad, but does anyone read any post besides the first post?
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Old July 31st, 2007 (3:37 AM).
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Zam has potential to rape this team regardless of megamium :O I cant give suggestions because I dont use these guys nore do I see them often x.x Im thinking of using mega..
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Old July 31st, 2007 (3:40 AM). Edited July 31st, 2007 by Anti.
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Oh I forgot yet again to mention this is a 3rd generation team. No energy ball please. About Zam, Couldn't crobat out speed it? I'd give it jolly if I had to cuz I know crobat is faster than Zam and shadow ball would "rape" Zam, probably a OHKO. Smae goes with starmie I guess. Kingdra could also take Zam out in one hit with surf if rain dance was activated. See what you mean though.
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i think this team is very well planned out. good job
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Fire Punch won't do much good on a Sp.Atk trained Gardevoir. I'd say Hypnosis would be more suited. Put them to sleep, Calm Mind up and sweep.
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Change Fire Punch on Gardevoir for Will-o-wisp so it can cripple Physical attackers
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And why wouldn't fire punch be good? It is a special attack. This is 3RD GEN. I hate hypnosis's 60 accuraccy. It's rather terrible and never hits. Maybe will-o-wisp or destiny bond, but NOT hypnosis. Besides, fire punch beats the steels gardy can't touch with that combo. Skarm, magneton, and metagross (just to name a few) would have a field day on me. I'd get wiped out. If I had fire punch...Also, I got the list of pokemon I should be able to counter and I'm fairly confident this team beats TTar, blissey (groan), and all the other common threats. Tell me any gaping holes in my team if there are any. Thanks for the responses. Any suggestions are needed and appreciated.
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And why wouldn't fire punch be good? It is a special attack. This is 3RD GEN. I hate hypnosis's 60 accuraccy. It's rather terrible and never hits. Maybe will-o-wisp or destiny bond, but NOT hypnosis. Besides, fire punch beats the steels gardy can't touch with that combo. Skarm, magneton, and metagross (just to name a few) would have a field day on me. I'd get wiped out. If I had fire punch...Also, I got the list of pokemon I should be able to counter and I'm fairly confident this team beats TTar, blissey (groan), and all the other common threats. Tell me any gaping holes in my team if there are any. Thanks for the responses. Any suggestions are needed and appreciated.
I missed you saying that it was 3rd Gen, you really need to put that in the first post, that's all most people read. :-/ Anyway, Hypnosis hits' more than it misses, and Will-o-Wisp is a good option too.
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OK, I'll probably put WoW on Gardy, but then I don't have a fire move anywhere. I wouldn't be able to hit forretress or scizor with a very strong hits, or all steels if steelix faints.
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Old July 31st, 2007 (1:48 PM). Edited July 31st, 2007 by Towlie.
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Alright I'll help you out.

Crobat isn't that great of a Choice Bander in this gen. I guess that moveset is okay. It's moves are iffy. Hidden power Flying is better than Aerial Ace.


Steelix is okay I guess.

Kingdra still needs Speed to outspeed stuff in the rain. Give it enough Speed EVs to reach 200 speed. Hidden Power Dragon for more Base power.

Meganium, I'd go Hidden Power Ice myself. You won't get STAB, but it would help cover it's weaknesses. Leech Seed/Light Screen/Reflect seem like good options for your other spots. I believe that's what I used in my UU team.


Don't know about Gardevoir too much. Consider Hypnosis, as your team lacks status.

Machamp is always fun, but you got Machamp all mixed up.

Machamp @ Leftovers
Nature: Adamant(+Atk, -Sp. Atk)
Ability: Guts
EV's: 252 Atk, Some Hp, Split between defenses. Machamp isn't going to outspeed anything.
- Cross Chop
- Earthquake
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

STalking champ is amazing. It's a lot better with Wish support though.



EDIT: Didn't read your post about saying it's 3rd Generation.
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I've officially had ENOUGH. I'm going to edit my first post and in bold letters put: This is 3RD GEN! I've mentioned it before though! Ciould someone please read all the posts or at least see what generation it's from? Groan...I'll come back and edit this post in a minute. First I have to edit my first post.

EDIT: Now that that's taken care of, could someone give me some suggestions to improve this team? That would be greatly appreciated. Thanks everybody.

EDIT 2:Thanks Towlie for the update. I wanted a subpuncher so DDTar couldn't get me. Same with Bliss. I'll explain. Oh, Dinner's here! I'll come back and explain after I eat!
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Kingdra still needs Speed to outspeed stuff in the rain. Give it enough Speed EVs to reach 200 speed. Hidden Power Dragon for more Base power.
Kingdra already starts with 206 Speed. 210 Speed also works if you want to get an extra kick, and that's only at the expense of 16 EVs.

Now about that Team:

Crobat - I don't see him useful. At all. Replace him with Aerodactyl if you're going to CB Attack.

Steelix - Roar over either Toxic, Rock Slide, or Explosion.

Kingdra - HP Grass over Dragonbreath to deal with Water Absorbers.

Meganium - I'm leaving that one alone.

Gardevoir - Gardevoir needs 270 Speed Minimum so it can outrun Adamant Heracross, which is extremely common in the Advance Metagame. Also, I don't see Gardevoir countering Suicune at all, especially when all it will do is Roar Gardevoir out OR the opponent can easily switch to Psych Up Regice or Blissey for that matter.
Also, you don't need 2 Sp. Sweepers on your team, considering that Blissey is walling BOTH of them.

Machamp - Machamp does a MUCH better job as a Sleep Talker.

Machamp @ Leftovers
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Atk / 40 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Brick Break / Cross Chop
- Rock Slide
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Brick Break if you're concerned about accuracy. Otherwise, go all out with Cross Chop.

Now your team, falls prey to a lot of Bulky Waters, as well as known tanks.
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Yo, Why is Crobat useless? It has decent defenses, super speed, and pretty good attack which gets very good with the choice band.
I'd really rather not replace any of my pokemon. Crobat is a good pokemon. 'K, here's my updated team:

[email protected] Band
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252 speed, 252 attack, 6 HP
~Shadow Ball
~Sludge Bomb/Poison Fang
~Steel Wing
~Wing Attack/Aerial Ace

I'll keep him the same for now

[email protected]/Lum Berry
Impish Nature
EVs: HP 252, Defense 252, 6 Attack
~Earthquake
~Rock Slide/Roar
~Explosion/Roar
~Toxic

Might use roar

[email protected]/Peyata Berry/Lum Berry/Shell Bell
Modest Nature
EVs: 252 Special Attack, 252 HP, 6 Special Defense
~Rain Dance
~Dragonbreath
~Ice Beam
~Surf

I hate HP, so no HP Grass. How many speed EVs does it take to get kingdra where it's faster than mence after one dragon dance?

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Calm Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 126 Special Defense, 126 Defense
~HP Grass/Giga Drain (PP Maxed)
~Reflect/Safeguard/Leech Seed/Synthesis
~Light Screen/Safeguard/Leech Seed/Synthesis
~Toxic/Leech Seed

I guess this is the same for now as well. I'd REALLY prefer not to use HP again.

[email protected] Berry/Leftovers/Shell Bell
Timid Nature
EVs: 170 Special Defense, 170 Speed, 170 Special Attack
~Calm Mind
~Psychic
~Fire Punch/Will o Wisp/Destiny Bond
~Thunderbolt

I don't have any other fire coverage, so I think I'm gonna use fire punch. Who else hits forretress hard?

[email protected]/Shell Bell/Leichi Berry
Adamant/Brave Nature
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 HP, 6 Defense
~Rock Slide/Focus Punch/Bulk Up/Something Else
~Brick Break/Substitute/Cross Chop
~Rest
~Sleep Talk

Narrowed it down a bit. Resttalk, fight move and something else.

Any Better? There ya' go.
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Yo, Why is Crobat useless? It has decent defenses, super speed, and pretty good attack which gets very good with the choice band.
Although it has as much Speed as Aerodactyl, it still can't attack very well. In other words, a LOT of Pokemon in the OU Metagame will wall it with no effort. Crobat is a cool Pokemon, yes, but you have to understand that it's very limited. But if you don't want to replace him...

That matter is simply up to you.


I'd really rather not replace any of my pokemon. Crobat is a good pokemon. 'K, here's my updated team:

[email protected] Band
Jolly Nature
EVs: 252 speed, 252 attack, 6 HP
~Shadow Ball
~Sludge Bomb/Poison Fang
~Steel Wing
~Wing Attack/Aerial Ace

I'll keep him the same for now
Jolly Nature to outspeed Alakazam.

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Impish Nature
EVs: HP 252, Defense 252, 6 Attack
~Earthquake
~Rock Slide/Roar
~Explosion/Roar
~Toxic

Might use roar
There is no might to it. Either use Roar or Ninjask will set up against you, making it impossible to counter Baton Passers.

[email protected] / Lum Berry
Modest Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Speed / 240 SAtk
~Rain Dance
~Dragonbreath
~Ice Beam
~Surf

I hate HP, so no HP Grass. How many speed EVs does it take to get kingdra where it's faster than mence after one dragon dance?
DD Sala runs with 270 Speed, so with 1 Dragon Dance, it gets 410 Speed. 210 Speed is what I personally run on Kingdra for the sake of gaining 420 Speed.

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Calm Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 126 Special Defense, 126 Defense
~HP Grass/Giga Drain (PP Maxed)
~Reflect/Safeguard/Leech Seed/Synthesis
~Light Screen/Safeguard/Leech Seed/Synthesis
~Toxic/Leech Seed

I guess this is the same for now as well. I'd REALLY prefer not to use HP again.

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Timid Nature
EVs: 184 HP / 124 Def / 200 Spd
~Calm Mind
~Psychic
~Fire Punch/Will o Wisp/Destiny Bond
~Thunderbolt

I don't have any other fire coverage, so I think I'm gonna use fire punch. Who else hits forretress hard?
Eh, Forretress isn't going to stay in on a Special Sweeper anyway.
I also fixed the EVs.


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Adamant/Brave Nature
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 HP, 6 Defense
~Rock Slide
~Cross Chop
~Rest
~Sleep Talk

Narrowed it down a bit. Resttalk, fight move and something else.
Rock Slide and Cross Chop. That's how it should be.

Any Better? There ya' go.
Okay here's a few things I'd like to add
- Never use Stat enhancing Berries. The only time that's useful is Salac Berry and Reversal / Flail.

- Shell Bell is useless compared to Leftovers, as you're only recovering 1/16th of what you do to the opponent. Leftovers is far more superior.

I'm done for now, I have to get ready for work.
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EDIT: This post is kinda messed up at the bottom. Sorry on that.

EDIT 2: Fixed the mess at the bottom.

EDIT 3: Got my meganium set. What I want is underlined.

Okay, here's what I have now:

[email protected] Band
Jolly Nature
EVs: 252 speed, 252 attack, 6 HP
~Shadow Ball
~Sludge Bomb/Poison Fang
~Steel Wing
~Wing Attack/Aerial Ace

This is almost finalized

[email protected]/Lum Berry
Impish Nature
EVs: HP 252, Defense 252, 6 Attack
~Earthquake
~Roar/Taunt
~Explosion/Rock Slide
~Toxic

Leaning towards explosion. Also, if I need to stop BPers I always can use taunt.

[email protected]/Peyata Berry/Lum Berry/Shell Bell
Modest Nature
EVs: 240 Special Attack, 252 HP, 18 Speed
~Rain Dance
~Dragonbreath
~Ice Beam
~Surf

This is finalized pretty much.

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Calm Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 126 Special Defense, 126 Defense
~HP Grass/Giga Drain (PP Maxed)
~Reflect/Safeguard/Leech Seed/Synthesis
~Light Screen/Safeguard/Leech Seed/Synthesis
~Toxic/Leech Seed

I guess this is the same for now as well. I'd REALLY prefer not to use HP again. Still need some help on Megs.

[email protected] Berry/Leftovers/Shell Bell
Timid Nature
EVs: 170 Special Defense, 170 Speed, 170 Special Attack
~Calm Mind
~Psychic
~Fire Punch
~Thunderbolt

I don't have any other fire coverage, so I think I'm gonna use fire punch. Who else hits forretress AND SCIZOR hard? About the EV spread. Gardy is supposed to be able to absorb special attacks (minus dark type). Do I not have to worry about special stat EVs because of calm mind? Need some explanation. I think I'm gonna stick with fire punch. Oh, about the forretress swithing, it's a free turn to CM up.

[email protected]/Shell Bell/Leichi Berry
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 HP, 6 Defense
~Rock Slide
~Cross Chop
~Rest
~Sleep Talk

Narrowed it down a bit. Resttalk, fight move and something else. I just realized guts activates while asleep so...I love this set! Oh, do I need any boost in speed?

Any Better? There ya' go.
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...Anyone there? I'm leaving for Tennessee on Saturday and Lego Land on Wednesday, so I'll basically be gone all next week. Can I have some tips to help complete this team? Everyone seems to ignore my threads. Why?
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Bumping this one more time. HELLO people. I REALLY want to know why my RMT threads are always ignored. I'm going to Tennessee tomorrow morning. If no one responds, I think I'm just gonna scrap this team since it must not be any good if no one wants to respond. Thanks Iceman for the responses.
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Groan...My 4th post in a row. I'll delete the others, but WHY are my RMT threads ignored? I want to know now! I'm so tired of waiting day after day for feedback. Thanks again Iceman for actually helping. Could SOMEBODY PLEASE respond? What do I have to do, bump this thread every day? I'm so desparate... I have already bred for a lot of my pokemon at this point. I have Kingdra at level 61 right now with a complete MS. Now could ANYBODY help with the rest? PLEASE!
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Thanks. I am pretty much certain on crobat, gardevoir, and machamp. Megs and Steelix need help the most.
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Anti-Pop Culture Warrior, STOP double posting. This forum is not exempt from that rule, so you cannot bump-and-delete, as you have been doing. If people have comments on your team, they will post them. There is no excuse to repeatedly bump your thread.

You have been warned, and as I see you have had another warning before for something else, one more warning will result in a ban.

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Okay, you have a deal. Sorry for breaking the rule. If anyone has any advice, please post. FG is right. Off I go. I'm leaving on another vacation on Wednesday so I'll be gone awile. Any comments please post. Thanks everyone.

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