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Old August 5th, 2007 (6:34 PM).
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Cradily is useful as i lost to an experienced trainer with one. No one Pokemon is truly useless. If Cradily is pited in a position that it can excel in it will. Such as going against another wall that isnt resistant to Toxic.

c dog I respect you as a trainer and a friend but the Cradily argument is getting a bit draggy.

By the way I do support you on Weezing and dropping Cradily in Vainzs thread.
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Cradily has high HP and high Sp def. All you need. My togekiss has a bolt-beam weakness yet he survives. 1/3 dmg for a t-bolt on gengar.
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O.K., if Cradilly is so bad, can u give me a list of some special walls that ar good?
the common ones are blissey, cresselia, snorlax. blissey's the one on practically every team.
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Exactly and that is why i don't want to use them, they are expected, I used to have a lax, but he never helped much, I like Cradilly, but if you guys think he is this bad I will just use another instead
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Umbreon can give you similar results too. At least Umbreon has more viable options then Cradily. It can also be Wish support. Not to mention it has a higher base Defense, Special Defense and HP.

You cant go wrong with toxi-tanking:

-Mean Look
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-Baton Pass
-Toxic

Though she wasnt as strong as before she is still useful for trapping and passing to a Pokemon thatcan easily counter the trapped Pokemon. Though watch out for those common fighting attacks and those stronger bug moves.

There is also an option of replacing Toxic with Curse.
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Exactly and that is why i don't want to use them, they are expected, I used to have a lax, but he never helped much, I like Cradilly, but if you guys think he is this bad I will just use another instead
well cradilly isn't something you can bring in and hope it can force switches because often times the sweepers are just going to keep going at you. you want a special wall but most special sweepers have ice beam and cradily is not going to be able to take a lot of that. i can tell you if you had trouble with lax, you're going to have even more trouble with cradily.

bronzong, milotic, and dusknoir can all act as special walls too. they're also quite common but obviously they aren't blissey.

ludicolo is a decent special wall. not invincible but pretty good.
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Old August 5th, 2007 (7:20 PM). Edited August 5th, 2007 by PlayaFritz.
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Well, I did some research on serebii...Here are a list of some of the other high sp.defence pkmn i liked
Ledian
Cradilly(Obviously)
Tentacruel
Shuckle

I am fond of all these pkmn, of these whichever has the best capability ill put on my team for a sp. wall

I also like slowking(This would be cool since i have slowbro for my bulky water)
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There is also an option of replacing Toxic with Curse.
don't forget taunt. i think i may like taunt the best. i never use toxic on it though... toxic's just not very good... too many pokemon can turn it against you. i'd consider toxic spikes though(umbreon doesn't have it)
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..I still say stick with cradily. Why in the world do you have to worry about physical sweepers with cradily? Blissey would prbably get OHKOd by one, but cradily might survive. Cradily is a better special wall than physical. SO make sure you have a phsyical wall AND cradily.
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On a side note, just so I don't have to start a new thread...
Whats a good moveset for Flygon
I have:
Adamant
U-turn
Earthquake
Stoneedge
DragonClaw

I'd like to work a fire move in here, but i don't think Flygon can learn any physical fire moves
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..I still say stick with cradily. Why in the world do you have to worry about physical sweepers with cradily? Blissey would prbably get OHKOd by one, but cradily might survive. Cradily is a better special wall than physical. SO make sure you have a phsyical wall AND cradily.
dude, you need to learn to READ. i just posted in 2 pages all the physical sweepers who can OHKO cradily and you ask "why in the world would you have to worry about physical sweepers with cradily"???? argghhhhhh metagross, garchomp, electivire, heracross not enough of a reason for you???
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C-dog, CALM DOWN!!! Apparently they love their Cradily, and nothing will change that. If they like it so much, they should just keep it. Always play with what you like. Getting angry will only raise blood pressure.
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Sims has a point. A while back I posted some statement which dealt with using Pokemon you enjoy using regardless of what others say. Youd enjoy battles more especially if that Pokemon pulls off what you intended it to do.
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well, they'll learn very soon just how bad cradily really is. and it's not like they didn't get enough fair warning either. its stat does look good but it fooled me too. its movepool is pathetic which is the main reason(well, along with bad typing) for its downfall.

and i love butterfree, but it's not gonna get it done if i carry one on my team against OU's. there's a line between using what you love and staying competitive.
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cradily isn't bad.

no OU sweeper would OHKO Cradily with a Close Combat unless they have max attack and choice band.

you are way out of line c_dog. for someone who uses a Curselax in D/P, i'm surprised that you would react this way. curselax needs so much support in D/P... waaay more than Cradily. curselax has so many counters, and can't do squat to the SkarmBliss combo.

i'm not sure where you are getting your calculations from, but Cradily takes more damage than what you keep insisting on.

and its movepool isn't great, but it's not bad. perhaps if it didn't have recover, you could consider it a pretty lame movepool, but its new ability suction cups completely makes up for that.
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C_dog, saying Cradily fails just fails. -.- Stick a Cradily with Barrier and Recover in the same team with a Tyranitar and you'll have a hell of a tank. Cradily takes hits like no other UU and the only thing it really fears after a Barrier and with Sandstorm up is a STAB Close Combat, which will be at least a 2-hit KO as well. Even without Sandstorm, Cradily is still excellent at taking a beating from physical sweepers. Though Samson's Swords Dance set works as well, a supporter set can work pretty well too:

Cradily @ Leftovers
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EVs: 252 HP, 88 Defense, 104 Sp.Defense, 64 Sp.Attack or Attack

- Barrier
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- Energy Ball/Rock Slide/Earthquake/Stealth Rock/Mirror Coat
- Energy Ball/Rock Slide/Earthquake/Stealth Rock/Mirror Coat

There's a lot to choose from here. Energy Ball and Rock Slide are nice STAB moves that will seriously hurt stuff in the long run. Stealth Rock can really hurt if you're good at forcing switches and Mirror Coat can be really nasty for all those special sweepers that will be ganging up on poor Cradily once it gets a Barrier or two up. And thanks to Cradily's Suction Cups ability, it can't be phazed away so it'll sit there until it faints or you switch it out yourself.

I've often used Cradily in Netbattle teams and it worked extremely well. Of course its uses might have gone down a bit because of Close Combat and more powerful sweepers, but it's still a valuable team member if you use it right.
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c_dog, you also need to read :/ Blissey gets OHKOd by physical sweepers as well. I think cradily has a much better chance of surviving o.0 Moving on.... Bold nature works!? KEWL. I just hatched one x.x
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Yes, Bold works, but in that case you shouldn't use any physical attacks on it. Cradily's Attack stat is decent, but when its Attack lowered by 10% Cradily won't be doing anything with physical moves.
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I plan on using energy ball :P (Needs Swampert counter)
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C_dog, saying Cradily fails just fails. -.- Stick a Cradily with Barrier and Recover in the same team with a Tyranitar and you'll have a hell of a tank. Cradily takes hits like no other UU and the only thing it really fears after a Barrier and with Sandstorm up is a STAB Close Combat, which will be at least a 2-hit KO as well. Even without Sandstorm, Cradily is still excellent at taking a beating from physical sweepers. Though Samson's Swords Dance set works as well, a supporter set can work pretty well too:

Cradily @ Leftovers
Ability: Suction Cups
Bold/Impish/Relaxed Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 88 Defense, 104 Sp.Defense, 64 Sp.Attack or Attack

- Barrier
- Recover
- Energy Ball/Rock Slide/Earthquake/Stealth Rock/Mirror Coat
- Energy Ball/Rock Slide/Earthquake/Stealth Rock/Mirror Coat

There's a lot to choose from here. Energy Ball and Rock Slide are nice STAB moves that will seriously hurt stuff in the long run. Stealth Rock can really hurt if you're good at forcing switches and Mirror Coat can be really nasty for all those special sweepers that will be ganging up on poor Cradily once it gets a Barrier or two up. And thanks to Cradily's Suction Cups ability, it can't be phazed away so it'll sit there until it faints or you switch it out yourself.

I've often used Cradily in Netbattle teams and it worked extremely well. Of course its uses might have gone down a bit because of Close Combat and more powerful sweepers, but it's still a valuable team member if you use it right.



I like the set, but there is no way to get barrier with recover and mirror coat...I asked this in the breeding thread
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I must say. I have never seen a person absolutly refuse a pokemon this much before. As soon as i saw the title of this thread, i knew you would be in it c_dog. Tell me, why would you send Cradily out against Metagross? I agree that unless people use UU pokes, this game will never be intresting. Cradily is a great wall. Its stats are pretty good, and it can take on Blissey and Skarmory, the two biggest wall threats out there. There is nothing wrong with that. You are using the statment "if" a lot. I dont think he will be disapointed with Cradily at all.
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..How would a cradily take on a skarmory or a blissey :/
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cradily isn't bad.

no OU sweeper would OHKO Cradily with a Close Combat unless they have max attack and choice band.

you are way out of line c_dog. for someone who uses a Curselax in D/P, i'm surprised that you would react this way. curselax needs so much support in D/P... waaay more than Cradily. curselax has so many counters, and can't do squat to the SkarmBliss combo.

i'm not sure where you are getting your calculations from, but Cradily takes more damage than what you keep insisting on.

and its movepool isn't great, but it's not bad. perhaps if it didn't have recover, you could consider it a pretty lame movepool, but its new ability suction cups completely makes up for that.
cradily may not be OHKO'ed but it's not going to force any switches is it? metagross, garchomp, electivire and heracross can easily take it down, and cradily with rock slide and energy ball as its only offensive options, isn't going to threaten them to switch. and close combat is certainly going to take its health way down(even if not OHKO). and you shouldn't be surprised how much damage meteor mash, stab earthquake, and ice punch do to cradily. i get the feeling most people who insist on cradily being good have never used a cradily. trust me guys, when you send out a cradily to take hits you're just sending it to its doom. energy ball and rockslide on its measley attack stats aren't going to force switches or put a dent on anybody, and it's weak against the most common attacks in the game.

and curselax is fine in D/P aside from the annoying focus blast(but it's a 3HKO on snorlax from a gengar barring critical hits), and it's likely to miss once out of 3 times. so we're comparing cradily to curselax now? curselax is so much better it's not even close.
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Skarm cant make Cradily return with Roar/Whirlwind, which completely ruins that stradgey, and Cradily can be a physical Sweeper, which Blissey really dosent stand a chance against.
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