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Old August 6th, 2007 (11:50 AM).
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I'm kind of at a cross-Roads becuase if it doesnt evolve it's obviously going to lose strength and sp atk so nasty plot would basically be the same as if i just evolved to monferno right?
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Old August 6th, 2007 (11:57 AM).
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Yes, and you can use a Heart Scale for whatever moves you missed.

In fact, thats what I did in order to get Curse at an earlier level for Turtwig.
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Old August 6th, 2007 (11:58 AM).
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So I should evolve it to Monferno and use Heart scale so I get back Nasty plot?
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No. Level up Chimchar, then evolve when you get Nasty Plot. The Heart Scale only works on pokes that learns the move at their current form.
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Old August 6th, 2007 (12:02 PM).
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But if I Dont evolve it won't I lose the Spatk+Atak+Defense and all other stats considering I didnt evolve it in the first place, and how do I evolve it if I stopped its evolution I cant remember but is it that when you stop the evolution it keeps evolving every level up it gets and I just keep stopping it until I want it to evolve?
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Old August 6th, 2007 (12:08 PM).
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But if I Dont evolve it won't I lose the Spatk+Atak+Defense and all other stats considering I didnt evolve it in the first place, and how do I evolve it if I stopped its evolution I cant remember but is it that when you stop the evolution it keeps evolving every level up it gets and I just keep stopping it until I want it to evolve?
Exactly. If you EV train, they will keep those even after evolution. You can use an Everstone to hold off evolution, then remove it, lvl up, then evolve.
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Okay thanks for your help I needed to know urgently becuase Nasty Plot is a good attack and I was curious if it was worth not evolving right away :D
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Old August 6th, 2007 (12:13 PM).
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nasty plot is handy for the ever so popular infernape.

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-flamethrower<--TM or learn as chimchar really late. in which case you need heart scale to learn close combat.
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-nasty plot<--learned as chimchar

don't worry about your stats. you can always evolve it later and nasty plot is a very good move.
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It won't hurt to hold off evolution. I beat Crystal with just Chikorita. Granted, I was young, and following the "Ash doesn't evolve Pikachu", so I wouldn't recommend that.
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I'm going to evolve chimchar after Nastyplot I'm not going to keep it as a chimchar that long xD
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Can infernape last long enough in competitive play to use nasty plot? :/ I think it would be like this.

Infernape used nasty plot!
Foe used some random attack!
Infernape fainted due to its horrible defenses!

If this is for in-game, go ahead.
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Old August 7th, 2007 (11:55 AM).
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actually no, you're wrong, infernape is known to create switches so you'll have plenty of oppurtunities.

eg:
-blissey switches out(to avoid close combat) and kingdra switches in.
-infernape uses nasty plot. infernape's sp.att sharply rose


of course it's not that simple either. the opponent could counter with a fast pokemon like starmie instead of kingdra so it may be smarter to use grass knot instead of nasty plot. then again, if your foe is familiar with your style it'll leave blissey in to take grass knot and use twave to render infernape useless. so really, nothing is that simple, but pulling off nasty plot is quite easy.
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CB Infernape is cooler. There are so many other great Pokemon to use Nasty Plot with, like Porygon-Z.
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Yeah, Porygon2 and...?

There are a lot more CBers than there Nasty Plotters.
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Yes, and you can use a Heart Scale for whatever moves you missed.

In fact, thats what I did in order to get Curse at an earlier level for Turtwig.
Not exactly true. Only Chimcar can learn Nasty Plot in it's first stage.

This is for adventure later on to competitive wise right? I would keep it to level 23 for Nasty Plot. Chimcar can survive the harsh world of random trainers.
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Not exactly true. Only Chimcar can learn Nasty Plot in it's first stage.
^ That point was already made.

No, it shouldn't learn Nasty Plot. Most Infernapes are Physical Sweepers and few are Mixed, but I have never seen Special Infernape so...
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Not exactly true. Only Chimcar can learn Nasty Plot in it's first stage.

This is for adventure later on to competitive wise right? I would keep it to level 23 for Nasty Plot. Chimcar can survive the harsh world of random trainers.
I didn't make myself clear. You can gain back any moves in your current stage.
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I didn't make myself clear. You can gain back any moves in your current stage.
I don't believe Infernape can learn Nasty Plot with a Heart Scale . x_x;
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Ummm... yeah... that IS what he said... bravo...
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I don't believe Infernape can learn Nasty Plot with a Heart Scale . x_x;
I think Penguinpal gets what I'm saying. In your current stage the moves they learn, you can get back. I never said Infernapr gets Nasty Plot. Even Shinji got what I said. No prob, I can see where you got confuzzeld, I didn't type clearly.

If I evolve Roselia at level 70, that Roserade can never get back Aromatherapy, even if it forgot it, cause it is not in Roserade's moveset, it's in Roselia. Did I make myself clear that time? I hope so, cause I'm not the best at explaining things.
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Lord Mike, quit mini-modding. We weren't arguing-he simply misunderstood me, and I explained.

Did you just offer Flame Wheel? Shinji is looking for a set that uses Nasty Plot. I believe Smarties told you to watch the advice you give. That set, good as it is, doesn't fit his requirments.
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Lord Mike, quit mini-modding. We weren't arguing-he simply misunderstood me, and I explained.

Did you just offer Flame Wheel? Shinji is looking for a set that uses Nasty Plot. I believe Smarties told you to watch the advice you give. That set, good as it is, doesn't fit his requirments.
Yea, I actually decided to get Nasty plot which I got yesturday, but if a Sp atk Infernape doesnt work out all that well i'm going to breed another chimchar to train again so a back up inferape would be okay too but thanks :P
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what does nasty plot do anyway ?
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Special Infernape? Ok.

Infernape @ Life Orb
252 SAttk/252 Spd/4 HP -- Hasty (-Def, +Spd)
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