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Question: Advance generation, Fourth and Fifth generation sub forums issue

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    I am just curious. Can you make en exception and not remove the 1 month old threads from this sub forum? I mean lets face it, Advance Generation, Fourth Generation and Fifth Generation are practically dead.
    They were my favorite sub forums, and for some time I tried to keep them alive with threads (particularly the Fourth Generation), but what's the point if few people post and in a month they disappear. And every time I want to make a new thread, I just realize I already made such thread or someone else did, and they just vanished.

    Anyway, I suggest mods try to find a way to keep those sub forums alive because otherwise you could just merge them all as "Old generations", and there would be no difference in it's activity from what Im seeing.
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    Guardian has a good point regardless of actual thread visibility, those forums really could use something like this - they look pretty bare right now even with all threads visible. Looking at 4th Gen for example the same threads come up multiple times on the front page so I reckon thread revivals being allowed would be perfectly justified for such a barren section. It used to be one of my favourites too up until every thread I wanted to make was already laying deceased somewhere on the front page with 0-2 replies so I do sympathise with this. I've never really spent any time in the other two listed sections but if they're anything similar to 4th gen then I think they'd appreciate this change.
     
    Hiroshi I did not know that. Still, my point stands because those sub forums could still use some attention.

    Robin had done a great job with Advance Generation with that contest that caused a temporary activity boom, but it still slowly stopped after the contest ended.
    Im just pointing out that those sub forums are as if they dont exist and that something could/should be done about it.
     
    There are quite a few forums that tend to just make one big sub-forum for past generations as opposed to separate forums for each one. I think one forum on its own would get more attention than three individual ones.
     
    You know, Pendraflare has a point. I've seen another forum called Slateport City (where a few PC members also sometimes hang out) and they keep all the older generation stuff confined into one big forum and have prefixes on the threads to indicate the generation or game being discussed, while the 6th Gen games (aka the current generation) are still their own separate boards.

    Here, what I could see happening is all the older-gen sections (1st/2nd Gen, 3rd Gen, and so on) becoming one big section where Went and curiousnathan can be the joint mods. Maybe if the individual boards are all dead on their own, they could get activity back up if they're all in one area.
     
    I dont think doing that would actually raise the activity regarding these three sub forums. The activity of the others would only raise a global, approx activity of all of them if they were put together.
    Regardless of being put separate pr together, mods should* try to raise the activity in each sub forum individually via activities such as contests and whatnot.

    *Again, I am not saying they SHOULD, I am just saying they "should" do it if they want to raise activity of those sub forums.

    And then again, since this forum is not realistically that big, if they really cant get more attention then they are getting now, then...well, I dont know, merging wouldnt make any difference, there would only be less sub forums in Pokemon gaming forum.
     
    That's looking at the glass rather half-full, though. I'm not a regular of either of these forums, but as a quick note, if there's not much interest/discussion going on as far as older gens are concerned, then part of me feels rather pessimistic that contests/events are going to do anything to remedy the issue, because there'a always the possibility that there's not going to be any interest in said contests and/or events.

    Newer generations and their respective games release, and as a result, overshadow the older ones due mainly to general interest. Could also be due to the fact that Nintendo W-fi is also dead so that limits what you can do with fourth/fifth gen games even further, so there's that.

    If anything I'm saying is in error, please do bring it up! Only making a guess here based on what seems to be the "trend", so to speak.

    That is true, but I think discussions about older games can be held. I mean, I am still discussing older games and their components at DCC's for instance, it just happens that for some reason it never happens in actual sub forums. Meh I dont know, I just wanted to bring this up.
     
    For some odd reason I thought I mentioned this but apparently I omitted this in my last post: I'm in favor of the 1 month revival rule being removed if that would help activity in the section, even if it's just a bit.

    If staff are somehow against a merger, I could be okay with this since Went has somehow already enforced it in his two older-gen gaming sections so to have it in all of them would be the right step forward.
     
    I like the idea of letting threads live for longer in some forums. It's also not the end of the world if these forums aren't hugely active. They are archives, in much. Nostalgia forums. It's a nice thing that they exist, if one wants to step into a Metal/Color atmosphere for a while for instance. There's a difference between the kind of activity seen there and the kind seen in specialized forum such as BTB and RPT, as well as in more general places like Treehouse and Pokémon General. And maybe that's okay. Unless the mods or a majority of members think it's too sad or a problem, of course.
     
    I'm not exactly into the idea of merging the gen 1-5 sections into an Older Generations section right now. It IS something that will have to be done eventually, because as the franchise goes on we'll eventually get to like Gen 10 or something and it'd be a bit ridiculous to have 10 different sections for all the Pokemon games.

    But anyway, for now I'd rather see attempts to boost activity in the section since I think it's still too early to give up on those sections. But what's to be done is more up to Went and Nathan and the sections' regulars and not me.

    Also, side note, the thread revival limit in Advance Gen was changed recently from 1 month to 3 years. I'm not sure if it's changed in 4th or 5th Gen though.
     
    I think making a full conglomerate forum would kill some of them (especially the first two generations). Heck, meringing the Spin Off sub into PGC kind of killed off discussion on those for a while because people just weren't aware that was the place for them. So I'm against a merger myself, but I think lifting the revival rule in the other older generation forums will be helpful. Advance Generation has already done so, so I'll bring up the others soon.
     
    I just want to say that you are totally right Guardian, the activity of 4th Gen is dying if not dead. I probably shouldn't, but I take full responsibility for the activity of my section and appreciate any help I can with boosting its activity. I haven't been very active lately due to real life stuff, but nonetheless it is one of my forums and thus my responsibility to ensure its running well (which honestly it isn't at the moment.) So I really appreciate you bringing this up.

    First I think it's important that we identify the problems with keeping activity up:
    1) As you've already mentioned there's an influx of threads that do not get many responses but sit there and prevent the creation of new threads.
    Solution: Ditch the one month revival rule.

    2) Lack of events/competitions?
    Solution: Let's get some events up and running. If anyone has an ideas, pm me and I will be more than happy to help set it up. Any event that can attract some activity is welcome. I will definitely try to devise some events to attract members.

    3) Lack of new and interesting topics. *This is hard, considering you can only talk so much about one thing before things are regurgitated.
    Solution: We need to establish interest using the above so that people will want to and do, post interesting threads that aren't the same regurgitated topics.

    In regards to the merger, I too disagree, simply for the reasons stated above by previous posters. I'd rather not merge them all together and create a massive graveyard of stagnant threads.

    Regardless of being put separate or together, mods should* try to raise the activity in each sub forum individually via activities such as contests and whatnot. *Again, I am not saying they SHOULD, I am just saying they "should" do it if they want to raise activity of those sub forums.
    Most definitely, and I will try and make an active effort to raise the activity of the section through events and increase posting. However, I'll need all your help!

    That's looking at the glass rather half-full, though. I'm not a regular of either of these forums, but as a quick note, if there's not much interest/discussion going on as far as older gens are concerned, then part of me feels rather pessimistic that contests/events are going to do anything to remedy the issue, because there'a always the possibility that there's not going to be any interest in said contests and/or events.

    Newer generations and their respective games release, and as a result, overshadow the older ones due mainly to general interest. Could also be due to the fact that Nintendo W-fi is also dead so that limits what you can do with fourth/fifth gen games even further, so there's that.

    If anything I'm saying is in error, please do bring it up! Only making a guess here based on what seems to be the "trend", so to speak.

    There is definitely no error here! You're definitely right,it is a small forum and the hype of the past generation games is drying up. Perhaps events won't raise much activity. but it is worth a shot. What other artillery do we have to combat the fact that 4th Gen and previous generations will never draw in as much activity as more current generations.

    I think what's important to note is that there's not a lack of threads for discussion to be had in, it's just a lack of posting and interest to post which needs to be remedied. How that can be remedied other than posting in threads myself and holding events is something I do not know, so any further feedback/suggestions would be fantastic. Thanks for the feedback guys.
     
    This is the Nathan I miss ♥ I'll focus mostly on 4th Gen in my replies since that's the only one I've ever really posted in, but I'm sure the principles apply to the others too!

    Solution: Ditch the one month revival rule.
    Definitely a good plan, I feel like this rule should be pretty redundant in 4th Gen by now and will make repetitive threads a lot less common. Having the entire home page of 4th Gen full of 30 different threads, despite how long they've been active, will definitely be more appealing/interesting to post in than seeing "WATS UR FAVOURITE STARTER" 10 times haha.

    I think what's important to note is that there's not a lack of threads for discussion to be had in, it's just a lack of posting and interest to post which needs to be remedied. How that can be remedied other than posting in threads myself and holding events is something I do not know, so any further feedback/suggestions would be fantastic. Thanks for the feedback guys.
    I guess this is just a fundamental problem with the older generation forums in general - Sinnoh has always been my favourite region by far and I used to talk about it all the time, including spamming 4th Gen for ages as I'm sure you remember but it's kind of like joining the same Fire-type club 50 times in a row - answering "what is your favourite Fire-type Pokémon" that many times just doesn't stay interesting. This problem however is even more prominent in 4th Gen as at least Fire-types as a whole are constantly changing/updating with new games/metas so new topics can always come up, but DPPt/HGSS are unfortunately in stasis now and they always will be. Of course you already know all of this so I'm not sure why I'm saying it again, but basically I love 4th Gen and would adore seeing it discussed extensively again but it's going to take some creative thinking.

    One thing that could possibly help is using the old "poll of the week" system from Gen 5, but at best that's just one more interesting thread per week so that's not really ground-breaking... It's difficult to think of any unique contests to hold in these forums since battling is done in the battle section, art is done in the art section, trading is in the trade section, and there's not much left for 4th Gen outside of actual forum-based events like a posting contest or a scavenger hunt, both of which are very temporary solutions. Right now all I can really think to do is if a group of us make it our priority to interact with each other in 4th Gen as much as possible to get the section full of new threads and discussions and hope that the activity will then carry on from that initial boom when people start visiting more, but again it's hard to see that as anything more than a temporary fix.

    One other thing to note quickly here is that 4th Gen has always been a very "post and go" section but if threads were more discussion-based I think that could help keep things interesting.
     
    Lack of new and interesting topics. *This is hard, considering you can only talk so much about one thing before things are regurgitated.
    Solution: We need to establish interest using the above so that people will want to and do, post interesting threads that aren't the same regurgitated topics.

    I don't know, but it seems the interest is mainly focused on the simple topics. I tried to throw in some topics that asked for an opinion on a specific aspect of the games or something (like this or this for example), but it appears most people just want to talk about something straight-forward as what their favorite starter or hardest gym battle is. Topics like these aren't really topics for discussion, so this easily leads to a post-and-go atmosphere.

    Right now all I can really think to do is if a group of us make it our priority to interact with each other in 4th Gen as much as possible to get the section full of new threads and discussions and hope that the activity will then carry on from that initial boom when people start visiting more, but again it's hard to see that as anything more than a temporary fix.

    I'm afraid that doesn't really work well, Dragon did this a while ago with Gen III, which worked pretty well for the time it lasted. A week after the event, the forum was about as dead as before.
     
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