Bronzong's wickedness

[Spiritfire]

Can anyone give me suggestions to perfect this team? I am on a roll with this line-up.


1. Bronzong @ Light Clay
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 255 Def/255 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Hypnosis
- Trick Room
- Reflect
- Light Screen
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2. Machamp (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Guts
EVs: 255 Def/255 SDef
Naughty nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Fire Punch
- Thunderpunch
- Ice Punch
- Cross Chop
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3. Blaziken (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 255 Atk/255 Def
Naughty nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Earthquake
- Flare Blitz
- Thunderpunch
- Brick Break
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4. Blastoise (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 255 HP/255 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Hydro Pump
- Yawn
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5. Torterra (M) @ Choice Band (I am thinking of using Abomasnow instead)
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 255 Atk/255 SDef
Naughty nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Grass Knot
- Crunch
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6. Spiritomb (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 255 Def/255 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball
- Hypnosis
- Calm Mind
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My strat here is to have all the choice items on my offensive pokemon. Bronzong is the one who using Trick Room and Reflect/Light Screen whenever necessary. Since my team consists of slow pokes, turning the battle into trick room will eliminate any speedy pokes and of course Choice Scarf.

Move order:

I usually use Reflect/Light Screen first, then use Trick Room. Sometimes before I use Trick Room, I go out on an all out offensive and then switch back to Bronzong immediately. I have two options: use Trick Room only or simply use again the "Reflect/Light Screet" + "Trick Room" combo to double the effect.

Of couse, this strategy won't work if Bronzong faints quickly (he didn't regually during my battles) or gets hypnotized. Any suggestions? I am sure there are some other strong super defensive slow pokes out there...

lol

 

[luke]

Why do you have so many Choice items on all of your Pokemon? Including a Spiritomb with Calm Mind. O_O

 

[Sora_8920]

Don't forget the Blastoise with Yawn, Blueberry. :P

But, go there for EVs, seriously.

 

[Naito]

I would eliminate the waste of a move slot that is Blastoise with Yawn and Spiritomb with Calm Mind.

When using Choice Items, you have to be really picky and careful. Remember, only one move can be used the entire time a Pokemon is in battle (until it's switched out).

 

[Cloud_85]

If you need Brozong alive take out Light Scean or Reflect, and put Rest (Don't remove both). Also Have 5 choice banders means that you will be walled so ugly T_T

 

[Raziel_X007223]

Can anyone give me suggestions to perfect this team? I am on a roll with this line-up.


1. Bronzong @ Light Clay
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 255 Def/255 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Hypnosis
- Trick Room
- Reflect
- Light Screen

I can see that you're going to use Zong as the set-up for a long running shield... Neat, but I can sense that a few FIRE Pokemon may take offense to that.. Also, be very careful, if you use TR when you're faster or if you're blind to the opposition, you will pay the price...
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2. Machamp (M) @ Choice Band EXPERT BELT or BLACK BELT
Ability: Guts NO Guard.. I'll explain...."
EVs: 255 Def/255 SDef
Naughty nature (+Atk, -SDef) WRONG... Try again!!!
- Fire Punch
- Thunderpunch
- Ice Punch
- Cross Chop

I can see this putting Flyers out of commision, but what about Psychics???? With No Guard, ALL YOUR HITS WILL CONNECT!!!
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3. Blaziken (M) @ Choice Band Charcoal or Black Belt
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 255 Atk/255 Def
Naughty nature (+Atk, -SDef) WRONG, Try again....
- Earthquake
- Flare Blitz
- Thunderpunch
- Brick Break

I can see the EQ, but why Flare Blitz.. Fire Punch would suffice here....
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4. Blastoise (M) @ Choice Specs Mystic Water.. 1.5 with another 1.5 with Torrent and another 1.5 with Hydro Pump STAB.... Calculate...
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 255 HP/255 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Fire] HP Ground!!!!
- Hydro Pump
- Yawn

Be Mindful that you're not covering the Electric weakness...
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5. Torterra (M) @ Choice Band (I am thinking of using Abomasnow instead) Leftovers......
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 255 Atk/255 SDef
Naughty nature (+Atk, -SDef) WRONG!!! Try again!!!
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Grass Knot
- Crunch

Good moves, But you're not covering the Ice Weakness... (4x)
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6. Spiritomb (M) @ Choice Specs Letfovers.....
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 255 Def/255 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk) WRONG... Try again!!!!
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball
- Hypnosis
- Calm Mind

Better, but I would say, Psychic, GONE!!! With the Ghost Type, the Fighting type can hit you!!!! Most trainers overlook Foresight and don't include it... Tomb is safe... DARK PULSE Please.....
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My strat here is to have all the choice items on my offensive pokemon. Bronzong is the one who using Trick Room and Reflect/Light Screen whenever necessary. Since my team consists of slow pokes, turning the battle into trick room will eliminate any speedy pokes and of course Choice Scarf.

Move order:

I usually use Reflect/Light Screen first, then use Trick Room. Sometimes before I use Trick Room, I go out on an all out offensive and then switch back to Bronzong immediately. I have two options: use Trick Room only or simply use again the "Reflect/Light Screet" + "Trick Room" combo to double the effect.

Of couse, this strategy won't work if Bronzong faints quickly (he didn't regually during my battles) or gets hypnotized. Any suggestions? I am sure there are some other strong super defensive slow pokes out there...

lol

All my comments are in red...

Also, be forewarned, as you mentioned, if Zong if KO'ed or if you face a SLOWER team, this plan doesn't work... Look for replacements if that happens...

In addition, most of your team has the Wrong natures to pull this off... Refer to Serebii for details.....

If someone else has better ideas, then by all means, oversee my thoughts... But I think I got this one down....

 

[Cloud_85]

C'mon dude, Tell my if SE don't covers Ice Weakness on T-Terra???

 

[sims796]

C'mon dude, Tell my if SE don't covers Ice Weakness on T-Terra???

Not at all. You do know that other types other than Ice can use Ice types?What are you gonna do to Weavile, which is faster? Or, better yet, any poke with Ice Beam?

Raziel, rfather than saying WRONG!, why not give some replacements?

 

[Anti]

Raziel, rather than saying WRONG!, why not give some replacements?

Or better yet, not making suggestions involving recommending Charcoal on Blaziken and Mystic Water on blastoise. It's one thing to be wrong, but going "WRONG! TRY AGAIN!!!" while being wrong is just...no.

As for this team, I must be honest. I just...don't get it. Even if you have speed on your side, half of your sweepers aren't very powerful and several weaknesses plague this team.

I would either go for the gold with a clean sweep and get more powerful sweepers that can use TR (I'm looking at you, Marowak and Medicham). there are better pokemon to be running Choice Specs over Blastoise, for example. Porygon-Z and Roserade are a few examples.

that's about all I can say, I'm not very good with TR teams.

 

[sims796]

As a matter of fact, that entire rate was horrible, Raziel. Just awful. Nobody ever uses Foresight, and to prepare for it is amaturish at best.

Can anyone give me suggestions to perfect this team? I am on a roll with this line-up.


1. Bronzong @ Light Clay
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 255 Def/255 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Hypnosis
- Trick Room
- Reflect/Light Screen
- Light ScreenGyro Ball

Pick one. Having a Zong weak to Gyra leads (Taunt) isn't a good idea. Those EV's are atrocious. MAx his HP, then focus one the defenses.
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2. Machamp (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Guts
EVs: 255 Def/255 SDef252 ATK/
Naughty nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Fire PunchClose Combat
- Thunderpunch
- Ice Punch
- Cross ChopBullet Punch
Why the hell are you maxing both his defenses? What for? Isn't he your sweeper? I'm not too sure on Champ.
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3. Blaziken (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 255 Atk/255 Def
Naughty nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Earthquake
- Flare Blitz
- Thunderpunch
- Brick Break
Why does it have max DEF?
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4. Blastoise (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 255 HP/255 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Hydro Pump
- Yawn
Not too sure on Toise.
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5. Torterra (M) @ Choice Band (I am thinking of using Abomasnow instead)
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 255 Atk/255 DEF252 ATK, 180 DEF, 76 HP
Naughty nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Grass KnotWood Hammer
- Crunch
Why did you give it GRASS KNOT?! Did you see his SP.ATK compared to everythhing else? And what is with those EV? He has no place surviving Ice moves. Stop trying to force it to.
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6. Spiritomb (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 255 Def/255 SAtkAlways MAX OUT HP!
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball
- Hypnosis
- Calm Mind
Spiritomb is in no way, shape, or form, a sweeper. Stop trying to force it to do something it's not good at. Why does it have Calm Mind AND Choice Specs?
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This team is too dependant on ONE Trick user to work. It's a mess, really. I'm in a very bad mood, so I'll try to be patient here.


Choicing each and every one of your sweepers is a horrible idea. Now you need to switch every time. That is an amaturish move right there, and opens you up to a whole new level of weanesses.

Your EV spreads are terrible. You try too hard to make them survivable, and take hits they have no place taking. You have no real walls, and your entire team, as I said, is too reliant on ONE Trick user. Or, Trick Room in general. Why did you give your "SWEEPERS" EVs in everything but defense? there is no point in fixing the movesets, as this team must be reset from scratch.

You have no form of walls, and easily walled all over by any powerful sweeper. There is no point in giving this a real rate, have a look at our stickies.

I am weak with EVs, so someone else will have to do those.

 

[Spiritfire]

I am just in a rush to create a team, that's all. I don't have all the time in the world to play Pokemon, study the moves, and master it. One thing is that I am from here -EDITED- and -EDITED-

What I realize in Pokemon is that is based on luck to win. Sometimes your stratedgy goes according to plan, but sometimes it doesn't and you'll end up having to change teams based on how your opponent plays. So since you really can't stick to one team, I don't have time for that.

Here are better pokes I saw:

1. Bronzong
2. Machamp
3. Hitmonchan
4. Empoleon
5. Abomasnow
6. Heracross


But bah...

 

[LethalTexture]

I don't have all the time in the world to play Pokemon, study the moves, and master it.

Neither do we. You don't need all the time in the world. All that is required is to actually take some time to think about what is needed, and use movesets and team roles based on the Pokémon's stats. Playing Pokemon competitively is just like everything else; time, effort and thought is required to succeed. If you're not willing to put the time and effort into it, then you won't succeed. Simple as that.

What I realize in Pokemon is that is based on luck to win. Sometimes your stratedgy goes according to plan, but sometimes it doesn't and you'll end up having to change teams based on how your opponent plays.

That is partly true. While sometimes the outcome of a battle is the result of luck, generally, the combatant with the superior skill and tactical knowledge that they have put into their team generally wins.

 

[airconditioning]

What I realize in Pokemon is that is based on luck to win. Sometimes your stratedgy goes according to plan, but sometimes it doesn't and you'll end up having to change teams based on how your opponent plays. So since you really can't stick to one team, I don't have time for that.

No, Pokemon is NOT based on luck. Luck factors into it (hax, as we call it), but it's hardly the deciding factor. It's a game of knowledge and skill- knowledge of the metagame and the Pokemon in it, and the skill to react based on that knowledge.

As for changing your team to react to an opponent's, this is largely untrue- a good team should be balanced and well-rounded enough to counter as many threats in the metagame as possible, meaning you shouldn't need to change your team often.

Lastly, Pokemon (like all games of skill) takes time to get good at. If you can't invest that time, don't expect to get good. Of course, it's not hard to invest that time- unless you work 16 hours a day.

 

[umbros]

Spitfire, there's no need to take offense to people's criticisms. It's true: If you don't put some time and effort into your plan, you won't get that good. And, to be frank, that team just isn't good. I've seen worse, but this is the team that one could use to play IN-GAME, not so much competitively.

 

[Sora_8920]

Well, remember guys, he's 19, and if he Isn't lying about his age, (which I doubt he would be). then he could have a job by now.

But yeah, they're 100% correct, invest the time, or no reward comes out of it.

 

[sims796]

Last off-topic post, but not having much time isn't the best excuse. He could easilly learn the things needed to trive overnight, and with practice. All it would take is about a week, including a long shift, to get somewhat good at battling. Or even better, strategizing. Throwing together a random team is no way to strategize, but if he got this far, he could learn more in just a few hours, or, as I said, a week, on a full schedule.

 

[umbros]

Umm... I'm a twenty-year-old pastry chef, I work 45 hours a week on average in addition to a load of college classes AND a social life. No time? Really?

 

[Sora_8920]

Umm... I'm a twenty-year-old pastry chef, I work 45 hours a week on average in addition to a load of college classes AND a social life. No time? Really?

I wasn't saying you wouldn't have time. Where exactly did I put the word time in there? I was just saying you wouldn't have much.

Also, your age Isn't shown, so how could I know?

My point is, everyone doesn't have as much as time as we do. And they could have a busy life.

 

[umbros]

No worries. I wasn't offended. HE said he didn't have time. It was the excuse given. I'm saying that if I have time with that schedule, I doubt he's putting that much effort into it.

 

[sims796]

I wasn't saying you wouldn't have time. Where exactly did I put the word time in there? I was just saying you wouldn't have much.

Also, your age Isn't shown, so how could I know?

My point is, everyone doesn't have as much as time as we do. And they could have a busy life.

That's the exact same thing. Put in similar words. You just said they wouldn't have enough time, but you said you didn't technically use the word "time".

Regardless, enough with the useless counter-post. It doesn't help with his team. All he needs to do is practice and learn more. Read those threads about proper team building.