Funny thread names just don't cut it anymore!

[Goldeneyes]

Yanmega@ Wise Glasses
Trait: Speed Boost
EV: 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 Hp
Nature: Modest

- Air Slash
- Bug Buzz
- Protect
- Shadow Ball






Salamence@ Life Orb
Trait: Intimidate
EV: 224 Hp/196 Def/12 Atk/76 Spe
Nature: Adamant

- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
- Roost





Blissey@ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EV: 252 Def/216 SpD/40 Hp
Nature: Calm

- Thunderwave
- Aromatherapy
- Softboiled
- Seismic Toss





Starmie@ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EV: 216 Spe/120 SpA/172 Hp
Nature: Timid

- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Recover





Tyranitar@ Choice Band
Trait: Sturdy
EV: 178 Hp/252 Atk/80 Def
Nature: Adamant

- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Crunch
- Pursuit





Swampert@ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EV: 240 Hp/212 Def/56 Atk
Nature: Impish

- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Stealth Rock
- Roar

 

[Anti]

Weavile can't even OHKO Infernape with Aerial Ace, so I doubt it will be doing any "wrecking."

But really, it's just a pretty standard Skarmbliss team that to be honest with you, can't really wall a whole lot (mostly on the physical side). You lack important resistances to fighting and rock attacks, so just about any fighter is going to laugh at you, most notably powerhouses like Machamp, SD Lucario, Heracross, and Infernape. Other attackers like non-specs Salamence and Garchomp run you over.

Skarmbliss counters can also laugh at you, especially a motor driven mixed Electivire coning in on Togekiss's Thunder wave.

Another problem you have is that all of your sweepers are really fragile. Porygon-Z, for example, can only come in on Shadow Ball or some ridiculously weak attack, and it's probably just to get walled by Blissey. Weavile is equally fragile and is just waiting to be walled by *insert steel wall here.* My point is that all of your sweepers are fragile and switching in is tough, while when they get in walling them isn't so hard.

Togekiss is the only bulky pokemon you have that can do "damage." It's only bait for Electivire to sweep your team to be quite honest. It can't really sweep either, it just relies on luck *cough bad idea cough* to beat the opponent. Give Togekiss Nasty Plot and it becomes a much bigger threat and it would probably help out your team more...though I would say Cresselia would be doing more than that.

Anyways, Weavile can't sweep without SD and it can't revenge kill without Pursuit. Give it Pursuit over Aerial Ace. If you predict a fighter coming in, a novel idea would be to switch to Skarmory (since it's about the closest thing you have to a fighting resist). Aerial Ace doesn't really kill fighting types that well anyways...it would be a 2HKO on fragile ones and some could probably live through three, so they can just switch and kill you with LO recoil. Besides, most things that wall Weavile or steels like Bronzong and Forretress.

Also, I think people would be more inclined to leave your Nape EV spread alone if you told us why the EVs are actually there ;)

In other words, you are very weak defensively. I strongly urge you to use Cresselia over Weavile or perhaps Togekiss. Your defenses will be much better after that with MixApe protection and all that. As far as your sweepers are concerned, I'd get some that have better ressitances to work with as opposed to something like Porygon-Z. If you want to use them, be sure your defenses are covered, as even with Cresselia you still have no rocfk ressit and many fighters beat it with secondary move choices.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Cress would be a good start at least give it Charge Beam, Gyarados shuts you down really badly.


Why do you need Stone Edge on Ape? Mence is ohko'd by Life Orb'd Nasty Plot flamethrower IIRC with SR up. Gyara is takes 75% Min from a Nasty Plot Life Orbd Grass knot, with SR, that a ohko. Nasty Plot or Hp ice /Flamethrower/Grass Knot/Close Combat would be of more benefit 24 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 232 SPEED@Life Orb.

Id also seriously consider a bulky ground type or fighter, taunt DD Tyranitar shuts you down.

Infact any form of tar tbh.


Yeah, like Anti said Pursuit you want >> AA on Weavile to at least beat Gengar, who you cant do anything to with Blissey. Which can come back to basically wreck your team, Pursuit prevents it from coming back =). Fighting types laugh at weavile regardless and it has no priority in taking them out, AA wont do ass to them tbh, Machamp etc are still going to pwn it.


Id also maybe give Weavile Ice Shard, Dragon Dancers are gonna be problematic such as mence and Dragonite. And of course to revenge kill Scarf Chomp.

Id consider giving weavile a CB and making Porygon-z Nasty Plot.

 

[Aquilae]

Very weak defensively. Heracross, Lucario, Gengar and almost all the hard-hitters in the OU tier would wreak massive havoc on your team. I suggest you use a Gliscor in conjunction with Skarmory to build a stable defensive foundation.

Infernape set is walled by its common counters, without Nasty Plot Infernape can't do enough damage, and without Life Orb its sweeping potential is diminished. I suggest the standard, simply because it is the most effective set, rather than putting Stone Edge > Nasty Plot/HP Ice. I would also like to point out that Stone Edge is only a bare 2HKO on 4 HP Mence/Gyara, so no sweeping being done here.

Aerial Ace won't do enough damage, Pursuit > Aerial Ace. I find that Weavile works vest with a Choice Band as it needs all the power it can get for Pursuit.

Scrap P-Z, as it is a subpar sweeper, base 90 speed hurts.

No sleep absorber means Gengar/Bronzong/any Hypnosis pokemon would have fun with your team incapacitating one of your pokemon for the entirety of the battle.

 

[Cloud_85]

Here's the team!


Weavile@ Choice Band
Trait: Pressure
EV: 252 Atk/252 Spe/4 Hp
Nature: Jolly (+spe, -SpA)

Ice Punch
Brick Break
Night Slash
Aerial Ace/Pursuit


My lead. You may be wondering why I went Aerial Ace over Pursuit. Because people have adapted to switching fighting types on Weavile and expecting Weavile to switch out. With Aerial Ace Weavile can wreck them. It's not that I don't understand what Pursuit does, I just prefer it killing fighting types.

With Pursuit you can kill Nasty thing such as those Celebi's, Azelf's and others. Anyways that Aerial Ace it's a pretty good option.

Togekiss@ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EV: 252 Hp/172 SpA/84 SpD (Use this EV on Speed unless you have an Agility Passer)
Nature: Modest (+SpA, -Atk)

Air Slash
Aura Sphere
Nasty Plot
Roost


I lovePara flinching! And I just adore Togekiss! You know what to do, paralyze then use Air Slash to get a 60% chance of a flinch. Aura Sphere for stuff that resists flying (steel, rock) and Roost to keep it fit at all times.

NP Kiss>PArahax Kiss. Anti is right in this choice.



Skarmory@ Shed Shell
Trait: Keen Eye
EV: 252 Hp/160 Def/96 Atk
Nature: Impish (+Def, -SpA)

Brave Bird
Whirlwind
Spikes
Roost


Standard Skarm. Not much to say. Although I was considering Stealth Rock somewhere in case Spikes comes against flying or levitating pokemon. Should I put SR somewhere?

k... You can try with SR, but whatever....


Infernape@ Expert Belt
Trait: Blaze
EV: 252 Spe/58 Atk/200 SpA
Nature: Naive (+Spe, -SpD)

Grass Knot
Stone Edge
Flamethrower
Close Combat


Ah, I love what I've done with Mixape. It would be perfect except for the fact it lacks evs in offences. I was going to put standard here but then I thought It's to easy to beat because of Gyarados and other flying types that threaten Ape. It may be stupid but I like it. If you want to point out flaws don't tell me about the ev spread. You will be ignored!

You can also try NP on this, also Life orb.... Whatever you want reallly, good Ape. Spee is the most important thing on this guy, yur physical attacks are enought powerfuls for do damage by itself. Flamethrower>Fire Blitzs=Nice :)

BlisseyI'M SO F***CKING FAT!@ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EV: 252 Def/216 SpD/40 Hp
Nature: Calm (+SpD, -Atk)/ Bold (+Def, -Atk)

Thunderwave
Aromatherapy
Softboiled
Seismic Toss


Standard Cleric Bliss. Supports the team well and is a great special sponge. Not much more I can say.

With that Nick Blyss will be much better. Really nce that you make it a bit more Sp.Def. Anyways I'll go with Bold>Calm with the same EV's



Porygon-Z@ Choice Specs
Trait: Adaptability
EV: 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 Hp
Nature: Timid (+Spe, -Atk)

Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Dark Pulse
Tri Attack


I like this guy. He has pretty decent coverage. I was considering Psychic over Dark Pulse but out ruled it because I have already changed Weavile's set so I should keep Dark Pulse to give coverage over Psychic and Ghost over Poison and Fighting.

Power>Speed, nice!

I personally feel the team needs a Rapid Spinner and a Stealth Rock layer. I think the only thing that can do both is Donphan? If I can find space he will be considered. I was kinda sad that I couldn't get Gliscor or Gyarados in the team either.


Enough chit-chat.
Commence the rating!

1)You are really Weak to Infernape, he can counter both of your Walls. Gyarados can be an option.

2)You have to many Special Based pokemons: Infernape(It mixed but...),Togekiss and Porygon Z. IMO NP Kiss>Porygon. But you haven't a boost of speed. In this case take out Kiss and put Gyarados: BulkyDos>DDDos.

3) 3 pokes weaks against Fighting, and 2 that are weaks when they use roost, AGAIN BulkyDos cn help you...

4)In case you use GYARADOS, Forretress>Skaromry. Almost the same resistence and can Rest>Explotion (Blyss will help wih the status).

That's all I guess...

@Aquillae: Blyss can take Hypnosys very well, didn't it?

 

[Anti]

@Aquillae: Blyss can take Hypnosys very well, didn't it?

The problem is that Hypnmosis from something like Gengar really hurts it. Blissey will either have to switch out or eat supereffective Focus Blasts or Punches. Other sleepers that can beat Blissey are even more problematic, like Breloom.

And every time Blissey switches out, sleep clause is nullified due to Natural Cure. That means that something like a Skarmory coming in to take Focus Punch is still quite vulnerable to Spore. In other words, blissey isn't a good sleep absorber.

 

[Glurak]

Weavile:
Fake Out instead of Areial Ace it's perfct, you can flinching the opponent pokemon, it's also very effectiv in double-fights because you can cut of the best pokemon
of your opponent(most sweeper)
And Swords Dance instead of Brick Break, so you can boost your Pokemon, if the opponent pokemon is freezing of the ice punch

Togekiss:
@King-stone so the chance is 50% that the opponents pokemon is flinching
It have to be faster than the opponent, so 252 init-evs are better

Blissey:
The best move for this Blissey is Counter, anybody will attack blissey with physical attacks, it's the most weakness of Blissey, so you know that they use physical attacks, if they have anyone, so Blissey is very good with Counter

the moveset:
Blissey@Leftovers
nature: bold
EVs:252 HP, 252 Defense, 6 Sp.Defense
Moves:
-Seismic Toss
-Aromtherapy
-Thunderwave/Substitute
-Counter

and the rest of your team is really good, I like your team somehow xD

 

[Goldeneyes]

Ok.
I have changed the team.
Please rate the new one.
I couldn't fit Gliscor in but I reckon the physical walling combo is alright.
I think maybe a Specsmence instead of Togekiss. I really think Specsmence is good for the team for some reason.

 

[El Gofre]

Off to an exam so cant stop to rate properly, but if you're using gyro ball on forry it wants relaxed nature.

 

[Archer]

Weavile:
Fake Out instead of Areial Ace it's perfct, you can flinching the opponent pokemon, it's also very effectiv in double-fights because you can cut of the best pokemon
of your opponent(most sweeper) Its not a double battle and if Weavile is going to run CB, then Fake out is fail.
And Swords Dance instead of Brick Break, so you can boost your Pokemon, if the opponent pokemon is freezing of the ice punch Swords Dance can work, but you're not going to rely on Freeze Hax. Brick Break gives the cover you need so you aren't walled as easily.

Togekiss:
@King-stone so the chance is 50% that the opponents pokemon is flinching
It have to be faster than the opponent, so 252 init-evs are better Togekiss is too slow to outrun several opponents and can make use of its bulkyness. King's Rock is illegal in competitive play.

Blissey:
The best move for this Blissey is Counter, anybody will attack blissey with physical attacks, it's the most weakness of Blissey, so you know that they use physical attacks, if they have anyone, so Blissey is very good with Counter Counterbliss can work, but it's definitely not the best version outright.

the moveset:
Blissey@Leftovers
nature: bold
EVs:252 HP, 252 Defense, 6 Sp.Defense
Moves:
-Seismic Toss
-Aromtherapy
-Thunderwave/Substitute
-Counter Um, do you expect to live off lefties?

and the rest of your team is really good, I like your team somehow xD

Seriously mate, don't rate unless you know what you are doing. You clearly don't.

Mr. Roserade, Forretress and Skarmory on the same team is suicide. Fire Attacks are going to take down both of your walls. Also, both Physical Sweepers are fighting. Weezing and Gliscor are going to give you trouble.

 

[Goldeneyes]

Made lots of changes.
Please rate the new team.

 

[Anti]

Gyarados really messes with you...and Stone Edge just to hit it switching in on Gliscor...bad idea. Use Ice Fang or Aerial Ace to get the most out of it.

But yeah, I would really consider getting something to take care of that awful Gyarados weakness.

 

[Goldeneyes]

Yeah, just put a Electivire in the team.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Yeah, just put a Electivire in the team.

Tell me how is Electivire going to beat Gyarados ?


A counter must be able to switch into the pokemon its meant to be countering SAFELY and cause a switch or be able to beat said pokemon.

Gyarados is going to obliterate E-Vire after a Dragon Dance with Earthquake.


E.g Counters to Gyarados : Trace Porgon 2 with Discharge, Starmie, Mesprit and Uxie with Thunderbolt and basically any Bulky water, such as Slowbro, Vaporeon or Milotic with hidden power Electric.


HP Electric Vaporeon may be of more benefit to this team without adding to weaks and also covers your MASSIVE HP ICE Mix ape weak, and it also provides your team with Wish Support.

Vaporeon@Leftovers
Bold Nature
188 HP / 252 DEF / 70 SP.ATT
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Wish
- Hidden power Electric

>> Gliscor, and you can then make Salamence a Bulky Mence so you have a solid fighting resist, SD Lucario and Heracross counter

Salamence@Leftovers / Life Orb
224 hp / 12 att / 196 def / 76 speed
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Roost
- Earthquake


So you will now have

Vappy/Forry/Bulky Mence/Blissey/Azelf/ ??

With Aromatherapy on Bliss, it may be wise to remove EQ for Rest on Forretress, and with the wish support vappy provides, it will last longer.


I highly suggest removing e-vire, not because i dont like it, its just there are so many better options this metagame and its REALLY easily walled. It may HIT many pokemon for SE damage, but Swampert, Hippowdon, Bronzong, Cresselia, Trace Gardevoir etc etc,dont particularly care, i could go on for hours about how many counter the thing has.

When i use Forry, it is spin blocker bait, so for the slot where E-Vire is, you could consider something to beat Ghosts. AKA, Something with Pursuit.

 

[Goldeneyes]

I'm sticking with Mixmence. It gives me coverage over dragons. I know I can't take fighting types but I think I need to beat dragons. Can someone supply a solution?
Isee your point with E-vire. I replaced it with Tyranitar. I don't think the ev spread is right. Can you help, DA?

 

[magnem101]

i really like this team
maybe you need something to counter foretress and bronzong. you need a fire move to counter them.

 

[Sora_8920]

i really like this team
maybe you need something to counter foretress and bronzong. you need a fire move to counter them.

Actually, the definition of a "Counter" in Competitive Battling is something that can switch in safely and counter it well. Tell me how a Fire type is going to switch in on EQ if it isn't a lead?

 

[Aquilae]

i really like this team
maybe you need something to counter foretress and bronzong. you need a fire move to counter them.

As far as I know, Vaporeon handles Forretress easily, 2HKOing the standard spread. Bronzong, sadly is just setup bait for non-speedy pokemon (aka not getting hit hard by Gyro Ball) and lacks recovery so Vaporeon can 3HKO it.

You don't always need a Fire move to counter those two pokemon ^_~

Anyway I would drop Ice Beam on Vaporeon for either Protect or Roar, as Vaporeon won't be countering Salamence or Garchomp anytime soon, the utility that both these moves provide outweigh Ice Beam.

I think that Protect > Shadow Ball, granting you a free speed boost, so that Yanmega can function more efficiently as a lead.

Hippowdon or Swampert should go over Forry as it would help against Garchomp and the likes, and most importantly Tyranitar. Boah is walled by Vaporeon anyway.
You would lose Spin support but I feel covering for Tyranitar is more important, Yanmega won't be constantly switching and will only do well for earlygame and lategame (cleanup).

On Tyranitar you could either go the special defensive version:

240 HP/52 Attack/216 SpD

(Survives Nasty Plotted Aura Spheres from Togekiss, takes ~16% from TB from most pokemon, Starmie Surf does only 30%. It does have the drawback of being weak =#)

or

178 HP/252 Attack/80 Speed
(outruns most Skarmory, you may want to go 100 Speed to outrun Skarm that try to outrun JollyWobb)

Actually, the definition of a "Counter" in Competitive Battling is something that can switch in safely and counter it well. Tell me how a Fire type is going to switch in on EQ if it isn't a lead?

Forry and Bronzong EQs are kinda weak %_%
Anyways the definition of Counter is kinda obsolete, just switchin to an obvious Gyro Ball and you will take little damage because of resistance.

 

[Wichu]

Why are you using Wise Glasses on Yanmega? Surely it would be better to use Life Orb, since Wise Glasses is only a 10% boost?

 

[Dark Azelf]

On salamence

224 hp / 12 att / 196 def / 76 speed<< This spread actually outspeeds Lucario and Heracross, unlike your current spread. Which Bulky Mence is supposed to counter.