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Immortality

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    Imagine several years in the future, and genetic breakthroughs from now - we have conquered most, if not all mankind's traditional banes - heart attacks, strokes, diabetes, cancer, etc, and we are essentially immortal beings, being unable to die from natural causes.

    How would you feel? Are things meant to last forever, or should we know when it's our end? How would society and civilization change if death was removed from the equation? Would you choose to live forever? Why or why not?


    Discuss.
     
    Alone, I would hate to be immortal, but together.....I might like it. The only issue I can see (Besdies having people you hate live forever) is overpopulation, not like what we have now, worse. We'll need new laws on how many babies we can make (If any), establish some kind of an age law...
     
    No. Humans woud probably destroy the world if they became Immortal. I would not wish to live to see a ruined world. It sounds pessimistic, but it is a believeable scenario considering our nature.
     
    You wouldn't really be 'immortal' though.

    Although disease is removed from the equation, you still can be killed in accidents or murdered, or just... old age.

    All that conquering disease will really do is increase the average life expectancy. It would increase our lifespans, but it wouldn't make us immortal.
     
    Knowing I would never die would make me so depressed. I would have no motivation to do anything because I would have literally all the time in the world. Nothing would matter anymore. I would become so apathetic with everything.

    But, if death by accident or by old age is still a possibility, then nothing would really change. It'd be great to live in a world where all of our fatal diseases are cured/preventable.

    Death should never be removed from any occasion. The end is a natural part of life. If given the choice to live forever, I would not take it. I would just want to live my life as it were.
     
    Yeesh, then I could never get away from this place. I'll take my death row ticket, thanks.
     
    I don't know. Immortality would be nice, for a while.

    I'd take immortality as long as I'd be able to pass it to another person whenever I get tired of living. Live for 500 or so years, get tired with it, pass it on to someone else.
     
    The problem about immortal people is that people would never die(from natural causes). The world would quickly become overpopulated, and nations would fight for land as a result. It would be quite awful. All things must come to and end. What goes up, must come down.
     
    The problem with immortality is that death is actually a protection against itself. Think of an individual human being as an operating system. Yeah you can extend their life with things like patches and fixes and even new features sometimes. At the end of the day though, they have limitations and /cannot/ evolve and adapt to cover all their bases.

    A newborn has none of these limitations until after they're formed. We can evolve endlessly and limitlessly through reproduction. It's the reason we reproduce the way we do, to overcome the problems our ancestors had.

    Things like disease also evolve. If we achieved immortality we'd stop evolving. Disease would keep evolving though, and it would continue to adapt more and more to the things we simply cannot change until it became impossible to protect against.

    The survival of the individual is impossible, but if it somehow did happen it would be the death of humanity as a whole.
     
    It is my highest wish, aside from happiness. Happiness is my goal in life; everything I do works toward that goal in some way. I consider myself happy at the moment, so I guess right now I'd say I'm fulfilled. Past that, my goal is to continue to be happy for as long as possible. Immortality makes this possible.

    People say things like "oh, I wouldn't want to watch my friends die" or "I would be bored." I think I've explained this in another thread, but I don't think that could be farther from the truth. While the death of our friends and family is sad, it's still something we all will have to encounter at some point. But you don't dwell on it forever; you move on with your life and keep your memories of that person close to you. You make new friends (and potentially new family) and enjoy things anew.

    Boredom? I cannot conceive of myself ever becoming bored. There are probably more books than people on this planet. To play every single game would probably take me decades or even centuries. And to learn all the things I want to learn would certainly take centuries. And that's taking only a static slice of time! New things are always happening; there are always new people to meet and new things to learn.

    But twocows, you say, what about after man's time comes to an end? Well, even taking a conservative estimate and saying that it'll happen soon (and the argument could easily be made that man will be eternal, should we develop the technology to explore the universe and potentially outside the universe someday), man is something that comes from the world. Humans are made of a finite set of components interacting in a finite set of ways with each other. In other words, it is possible to create intelligence artificially. With unlimited time, I would someday invent some sort of intelligence, and then my happiness would begin anew.

    There is no higher wish for me other than eternal happiness, and immortality is one path to that end. Of course, like many paths to eternal happiness, it is entirely impossible.
     
    Well, when the Singularity eventually comes along (if it does at all...?) I imagine people will have to think about these issues more and more. For me, personally, I fall into the twocows camp on this. As long as growing older doesn't make my health and well-being deteriorate, I'd love to keep living for many, many, many years to come.
     
    If we were to become immortal, time would cease to exist because we would only see it as an illusion. And PkMn Trainer Yellow summed up what I wanted to say.
     
    It is my highest wish, aside from happiness. Happiness is my goal in life; everything I do works toward that goal in some way. I consider myself happy at the moment, so I guess right now I'd say I'm fulfilled. Past that, my goal is to continue to be happy for as long as possible. Immortality makes this possible.

    People say things like "oh, I wouldn't want to watch my friends die" or "I would be bored." I think I've explained this in another thread, but I don't think that could be farther from the truth. While the death of our friends and family is sad, it's still something we all will have to encounter at some point. But you don't dwell on it forever; you move on with your life and keep your memories of that person close to you. You make new friends (and potentially new family) and enjoy things anew.

    Boredom? I cannot conceive of myself ever becoming bored. There are probably more books than people on this planet. To play every single game would probably take me decades or even centuries. And to learn all the things I want to learn would certainly take centuries. And that's taking only a static slice of time! New things are always happening; there are always new people to meet and new things to learn.

    But twocows, you say, what about after man's time comes to an end? Well, even taking a conservative estimate and saying that it'll happen soon (and the argument could easily be made that man will be eternal, should we develop the technology to explore the universe and potentially outside the universe someday), man is something that comes from the world. Humans are made of a finite set of components interacting in a finite set of ways with each other. In other words, it is possible to create intelligence artificially. With unlimited time, I would someday invent some sort of intelligence, and then my happiness would begin anew.

    There is no higher wish for me other than eternal happiness, and immortality is one path to that end. Of course, like many paths to eternal happiness, it is entirely impossible.


    I never understood why this view isn't popular. Most people say they wouldn't enjoy immortality because they'd get bored or it would be meaningless. I think it'll all perspective, really. I could find plenty of things to occupy my time with. So I agree.
     
    I agree with both of you.

    Saying immortality sucks because you'll get bored after a couple hundred of years isn't really true.

    5 things on the list that will keep you occupied for a long time. Games, movies, music, books, sex. Get bored with one, switch over to another for a while.

    But still, things to do aside, one of my friends needs to be immortal with me. Need at least one person to enjoy immortality with me. Although, now that I think about it I proably wouldn't ever be able to decide who that person should be. (I've got that list down to 2 though, although I do have people in reserves in case neither of them would want to be immortal.)

    Edit - Now that I think about it, would be kinda fun to manipulate the hell out of countries. I'd proably start a war every 50 or so years just for extra entertainment. Although, depending on who is with me that number would change to either 25 or 100 years.
     
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