"It's getting hot in here!" Sunshine RMT

[ABYAY]

Okay, I've been looking at Ooka's Weather Tournament thread, and I'm liking this idea I came up with.

For those that haven't seen the thread, two Ubers are allowed; Groudon and Kyogre. I decided to go with the rarer of the two pokemon and chose Sun over Rain. Why? Well...

Groudon@Leftovers
Brave
252HP/212atk/44def

Swords Dance
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Fire Punch

SD Groudon, suggested by Tortured_Soul

Tangrowth@Leftovers
Modest
252sp.atk/252spd/6HP

Grass Knot/Solarbeam
HP Ice/HP Fire
Sleep Powder
Focus Blast/Sludge Bomb

Tangrowth has amazing sp.atk, so I'm going to take advantage of it with Chlorophyll.

Heatran@Choice Scarf
Modest
20HP/252sp.atk/236spd

HP Ice
Fire Blast/Overheat
Earth Power
Explosion

Scarfing Heatran *Heatrain* is my best choice vs. Infernape.

Shedinja@Choice Band
Adamant
252atk/252spd/whatever.

Shadow Sneak
X-Scissor
Aerial Ace
Shadow Claw

LET'S SEE YOU HIT ME NOW KYOGRE! *Toxic'd* dang... ah well, it's my best hope of Kyogre counter.

Forretress@Leftovers
Relaxed
252def/252HP/6atk

Gyro Ball
Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Rapid Spin

"x9000 fire damage to Forry?" I know what you're thinkin. However, Forretress dies to basically everything that's Fire-based, so I might as well use it. Spinner + sponge.

Blissey@Leftovers
Calm
252def/216sp.def/40HP

Aromatherapy
Softboiled
Thunder Wave
Seismic Toss

Special sponge + Cleric. I really like Wish support, but my Aromatherapy is much more important.
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To be honest...I just threw this team together as I was typing. It's probably really flawed and not that great. It could use more Sunny Day support as well.

Anyway, help me out here. Look for threats along weather-based teams more importantly.

Major Weather-based Threats: Gyarados, Kyogre, Infernape

 

[luke]

Two Sunny Day teams without Exeggutor in one day. I'm appalled. :<

 

[ABYAY]

Exeggutor has been losing much of value lately because of the advances in dark types, making Psychic rather useless. I was considering it, I'll admit. Explosion is always fun.

I don't need to worry about Blissey anymore. I figured out that Aromatherapy and Wish is illegal.

 

[Ársa]

Okay, I've been looking at Ooka's Weather Tournament thread, and I'm liking this idea I came up with.

For those that haven't seen the thread, two Ubers are allowed; Groudon and Kyogre. I decided to go with the rarer of the two pokemon and chose Sun over Rain. Why? Well...

Groudon@Leftovers
Brave
252 Atk, 212 HP, 44 Def

Swords Dance
Earthquake
Fire Punch
Dragon Claw

Basically, this is a defensive Groudon. "ABY, why don't you just pop on a Choice Band and kill things?" Very simple; I'm going to need the sun a LOT through the game, and this idea is a good one for a lot of survivability. Fire Blast deals with Abomasnow, while Earthquake nails T-Tar. For Rain Dance...haven't figured it out yet. Quake from Groudon hits ANYTHING pretty dang hard except for fliers and Forretress. *Hi Fire Blast!*

NO! It needs more Brave! Swords Dance Groudon is sooooooooo scary it isn't funny. You want it to be as slow as possible to make sure you get the early advantage with the weather. (btw, Fire Punch >> Fire Blast)

Roserade@Choice Specs
Timid
252sp.atk/252spd/6HP

Leaf Storm
Weather Ball
HP Electric/HP Ice
Shadow Ball

"ABY you're a n00b for not putting Solarbeam on Roserade!" SILENCE FOOL! I won't always have the weather, and this is where the best move for weather game comes into play; Weather Ball. Having a 100BP Fire/Ice/Rock/Water move is a lot of fun. Leaf Storm owns like Salamence's Draco Meteor with less coverage. HP Electric handles water types, whilist Ice will deal with any dragons that like to bother me.

I hate j00!!!11! >_<

Heatran@Life Orb
Modest
52HP/252sp.atk/204spd

Metal Sound / Taunt
Fire Blast / Lava Plume
Earth Power
HP Grass


I don't like Blissey...at all. The bottom set ensures that Blissey is destroyed, whilist the top gives me better overall coverage. I just better hope it isn't the Wish Protectin Bliss.

Lava Plume can seriously dent the likes of Tyranitar wanting to switch in to change the weather, as you can pose a threat of a burn to cripple it. HP GRASS will be more helpful here as most Kyogre in the tournament (If people are smart) will be slow so they can start the battle with their weather. (i.e. Brave Groudon, Quiet Kyogre, Brave Tyranitar, Quiet Abomasnow) Taunt can seriously cripple Blissey etc.

Charizard@Life Orb/Leftovers
Adamant
252atk/252spd/6HP

Dragon Dance
Flare Blitz
Dragon Claw
Earthquake

Call this the Dragonite wannabe, only with key power in Fire! I want BellyZard, but I don't have a Salac Berry. Anyway, set up, and sweep.

I really don't like it here. Just adds another weakness and many sweepers can do it better.

Forretress@Leftovers
Relaxed
252def/252HP/6atk

Gyro Ball
Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Rapid Spin

"x9000 fire damage to Forry?" I know what you're thinkin. However, Forretress dies to basically everything that's Fire-based, so I might as well use it. Spinner + sponge.

Meh. You need a Rapid Spinner, so w/e. I would rather something else though...

Blissey@Leftovers
Calm
252def/216sp.def/40HP

Aromatherapy
Softboiled
Thunder Wave
Seismic Toss

Special sponge + Cleric. I really like Wish support, but my Aromatherapy is much more important.

I suppose.
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To be honest...I just threw this team together as I was typing. It's probably really flawed and not that great. It could use more Sunny Day support as well.

Anyway, help me out here. Look for threats along weather-based teams more importantly.

Major Weather-based Threats: Gyarados (only HP Electric stops it unless I go Stone Edge on Groudon)

Kyogre seriously does not give a damn what you do. Once it gets in 2 Calm Minds, not even Roserade can touch it in all seriousness, and you're OHKO'd by Ice Beam. Heatran won't be doing much even with HP GRASS, but at least it gives you a slight chance. Opposing Groudon won't need to worry much after Roserade goes down, especially if you decide to keep your Groudon running a tanking role. Now that I look, OMFG Mix-Ape!

Forretress - Flamethrower
Groudon - Grass Knot
Roserade - Flamethrower
Blissey - Close Combat
Heatran - Close Combat
Charizard - Stone Edge

I really don't like it much ABY...

~T_S

 

[Dark Azelf]

Groudon@Leftovers
Impish/Relaxed
252HP/176Def/88sp.def

Earthquake
Stone Edge / Shadow Claw / Dragon Claw
Rest
Sleep Talk

Last two can be considered


Roserade@Choice Specs
Timid
252sp.atk/252spd/6HP

Leaf Storm
Weather Ball
HP Ice
Shadow Ball

Hp Electric for water types eh ABYAY, im going to let you think about that for a bit XD, HP Ice plzzz.

Heatran@Life Orb
Modest
52HP/252sp.atk/204spd

Metal Sound
Fire Blast
Earth Power / Taunt
HP Ice/ HP Grass / Hp Electric / Taunt

Yeah, Taunt can be used on this, aswell as well to completely shut down bliss, also shuts down most walls

Charizard@Salac berry
Adamant
252atk/252spd/4 def

Substitute
Belly Drum
Fire Punch
Earthquake

DD Zard fails really badly this is just an inferior Dragonite in all honestly, Belly Zard is WAY better, it sweeps teams, Fire Punch from this ohko's bulky gyarados even after a few intimidates. You will have +1 speed, Blaze activated and + 6 att and possibly a sub up =)

Just make sure your HP is divisable by 4, so salac activates after you sub, leaving you with 25% hp left.


Forretress@Leftovers
Relaxed
252def/252HP/6atk

Gyro Ball
Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Rapid Spin

Yay

Blissey@Leftovers
Calm
252def/216sp.def/40HP

Aromatherapy
Softboiled
Thunder Wave
Seismic Toss

Yay
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Comments in bold

Yeah, needs moar Jumpluff Exeggutor and Chlorophyll abusing idiots. HeatGrowth (Tangrowth) is nice and helps you with your lol Gyarados weak

Zard can force out Mixape though.

 

[ABYAY]

Thanks for the comments; It was 1AM, I was tired, and I was typing out as I went. I noticed one KEY problem. C.Specs Kyogre = death to this team. I could drop Charizard for Tangrowth, as this will give me a sleeper.

I'll go SD Groudon. I was thinking Tank + Groudon = win since it'll have to come back in every once in a while. If I can just SD everything and take it all down, then that'll work too.

I'll have to do something to cope with major Kyogre weakness, and Mixape. Suggestions?

Oh yeah; Anti, HP Electic was for Gyarados. Anyway, updates are made. Completely removed Charizard and needing something with grass and potentially physical.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Thanks for the comments; It was 1AM, I was tired, and I was typing out as I went. I noticed one KEY problem. C.Specs Kyogre = death to this team. I could drop Charizard for Tangrowth, as this will give me a sleeper.

I'll go SD Groudon. I was thinking Tank + Groudon = win since it'll have to come back in every once in a while. If I can just SD everything and take it all down, then that'll work too.

I'll have to do something to cope with major Kyogre weakness, and Mixape. Suggestions?

Oh yeah; Anti, HP Electic was for Gyarados.

Dark, not Anti lol

That is why only allowing ONLY 2 ubers is stupid, Groudon and Kyogre cause over centralization, pretty much only Latias and Sp.Defensive Dialgs can counter C Specs Kyogre. Scarf is easier to counter.

Try Shedinja ;)


I cant even mention frikkin Lanturn because your using a Sunny day team =/



As for mixape,


Tentacruel@leftovers
204 HP / 74 DEF / 60 SP.ATT / 172 SP.DEF
Calm nature
Trait : liquid Ooze
- Sludge Bomb
- Ice Beam
- knock off
- Toxic Spikes / Giga Drain.

Again you cant use surf due to the sun.....So try that.

 

[ABYAY]

Sorry for that Azelf; I was busy! *kill'd*

Replace the Charizard with Shedinja? I could...just wish Will-O-Wisp had 100% accuracy in Sun.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Sorry for that Azelf; I was busy! *kill'd*

Replace the Charizard with Shedinja? I could...just wish Will-O-Wisp had 100% accuracy in Sun.

Shedinja@Focus Sash
Adamant Nature
255 ATT / 255 SPEED
~ Shadow Sneak
~ Will-O-Wisp / Toxic
~ X-Scissor
~ Swords Dance

You can use Protect aswell somewhere here aswell ;)

OR

Shedinja@Choice Band
Adamant Nature
255 ATT / 255 SPEED
~ Shadow Sneak
~ X-Scissor
~ Shadow Claw
~ Aerial Ace



With the Tentacruel i posted, thats your Infernape problem sorted aswell..

 

[ABYAY]

I went with the CB set so I can Ace on its anticipated switch in. I'd rather cripple with paralysis than burns.

Front page updated.

 

[Dark Azelf]

I went with the CB set so I can Ace on its anticipated switch in. I'd rather cripple with paralysis than burns.

Front page updated.

Your still mixape weak =/, what happens if it comes in on something thats not Shedinja, say forry ?


Tenta NOAW !!!

 

[ABYAY]

You sure love your Tenta; What could I replace with it?

 

[Dark Azelf]

You sure love your Tenta; What could I replace with it?

Either Roserade or Heatran.

Is Tangrowth coming in aswell to help with gyarados ? If not, i suggest Scarfing whoever you dont replace so you can revenge kill Gyarados, its not the most practical way, but meh.

 

[ABYAY]

(tries this post for the THIRD TIME!)

If I drop Roserade, I lack a powerful grass move and weather coverage. If I lose Heatran, my fire absorption won't be as good.

What would you suggest?

 

[Dark Azelf]

(tries this post for the THIRD TIME!)

If I drop Roserade, I lack a powerful grass move and weather coverage. If I lose Heatran, my fire absorption won't be as good.

What would you suggest?

tenta can still come in on fire attacks.

Although, looking at it again, if you Scarf Heatran, you can come in on Ape to revenge kill.


But i would suggest Tangrowth >> Rose, for the Gyarados counter.

Tangrowth@Heat Rock / Leftovers
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
Trait : Chlorophyll
~ Sunny Day / Knock off / Sludge Bomb /Grass Knot
~ SolarBeam / Grass Knot
~ Sleep Powder
~ Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice

 

[ABYAY]

okay, so how's this?

Tangrowth@Leftovers
Modest
252sp.atk/252spd/6HP

Grass Knot/Solarbeam
HP Ice/HP Fire
Sleep Powder
Focus Blast/Sludge Bomb

I could drop to 248spd/10HP, but that'd be almost worthless. I'd might as well hit 398 speed rather than 396. The last slot is just a little bit of filler. HP is up in there there; Ice for even MORE coverage with Ice against Dragons/fliers, or HP fire to nail Skarm and Forretress. I might go fire if that's the case.

Front page to be updated here soon.

 

[Dark Azelf]

20 HP / 252 Sp.A / 236 Speed on Scarf Tran, it lets you outspeed, Zam, Sceptile and most importantly, Dugtrio =)


Hp Ice >> HP Grass, you have enough coverage with Tangrowth with that.


Fire Blast >> Lave Plume.

 

[ABYAY]

How about Overheat? Could it also be an option?

Anyway, front page updated.

 

[Dark Azelf]

What Brave on Groudon, just use Adamant ...

 

[ABYAY]

Simple Azelf; I NEED to be slower to set up weather (just in case of the Quiet Kyogre), which this team basically says "k me wantz it." I may not be able to get the gun everytime, but it'll really help.