Just a suggestion...

[EvanMiesterX]

I'm pretty sure this is the right forum to post this in... Anyways, I was in the wireless trade corner, and i read the rules and it says you cannot trade any pokemon caught or edited using a cheating device such as an AR. Well, i later found out that you cannot trade pokemon that you cloned using an AR. I think that you should be able to trade them, since the pokemon are not truly "edited" and you didnt use the AR to catch them, so they would, technically be legit. I also think that if a pokemon is caught legitamately, then it will always be legit, even if it is cloned by using an AR. I think that AR cloning should be allowed, because, as i said before, they are caught legitamately, just cloned using an AR. If you moderators think that it shouldn't be allowed to clone with an AR, please tell me why, because i just wasted some of my best pokemon up for trade because i have pokemon that are considered "hacked" because they are AR cloned, and i also wasted $30 buying an AR to clone my pokemon. If you decide that AR cloning still isnt allowed, at least clearly put that in the Wireless Trade Corner rules.

 

[Midnight Beat]

Well since you used the AR to modify you game cartridge that isn't avalible to the general public with out spending extra $$$; it's cheating.

 

[EvanMiesterX]

Well, think of it this way: that means that GTS cloning is cheating, too, because the people that dont have wi-fi cant clone they're pokemon either, without having to pay extra money for a wi-fi usb connector or a modem.

 

[Midnight Beat]

Well, think of it this way: that means that GTS cloning is cheating, too, because the people that dont have wi-fi cant clone they're pokemon either, without having to pay extra money for a wi-fi usb connector or a modem.

Good point, but look at it this way; the GTS glitch is built into the game, with the AR you have to override the games programing.

 

[EvanMiesterX]

but GTS cloning is an accident that was never supposed to be there, and to AR clone, you override the games programming, so both of them are parts of the game that shouldnt be tampered with, because you are messing with something that was never supposed to be there when you GTS clone, and when you AR clone, you override the games programming, so i think that if GTS cloning is allowed, then so should AR cloning. Also, by GTS cloning, you are abusing a glitch that was never supposed to be put into the game, so you are taking advantage of Nintendo's mistake

 

[xxFrozenFlower]

but GTS cloning is an accident that was never supposed to be there, and to AR clone, you override the games programming, so both of them are parts of the game that shouldnt be tampered with, because you are messing with something that was never supposed to be there when you GTS clone, and when you AR clone, you override the games programming, so i think that if GTS cloning is allowed, then so should AR cloning. Also, by GTS cloning, you are abusing a glitch that was never supposed to be put into the game, so you are taking advantage of Nintendo's mess-up

That really is true lol. I don't really want to get too much into this, but if people are fully aware of what the GTS cloning glitch does and performs it purposely to clone, it does abuse an accidental glitch that doesn't (or shouldn't... xD) really belong.
I don't want to be bickery... but what you say makes sense, either both cloning should be allowed or both banned or something. xD But that's just the way I see it...

 

[EvanMiesterX]

That really is true lol. I don't really want to get too much into this, but if people are fully aware of what the GTS cloning glitch does and performs it purposely to clone, it does abuse an accidental glitch that doesn't (or shouldn't... xD) really belong.
I don't want to be bickery... but what you say makes sense, either both cloning should be allowed or both banned or something. xD But that's just the way I see it...

man, i wish that you were a mod (lol) because then you would have more say in this then i would. but she's right, either both should be allowed or both should be banned, not one banned and one allowed

 

[Always and Never]

Not really >.>

Any pokemon that has been caught in any way using an Action Replay is hacked, no matter how you put a spin on it.

 

[EvanMiesterX]

but it wasnt CAUGHT using an AR, it was cloned. that means, techinically, still legit. i still dont see a reason why AR cloning shouldn't be allowed.
if you disagree, post and say why, because ive made a good reason for every reason it shouldnt be allowed so far, so if i can find at least ONE good reason that AR cloning shouldnt be allowed, ill give up and agree that it should stay something that isnt allowed.

EDIT: AR cloning is something that is technically the same as GTS cloning, because they both have the same result, your pokemon cloned! so why should one be allowed, and the other banned? try answering that! AR cloning and GTS cloning are really the same thing, just AR cloning is faster, more efficient, and safer! it is much faster, because it always works, more efficient because it pretty much cant mess up, and safer because you have no chance of your pokemon being traded to someone for a lvl 100 wurmple (yes, that happened to me)! So if GTS cloning is allowed, then so should AR cloning!

 

[Gary the Magic Fairy]

I agree. They do the exact same thing. Either both or neither should be allowed.

But, on the other hand, how can anyone tell the difference? Anyone can clone using an AR and claim they GTS cloned it; the rule is pointless. No one can prove otherwise.

 

[EvanMiesterX]

I agree. They do the exact same thing. Either both or neither should be allowed.

But, on the other hand, how can anyone tell the difference? Anyone can clone using an AR and claim they GTS cloned it; the rule is pointless. No one can prove otherwise.

you have a point, but one way to tell is if they tell you they're gonna clone them, and it takes them like 30 sec to get 6 clones of it, thats defnitely AR cloning. anyways, thank you for agreeing with me! but if you clone faster, that would help a lot of people, because they'd get their pokemon faster, and you wouldnt have to keep people waiting if you were like me, who sucks at the GTS cloning glitch, and needs to use an AR to clone

 

[Death_Mande]

I agree. AR cloning removes all of the risks of the GTS cloning brings up. But sometimes, when you AR clone, your pokemon disapears because of an error maybe. But anyways, If GTS Cloning is allowed, then AR cloning should too.

 

[EvanMiesterX]

I agree. AR cloning removes all of the risks of the GTS cloning brings up. But sometimes, when you AR clone, your pokemon disapears because of an error maybe. But anyways, If GTS Cloning is allowed, then AR cloning should too.

well, id rather lose my pokemon during AR cloning then get it traded off for a lvl 100 wurmple or a lvl 1 deoxys! GTS cloning can make you lose your pokemon, and all you get is a hack sometimes, i mean seriously, i get rid of all of my hacks on the GTS as soon as i get them

 

[Midnight Beat]

i get rid of all of my hacks on the GTS as soon as i get them

Your kind of contradicting your self with that statement. You are saying that AR cloning should be allowed because it is a copy of the original. Alright, a AR is a device that hacks into a game to alter the game in a way that wouldn't be available during normal game play, aka hacking.

 

[EvanMiesterX]

Your kind of contradicting your self with that statement. You are saying that AR cloning should be allowed because it is a copy of the original. Alright, a AR is a device that hacks into a game to alter the game in a way that wouldn't be available during normal game play, aka hacking.

GTS cloning it abusing a glitch that isnt supposed to be in the game, aka abusing which is just as bad as hacking. also, what i mean by getting rid of my hacks is getting rid of the hacks i receive while trying to clone on the GTS, so sometimes all GTS cloning gives you is a hacked pokemon

 

[Rock_lee]

GTS cloning it abusing a glitch that isnt supposed to be in the game, aka abusing which is just as bad as hacking. also, what i mean by getting rid of my hacks is getting rid of the hacks i receive while trying to clone on the GTS, so sometimes all GTS cloning gives you is a hacked pokemon

Evan has a point ether both should be allowed or both should be baned.

 

[EvanMiesterX]

Evan has a point either both should be allowed or both should be banned.

AR cloning and GTS cloning are the pretty much exact same thing, so, like he and I have said, they should both be allowed or both be banned, because, as i have saod before, they have the same result, do pretty much the same thing, just AR cloning is better and costs more money, so that means if you pay more money, you get better cloning than if you buy a wi-fi usb connector, which is cheaper, with harder cloning. In other words, its like this:

More $$$ = better, faster cloning
Less $$$ = slower, less efficient cloning

just like in real life, the more money you spend, the better things you get

 

[Sylphiel]

As far as I know and remember, the D/P mods got rid of AR cloning because they didn't want anything that had to do with a hacking device to be traded through PC, even if the pokemon itself wasn't hacked. If you feel that rule should be changed, then go present your arguments about it to them, since debating about it here won't do much (to be honest, I'm not sure if they've even seen this topic). Though be warned that it might not change anything even if you do, since they had their reasons for putting up that rule in the first place.

 

[CristWii]

I think Evan has a point. AR cloning is much easier and faster. You also have less chance of loosing your Pokemon.


On the other hand, GTS cloning is harder and slower. You also risk your Pokemon from hackers, who get what you put as what you wanted, and steal your Pokemon.


They do the same so either both should be legit, or both banned.

 

[Jelo]

I REALLY agree it is faster and safer even though it cost like 25 dollars its worth it