My Improvements to HM's so people will actually want to use them.

[Darverses]

Cut - Give it 100% accuracy and high crit. ratio. (essentially a slightly weaker Slash.)

Fly - It's fine, and if it doesn't, give it 100% accuracy.

Surf - Fine.

Strength - Fine.

Flash - Give it 100% accuracy and sharply reduce accuracy and effect both opponents in 2v2.

Rock Smash - Make it always hit first and a 100% chance to reduce defense.

Waterfall - Fine.

Rock Climb - Shouldn't even exist, but I guess it's okay.

Whirlpool - Make it do more damage.

Defog - :|...

Just my opinions I've been thinking about since I started playing Crystal again.

What are your opinions on HM's? And how would you improve them?

 

[rockman0]

Overall, I think that Pokemon should have an "Ability slot" or something that allowed them to learn two HM's as well as the two Tm's. To balance things, the HM slot thing could only be used outside of battle and the main four could be used in battle. if the player wants to use an HM in battle, then they can learn the move in the main four slots.

 

[.Missingno]

I Agree with Rockman it gets somewhat annoying when you are needing to learn a HM but it stays forever

 

[Myles]

- Luckily Flash got 100% accuracy in Gen IV, however it lost its HM status for Defog. ._. And I agree, it should affect both opponents, but sharply reducing accuracy is a bit too game breaking imo.
- Fly currently has 95% accuracy, I'm not really fussed with that though, since previously it was the most powerful Flying move anyway.
- For Cut, I say take it a step further and actually make it the same as Slash, with 70 power.
- Whirlpool is alright in competitive battles with its trapping ability. But since it's the in-game Pokemon that are the ones stuck with it, it could do with extra power.
- Rock Climb could do with a name change.
- Defog should no longer be a HM and its out of battle effect should be done by Flash.
- Rock Smash improved somewhat with 40 power, although I think it should be raised to 60. A 60 power fighting move with a 50% chance of lowering Defence isn't that bad.
- Dive improved a lot in Gen IV by having its power raised from 60 to 80. But its still worse than Waterfall in almost every way, losing a 20% chance of flinching for a semi-invulerable turn. As such I think it should be increased to 90 power.
- Waterfall improved a lot in Gen IV with the special-physical split, since it is no longer worse than Surf in every single way.
- Strength is fine imo, although I'd like it to be Fighting.
- Surf is great imo.

 

[DonRoyale]

it's called bibarel or pelipper, BADURR

Cut is a high-PP damage move, good for chaining.
Fly is worthless, being a two-turn move lol. So many people use it too, which is tarded.
Surf is great of course. They NERFED it, it was THAT good.
Strength is meh. who cares anyway.
Flash is worthless and banned in actual tournaments anyway.
Defog is poop, and even more worthless than Flash.
Whirpool is meh. Trapping moves are generally worthless yet people would still use Fire Spin because THEY CAN KILL IT WITH FIRE AND THAT IS OBVIOUSLY OMGSOCOOL
Rock Smash has its uses, but has a low base power.
Waterfall is fantastic. One of the best HM's, if not the best.
Rock Climb...confuses? Really?

They don't need to change. What needs to change is that people need to stop putting HM's on their ingame team and catch Bibarel and Pelipper. >_>

 

[Myles]

They don't need to change. What needs to change is that people need to stop putting HM's on their ingame team and catch Bibarel and Pelipper. >_>

Most people do use them. But this is about improving them.

Fly is worthless, being a two-turn move lol. So many people use it too, which is tarded.

It's not worthless unless you're in a double battle. Semi-invulnerable turns aren't ideal, but it's not that bad and can, in certain circumstances, even have benefits.

Surf is great of course. They NERFED it, it was THAT good.

Only for double battles.

Flash is worthless and banned in actual tournaments anyway.

Not all tournaments, only ones run by people who are afraid of hax/evasion.

 

[SantasStantler]

I like the idea of powering up HM's. But i think making HM's semi-decent, and being able to reuse HM's over, and over again is a little ridiculous.

Your list seems fine, but Rock Smash is too overpowered, I like the priority, but the 100% chance of decreasing defence is a bit broken.

 

[Myles]

But i think making HM's semi-decent, and being able to reuse HM's over, and over again is a little ridiculous.

Some of the most powerful TMs are rebuyable for cheap prices.

 

[♣Gawain♣]

All are fine, but I hope they make it deletable when we replace it with other TM/HM. Time consuming to Fly to the Move Deleter.

 

[Pokedude45]

I never use them inside battle and my torterra (from my diamond not platinum) is my HM slave

 

[Charmageddon]

I despise HMs. No need to make them more useful, just ditch them completely and have Key Items instead. (Chainsaw for Cut, Boat for Surf, Torch/Flashlight for Flash, etc.)

 

[Amore]

I agree with Charmageddon.i mean, ffs, people can squeeze past small trees, or climb them, or climb the fence next to them

 

[Myles]

The intention of HMs is to give Pokemon other abilities than just battling to further immerse the player in the Pokemon world.

 

[Polizard]

Meh never use any Hms beside surf and i think that is the same with lots of people and occasional i teach a pokemon with high attack stat i will teach it strength

 

[Skaisdead]

Make Defog a variation of Rapid Spin. In essence it does the same thing, except it also clears the obstacles on the opponents field, which is the most ridiculous thing ever.

 

[pokejungle]

I liked the HM slot idea, that would be a great concept. Usually a well rounded team covers almost all HM things anyways, unless you're missing a Flying type.

OP's post was ok besides Flash. That would just way overpower it, like other people said, and it's already banned in competition.

 

[Charmageddon]

The intention of HMs is to give Pokemon other abilities than just battling to further immerse the player in the Pokemon world.

A) You mean like following you around, occasionally picking up items, competing in contests, or having a happiness metre? Seeing as HMs are also battling moves by requirement, I really don't think it helps give the Pokemon a non-battle orientated side very much at all.

B) The "ability slots" that others have mentioned also give Pokemon other abilites than battling, and as they're not in-battle moves they do a better job of it than HMs.

However, I don't agree with ability slots, I think it would still limit the Pokemon you could have on your team - you would still be required to have a water-type for Surf and Waterfall, and a Flying-type for Fly and Defog. I think that natures, happiness, following you around and other stuff gives your Pokemon a life outside battling already, you don't need the HMs to do it as well.

 

[Myles]

A) You mean like following you around, occasionally picking up items, competing in contests, or having a happiness metre? Seeing as HMs are also battling moves by requirement, I really don't think it helps give the Pokemon a non-battle orientated side very much at all.

None of those things were around when HMs were introduced.

 

[Nikorasu]

Heres mine

Cut - Give it 100% accuracy and high crit. ratio. (essentially a slightly weaker Slash.)

Fly - It's fine, and if it doesn't, give it 100% accuracy.

Surf - 100% accuracy and should hit those that are in dig.

Strength - Should hit higher

Flash - Give it 100% accuracy and sharply reduce accuracy and effect both opponents in 2v2.

Rock Smash - Should hit higher and be reduces defence

Waterfall - Fine.

Rock Climb - Rock climb should actually Be the type rock

Whirlpool - When your in the whirlpool should do more dammage

 

[Charmageddon]

None of those things were around when HMs were introduced.

So? They are now, so now we can get rid of HMs.