New Prefix in BW forum

[Cordelia]

It's B2/W2 ... this is very ugly in my opinion and it would be much better suited to just be B/W2. Since much of the discussion (understandably) right now is about B/W2... if we changed the prefix to this it might cause less of an eyesore. Is anyone with me on this or am I just acting alone?

Thanks!

 

[Zelda]

I agree 100%. Funny enough, as a mod of that forum I barely got told that there was going to be a new prefix and it was to be B2/W2. I don't even like the name of the prefix, but when it came to two other people and Forever, they decided upon themselves that this should be the prefix.

Anyway point is, I agree and if anything I would like it to be changed to [B/W2].

 

[Ho-Oh]

It's a prefix. It's not like it matters if it looks ugly or whatever as long as you can tell the difference between Black and White threads and Black 2 and White 2 threads. B2/W2 is the official prefix for the games (which Jake was fine with and said people should start calling the games that), and thus we're following that.

It's Black 2 and White 2, not Black White 2, so it actually makes sense, either way.

Besides, apparently B2/W2 helps PC in Google's listings (or something along those lines, I can't remember what exactly Jake said), where B/W2 wouldn't.

 

[Yoshikkko]

Oh but I agree too, it looks out of place and I think the point is not so much the prefix, but also the fact that it was decided without having Kaori involved in it at all, while she is a partner moderator of BW. Even if B2/W2 is the official and the most convenient name, thinks like this should still be discussed with Kaori as well. Even if administrators already approve of something it should still be told her as well, not just do it and expect her to just be alright with it. She might as well not mod this place fgs if dicisions are going to be behind her back and not involve her. I know this is something minor but it's about the principal of the matter etc.

 

[Zelda]

I understand where Jake is coming from, but just because he says one thing, doesn't mean everyone is going to follow what he says nor do they have to. It's far more complicated for members to say Pokémon Black 2 and Pokémon White 2 compared to having to simply say Pokémon Black and White 2 (which a majority of members are already saying anyway). They both mean the same thing, however the latter is a far more simpler term and easier for members to use. Which is why I think [B/W2] is a much more suitable prefix to use in our forum.

 

[Abnegation]

[B&W2]
Both previous suggestions are unclean and messy to me. I recommend this. I also don't think we need more google advertising, we're already top when you search for Pokemon forums.

 

[Yoshikkko]

I understand where Jake is coming from, but just because he says one thing, doesn't mean everyone is going to follow what he says nor do they have to. It's far more complicated for members to say Pokémon Black 2 and Pokémon White 2 compared to having to simply say Pokémon Black and White 2 (which a majority of members are already saying anyway). They both mean the same thing, however the latter is a far more simpler term and easier for members to use. Which is why I think [B/W2] is a much more suitable prefix to use in our forum.

In addition to that it's not pronounced 'Black White 2' but 'Black- and White 2', which makes more sense than 'Black 2 and White 2'. You don't say that irl either, you say B&W2, because you're not talking about seperate games but about both of them together.


WHAT GAVIN SAID OK

 

[Cordelia]

[B&W2]
Both previous suggestions are unclean and messy to me. I recommend this. I also don't think we need more google advertising, we're already top when you search for Pokemon forums.

I agree with this, [B&W2] is quite clean and nice :D

 

[Ho-Oh]

@Yoshi: Kaori was told of the decision, it actually occurred while she was there and Jake explained everything.

People can still call it Black and White 2 but the fact of the matter is that it's the official name. Why go for an unofficial name just because it looks better?

The games are officially called Black 2 and White 2, not Black and White 2. And thus we should be following that. People can call it what they want but it's the improper way.

You're buying Black 2 or White 2. You're not buying Black or White 2.

 

[Nick]

@Yoshi: Kaori was told of the decision, it actually occurred while she was there and Jake explained everything.

People can still call it Black and White 2 but the fact of the matter is that it's the official name. Why go for an unofficial name just because it looks better?

The games are officially called Black 2 and White 2, not Black and White 2. And thus we should be following that. People can call it what they want but it's the improper way.

You're buying Black 2 or White 2. You're not buying Black or White 2.

This is what was going through my mind reading this thread. The games are called Black 2 and White 2, so I think the prefix should stay as-is. Using & instead of / would be nice, but every other game prefix uses a / instead of & as it is (HG/SS, P/P/Pt), so that wouldn't make much sense.

 

[Abnegation]

Every other game didn't have a 2 at the end of it.

 

[Nick]

That... doesn't change the fact that it should be uniform. O_o

 

[Zelda]

@Yoshi: Kaori was told of the decision, it actually occurred while she was there and Jake explained everything.

People can still call it Black and White 2 but the fact of the matter is that it's the official name. Why go for an unofficial name just because it looks better?

The games are officially called Black 2 and White 2, not Black and White 2. And thus we should be following that. People can call it what they want but it's the improper way.

You're buying Black 2 or White 2. You're not buying Black or White 2.

Actually, I was away from the computer at the time of the discussion. I came back after it was pretty much decided, voiced my opinion, but the prefix was already made.

Also, we're not talking about what looks better, but the fact that it's far more proficient and easier to say "Black and White 2" than having to say "Black 2 and White 2" which means the exact same thing, except the former is a much simpler way of saying it. So, neither of them is improper as you say.

That being said, I wouldn't mind Gavin's prefix suggestion.

 

[Yoshikkko]

It's the same as saying the 'on- and off button', you don't say 'the on-button and the off-button'.There is a way of saying that if you are speaking of two things that both end in the same, and it's no different with these games. Seperately you say them like Black 2, and the other game White 2. When you speak of them together it's 'Black and White 2'. It's just the correct way of saying those sort of things lol.

STOP NINJAING KAOR!!

 

[Guy]

It's the same as saying the 'on- and off button', you don't say 'the on-button and the off-button'.There is a way of saying that if you are speaking of two things that both end in the same, and it's no different with these games. Seperately you say them like Black 2, and the other game White 2. When you speak of them together it's 'Black and White 2'. It's just the correct way of saying those sort of things lol.

STOP NINJAING KAOR!!

...and that my darlings is how the English language works.

I don't think anyone has said it better than Yoshikkko's post right here. Since this prefix is suppose to specify the discussion of both games and not just one in particular, then the proper prefix to use is [B&W2] as Gavin proposed earlier. There really isn't much else to say other than that in my opinion.

 

[Oryx]

Actually, I was away from the computer at the time of the discussion. I came back after it was pretty much decided, voiced my opinion, but the prefix was already made.

Also, we're not talking about what looks better, but the fact that it's far more proficient and easier to say "Black and White 2" than having to say "Black 2 and White 2" which means the exact same thing, except the former is a much simpler way of saying it. So, neither of them is improper as you say.

That being said, I wouldn't mind Gavin's prefix suggestion.

Looking back on the logs, you were there, just not actually expressing your opinion (you spoke in the middle of the conversation, but only to say you weren't there/didn't exist instead of actually contributing to the conversation).

[22:01] <@Forever> OH BTW SOTOMURA
[22:01] <@Forever> CAN WE HAVE PREFIXES
[22:01] <@Forever> EVETUALLY
[22:01] <@Forever> FOR BW2 AND BW
[22:02] <@Forever> or now even
[22:02] <~Sotomura> I was thinking of a B2/W2 prefix
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[22:04] <%foreverleftoutmod> why cant we
[22:04] <%foreverleftoutmod> ask kaori too
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[22:06] <~Sotomura> There
[22:06] <~Sotomura> It's a special prefix
[22:06] <%foreverleftoutmod> oh i forgot to say
[22:06] * NatesterTheSecond is now known as Natester
[22:06] <%foreverleftoutmod> I DONT EXIST

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So you were there, but instead of taking the initiative to state your opinion as Nica did up there requesting the prefix, you chose to not say anything unless you were directly asked your opinion, so you ended up not saying anything at all.

As far as the prefix, I don't think it really matters one way or the other. I personally think B2/W2 looks nicer, so it's just a matter of taste. I feel like B/W2 is unbalanced and asymmetrical, haha. Both are usable and grammatically correct in their own way. But out of the people that matter in making the prefix, one mod like B2/W2, the other likes B/W2 or B&W2 (not sure which you're advocating), and the admin that made it likes B2/W2, so it tips it in favor of that one.

@Pagerank: We don't have anything about Black 2 and White 2 yet so having them there written out does add to our Pagerank and helps us get higher when those terms are searched for. We already rank high in terms like "Pokemon forum" but we have nothing that makes us rank high in "Black 2 White 2", so our rank in another set of search terms is irrelevant.

 

[Karma Police]

It's the same as saying the 'on- and off button', you don't say 'the on-button and the off-button'.There is a way of saying that if you are speaking of two things that both end in the same, and it's no different with these games. Seperately you say them like Black 2, and the other game White 2. When you speak of them together it's 'Black and White 2'. It's just the correct way of saying those sort of things lol.

STOP NINJAING KAOR!!

THIS. This simply summed up everything lol. Usually when you are saying things like this you simply use the common word only once.

It's same thing if you say Pokemon Black and White. The same argument (and logic tbh) can be presented here, the fact is, both Black and White have Pokemon in their names. But you still call them Pokemon Black and White, no? Not Pokemon Black and Pokemon White (at least, most people near me use the former, and not the latter. I'm assuming others do the same as well).

So yeah I like the [B&W2] Prefix more.

 

[Zelda]

tldr stuff

Why leave out the part where I said "I actually like [B/W2] better"? Instead of discussing it out more, Jake proceeded to go ahead and do what you guys already discussed, I only came in too late.

Anyway I agree with DeepImpact, Yoshiko's post pretty much sums things up and it would be nice to have the prefix be [B&W2].

 

[Blizz]

First I was like "Meh, it's just one prefix." but then I realized how interesting this topic is when I scrolled all the way down. Personally I like [B/W2] more than [B2/W2] because it sounds so good compared to [B2/W2]. Like Yoshi said, you don't say Black 2 and White 2, it sounds horrible. [B2/W2] might be the official but what about then when other members wants the other prefix? Post comments came back because members wanted them to come back. Members are also viewing this forum, not just a staff, so in this case [B2/W2] would be much better. It's just my opinion.

 

[Oryx]

Why leave out the part where I said "I actually like [B/W2] better"? Instead of discussing it out more, Jake proceeded to go ahead and do what you guys already discussed, I only came in too late.

Anyway I agree with DeepImpact, Yoshiko's post pretty much sums things up and it would be nice to have the prefix be [B&W2].

You didn't say that when the discussion was happening. In fact, these are all the things you said afterwards, in order:

[22:07] <%foreverleftoutmod> i want B/W & B2/W2
[22:07] <%foreverleftoutmod> because like
[22:07] <@Forever> yeah I want BW too
[22:07] <%foreverleftoutmod> i just want b/w for weekly polls
[22:07] <%foreverleftoutmod> i hate the 2 geez i dont even want b2w2 lol
[22:07] <@Forever> okay yeah B/W
[22:07] <%foreverleftoutmod> thats so annoying
[22:07] <@Forever> wow jake
[22:07] <@Forever> that doesnt look pretty
[22:07] <@Forever> ;;
[22:08] <@Forever> WHY CANT WE JUST HAVE B2/W2 ;;
[22:08] <@Forever> if so you could just go
[22:08] <%foreverleftoutmod> why cant we just have bw

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[22:08] <@Forever> OH
[22:08] <@Forever> HE DID IT
[22:08] <@Forever> YES
[22:08] <%foreverleftoutmod> what are we doing
[22:08] <@Forever> 10/10 FOR YOU
[22:08] <%foreverleftoutmod> lol
[22:09] * Usagi-Chan , THE GREAT MOON PRINCESS CRYSTAL TOKYO QUEEN WHO IS A GUY HAS SPOKEN! AND SO IT IS LAW!
[22:09] <%Toujours> he did what
[22:09] <Usagi-Chan> I thought B2/W2 looked nice
[22:09] <@Forever> HE DID B2/W2
[22:09] <@Forever> :333
[22:09] <%foreverleftoutmod> I LIKE HOW I DONT EXIST
[22:09] <@Forever> kaori you suggested

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[22:10] <%foreverleftoutmod> i suggested and everyone ignored duh
[22:10] <%foreverleftoutmod> the word compromise doesnt exist anymore

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[22:11] <%foreverleftoutmod> this is worse
[22:11] <%foreverleftoutmod> there's more 2's
[22:11] <%foreverleftoutmod> yay for messing with my mind
[22:11] <%foreverleftoutmod> why not just BW2

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Five minutes after the actual discussion and what was actually done, after saying you wanted B2/W2, then you suggested it. And it wasn't because you weren't there, that was an outright lie from you, because I just proved you were there. You can ask anyone with logs, these are exact quotes and times from them. It didn't take you five minutes to type out the line "why not just BW2", you just chose not to express your opinion until after it had already been decided. You weren't talked over and ignored, you chose to not say anything consciously until it had already been created.

Like I said, in the end the opinions that matter are the two moderators of the section and the admin that made the prefix, and if you take only those opinions into account it's 2/3 B2/W2, 1/3 B&W2. If the two moderators don't agree on something, isn't the automatic result to take it to a higher staff member to see what they agree with? You guys were discussing with a higher staff member at the time and he expressed his opinion, therefore breaking the tie. I see no reason beyond your own personal preference for someone to go change it again, which is in all honesty a really silly reason to change it, because some people think it looks ugly. It's not incorrect language, it's not offensive, there's really no reason to change it other than "I think it looks ugly".

Also @Black and White: The site doesn't even say "Pokemon Black and White" anywhere, just Black and White. So that's completely irrelevant, since it's not mentioned on the forums at all ever.