Poke'Grammar

[Pieman50]

Ok.. so first of all, this is the only forum topic I could find that's closely related to what I have to say, so if this needs to be moved, please do so. Thank you.


So.. in my first few days in these forums, I've been noticing a lot of people screwing up their grammar. Now i'm not saying any names, but it's been happening a lot.

What I've noticed is that people refer to the acronyms of games as such:


Red, Blue & Yellow = RBY

FireRed & LeafGreen = FRLG

Gold, Silver & Crystal = GSC

HeartGold & SoulSilver = HGSS

Ruby, Sapphire & Emerald = RSE

Diamond, Pearl & Platinum = DPP

*(Pt is the periodic element for Platinum. Since this is related to a video game that has nothing to do with Platinum, I believe it would be more appropriate to use 'P' instead of 'Pt'.)

Black & White = BW


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I don't believe this is correctly formatted. Let me explain as best I can:


When someone says RBY, you think Ruby, because that's actually an acronym, or rather an initial of Ruby, and not RedBlueYellow.

When someone says R/B/Y, you may not have the spaces, and it may not technically be different from what it was originally, but the '/' mark sort of defines the point where each word is seperate from one another.

In terms of initials, you are STILL implying that R/B/Y is Red, Blue & Yellow, but with '/' marks instead so that the acronym doesn't appear to define something completely different.

Essentially, that's my thread in a nutshell. I hope we can all have a calm debate about this instead of turning it into a war.



EDIT: Bits & Pieces of my original post were edited out for the sake of keeping a calm debate about this. Essentially, people believed I was implying something completely different from what I was actually trying to say, and so I was flamed. To make these trolls 'starve', I have edited out the 'bad' posts.

 

[Ducklighter]

When I was reading this, I was a little unsure of whether or not you were taking shots at certain people because the constant mention of 'not saying any names'.

Now, while I understand the point you were trying to make, I really don't understand why would go out of your way to make a post about it. I know grammar really grinds people's gears but I say, as long as people understand what you are saying, then should it matter all that much? I mean, this is a community of almost 300,000 and English may not be their first language, something you should take into consideration. Also, the fact that this a community with a mixture of age ranges, another thing you should take into consideration. I think that in the Pokemon forums, it's kind of common knowledge what RBY is and what DPP is, so they wouldn't automatically be like "Hold on, that's the acronym for Ruby.." because they would be a fan of the games and would know what they would mean.

I think it's a point where you need to realise that when it comes to fans of the game/anime or a fandom from another series, game etc, there'll be things that don't essentially comply to grammar strictly and it's just one of those things you just need to accept and move on.


I get where you're coming from but there's also alot to consider when discussing grammar. I also think that the way in which you came across was terrible and should changed immediately if you want a better response from others because even if this wasn't directed at me, I still think this was offensive and you definitely came across as rather on your high horse with that last bit. My suggestion is you lower the attitude and be a bit more understanding. Not everything is black and white, even with grammar.

 

[Yoshikkko]

I don't think you're here to teach us, and while some people may appreciate your input, I really don't see the point at all. First of all it's about personal preference. Some people like one way better than the other, maybe some people don't feel like typing / all the time, and so on. There's no correct way. Also, if people are listing generations and they say 'RBY', I think everyone knows that they are talking about RedBlueYellow and not Ruby. And I don't like how you're so self-righteous. Should we feel graced and blessed that you ~deemed us worthy~ of teaching us about your grammar or what's your point really.

 

[EGKangaroo]

RBY is not an acronym for Ruby. If it actually did mean Ruby, it would be a contraction, not an acronym. Sorry about that, but given that you just went on a massive rant about "pokégrammar", I just had this sudden urge to burst your bubble.

The point of acronyms in general is that it creates a standard short form of a word group that people can easily recognise if they learn it, so they can make a message more compact, much like you see with well-known acronyms such as LOL, ROFL, or LMAO. The problem could be when people start seeing completely other things in such acronyms because they simply haven't learned the word group for which it is used. (e.g. LOL could be mistaken for just the word "fun", if you happen to be Dutch, because "fun" gets translated to "lol" in that language.) This is not the fault of the people who made the acronyms; it is the fault of the people who are too ignorant to learn them.

All in all, no. Nobody is wrong, so you just need to learn your acronyms, because it's not that hard.

P.S.: Well done trying to put the acute accent on that "e", mister grammar.

 

[Oryx]

Gonna have to ask you to tone down the holier-than-thou attitude you have going on in this post please.

As far as acronyms, they go by what's the most commonly used one in the fandom. It's not the fandom's fault that you choose to read something else into the acronym, it's your fault for choosing not to learn it.

In addition, you don't even have the Diamond/Pearl/Platinum acronym right, lol.

Edit: Fun fact: in the professional world, the acronym for Thursday is R. You would think it would be T, but that would clash with Tuesday. But why R? Because that's what's accepted. RBY is the same. It's what's accepted by the fandom, even if you personally don't think it makes sense. No one's planning to change just because you don't like it, you're better off learning what everyone else accepts as a given acronym.

 

[Jobrjo]

I think people know this, they just choose not to do so, seeing how people get the point anyway.

 

[Joshawott]

Just a pro tip for future reference:

Alt 130 = é; Pokémon

 

[Kenshin5]

The acronym for Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum is actually DPPt. And thanks for the lesson, but like others said I don't think our members need preached too. These acronyms have been established throughout the years, and just cause you think a certain member or members is wrong still doesn't change that a majority of the fanbase agrees on these acronyms that have been established.

 

[tj4bigred]

RBY is definitely not an acronym for Ruby. It's just RUBY without the U. I think the idea is most people know what people mean when they say GSC as opposed to G/S/C. In fact, I think the former is more accepted as the norm. Why you want to tell people how they can and cannot make acronyms is beyond me.

And I prefer to use DPPt when referring to the fourth generation games.

 

[Sydian]

Anyone that takes grammar in Pokemon seriously needs to get themselves checked. We're not writing a big English paper on grammar about classifying certain games, so there is absolutely no need to be that rigid about the topic, honestly. If you really want to complain about grammar, there are FAR worse things people do than post RBY instead of R/B/Y. And your demeaning attitude towards everyone that doesn't feel like wasting time with slash marks is unnecessary. People are gonna type how they want to type. It's the internet and it's just abbreviations for games. No one should have to care to this much extent. Now, I hope I've educated you.

 

[Pieman50]

Gonna have to ask you to tone down the holier-than-thou attitude you have going on in this post please.

As far as acronyms, they go by what's the most commonly used one in the fandom. It's not the fandom's fault that you choose to read something else into the acronym, it's your fault for choosing not to learn it.

In addition, you don't even have the Diamond/Pearl/Platinum acronym right, lol.

Edit: Fun fact: in the professional world, the acronym for Thursday is R. You would think it would be T, but that would clash with Tuesday. But why R? Because that's what's accepted. RBY is the same. It's what's accepted by the fandom, even if you personally don't think it makes sense. No one's planning to change just because you don't like it, you're better off learning what everyone else accepts as a given acronym.

I never acted like I was superior to the community. I stated a small disturbance of mine and maybe I was a little assertive, but this community just went ape-**** over it. If anything, it's the other way around.

Like I said, I am obviously mad at some people in this community, but as I have not 'named' anyone, then it wouldn't be degenerating to the fanbase.

Choosing not to learn what? What's correct and what isn't?

Let me re-iterate, RBY is an acronym for Ruby. There is a pokemon game called Ruby. RBY is tied in with Ruby, not RedBlueYellow, which I might add is not even a word in the english dictionary. Case & Point.

D/P/P isn't right? Ok, so i'm supposed to assume that Platinum means something completely different? It's a simple definition of either an Initial or an acronym. According to you, neither.

Thursday has an acronym of 'R'? Cool Story man. I don't care, because it's either off topic, or doesn't relate to my point.


To top it all off, I couldn't help but notice your last paragraph:

"No one's planning to change just because you don't like it, you're better off learning what everyone else accepts as a given acronym."


Crap, now my text is messed up. Oh well.

On topic, what you're essentially telling me is that this community can't accept what is virtually correct in every manner I have stated, and so now I have to degenerate my own education to further please this fanbase?

I'm sorry.. but I would rather die in a fire of one-thousand suns than do that. I'm not accepting garbage, which I MAY ADD is an opinion, and not an insult to the fanbase.

Let me end off by saying that this was not an argument, rather a debate. To clear things up, you used an assertive attitude, which I sort of deserved, and 'egged' me onto give you a clearer perspective of what I believe is right. If you can't accept it, then that's not my problem.

 

[Sydian]

No one's asking you to change how you feel about this, but that being said, you shouldn't try to change what we think, whether it's right or wrong. Po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to, really. It's not like this is a matter of life and death, that being a case where you probably should try to change someone's opinion. And you were being harsh. You said you weren't going to name names, though you might as well have said "SYDIAN I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU" because you told me directly in another thread. Other people saw that from a mile away. And then you go on to undermine our education and teachings as if you're superior. So yes, Toujours' warning was fair and just.

 

[Pieman50]

No one's asking you to change how you feel about this, but that being said, you shouldn't try to change what we think, whether it's right or wrong. Po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to, really. It's not like this is a matter of life and death, that being a case where you probably should try to change someone's opinion. And you were being harsh. You said you weren't going to name names, though you might as well have said "SYDIAN I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU" because you told me directly in another thread. Other people saw that from a mile away. And then you go on to undermine our education and teachings as if you're superior. So yes, Toujours' warning was fair and just.

I see what you're trying to tell me, but the only part of fairness in his warning was my assertive attitude, and not the other allegations which were never implied or said in my original post.

 

[Oryx]

Pieman, I'm a girl. It says that right in my postbit. In every single post I make. Please don't refer to me with masculine pronouns, that's a much graver grammatical mistake than what you're so upset about.

Let me re-iterate, RBY is an acronym for Ruby. There is a pokemon game called Ruby. RBY is tied in with Ruby, not RedBlueYellow, which I might add is not even a word in the english dictionary. Case & Point.

The acronym for Ruby is not RBY. It's R. In fact, if you're trying to be technical, it's not even an acronym:

: a word (as NATO, radar, or laser) formed from the initial letter or letters of each of the successive parts or major parts of a compound term; also : an abbreviation (as FBI) formed from initial letters

It's not a word formed from the initial letters so neither are acronyms, just shortenings.

D/P/P isn't right? Ok, so i'm supposed to assume that Platinum means something completely different? It's a simple definition of either an Initial or an acronym. According to you, neither.

The abbreviation for Platinum is Pt. That's not something made up by the Pokemon fanbase; that's the official abbreviation for the element Platinum on the periodic table. If they called both P, then how would they differentiate between Pearl and Platinum?

Thursday has an acronym of 'R'? Cool Story man. I don't care, because it's either off topic, or doesn't relate to my point.

It does relate. You claim that RBY can only mean one thing because that's what you say it should mean based on some grammatical rule that you claim exists (which is doubtful, unless you can find it somewhere to prove it). Grammatically the rule would be to shorten it to T because it starts with a T. However, because it doesn't make sense in the real world to call it T when Tuesday also starts with T, it's shortened to R. It doesn't make sense to call Ruby RBY when Red, Blue, and Yellow all came before it, so that abbreviation does not stand for Ruby. Simple.

On topic, what you're essentially telling me is that this community can't accept what is virtually correct in every manner I have stated, and so now I have to degenerate my own education to further please this fanbase?

I'm sorry.. but I would rather die in a fire of one-thousand suns than do that. I'm not accepting garbage, which I MAY ADD is an opinion, and not an insult to the fanbase.

Let me end off by saying that this was not an argument, rather a debate. To clear things up, you used an assertive attitude, which I sort of deserved, and 'egged' me onto give you a clearer perspective of what I believe is right. If you can't accept it, then that's not my problem.

You began condescending, and are remaining condescending. If you continue, you're going to receive a disrespect infraction. No one's egging you on when you begin with a post like that.

In addition, I'd like you to find these rules anywhere that state that RBY can't stand for Red Blue Yellow. FBI doesn't stand for Federalbureauinvestigation, although you would seem to imply it should and that the American government hasn't passed the fourth grade for using that name.

If you want to use slashes, hey, no one's stopping you. Just like no one's stopping you from using proper grammatical structure and no chatspeak. That doesn't mean that you have the right to be condescending to those who do and seek to teach them a "lesson"; it's their right to speak as they wish as long as they're within the rules just as it's your right to speak as you wish as long as you're within the rules.

Edit: Using RBY is a fine acronym to mean "Red, Blue, & Yellow". Here are some other acronyms that are similar:

CDOM: Center for Delivery, Organization, and Markets
COTS: Cotton, Oilseeds, Tobacco, and Seeds
DFWED: Division of Foodborne, Waterborne, and Environmental Diseases
DLP: Dairy, Livestock, and Poultry Division

All of these are government agencies, who apparently don't have a fourth grade education. And I didn't even go past D in the alphabetical list of them, because I think you get the idea from those. It's acceptable.

 

[PlatinumDude]

Even though I'm not a mod, I have to agree with whatever the other people above me said. There's no right or wrong way to type out Pokemon-related acronyms. I use the / when I type out the acronyms, but I don't care if anyone else leaves them out.

I also spell out "Pokemon" without the accented "e" most of the time. That's because my laptop doesn't have a number pad to do the "Alt + 130" combination (the numbers above the letters on my keyboard won't even let me do that combination).

And as Toujours pointed out, people go by D/P/Pt when referring to the Gen IV games. To expand, this is because Pearl and Platinum begin with the same letter; the "t" was added to the second P to differentiate the 2 games.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

Copypasta straight from the Metagame Bible known as Smogon:

RBY (Red, Blue, and Yellow)

The games Red, Green, Blue and Yellow make up the first generation. The first generation is defined by its heavy centralization around a few Pokemon, due to the small number of available Pokemon and imbalanced mechanics. The generation was largely Speed oriented, which lead to the popularity of paralysis-inflicting moves, such as Thunder Wave and Body Slam. RBY also has many glitches that may be implemented in a battling simulator.

GSC (Gold, Silver, and Crystal)

Gold / Silver / Crystal is the second generation, most notable for its splitting of the Special stat into Special Attack and Special Defense, in addition to adding two new types of Pokemon: Steel and Dark. The generation also introduced items, such as Leftovers, which helped promote the slow pace and defensively oriented nature it is famous for. Despite the stall-ish nature of the game, stallbreaking tactics can still be effective.

ADV (Advance, or Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald)

The games Ruby / Sapphire / Emerald / FireRed / LeafGreen make up the third generation; it introduced abilities, natures, revamped the IV system, and made stat experience into Effort Values. The introduction of items, such as Choice Band, led to more varied strategies. Introduction of many new Pokemon also made it more difficult to cover every threat. The metagame never truly stabilized despite the heavy usage of certain key Pokemon, such as Blissey, Skarmory, Tyranitar, Celebi, and Swampert.

DPP (Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum)

Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum make up the fourth generation and it is famous for changing attacking mechanics so that physical and special moves were differentiated individually rather than by their type. It introduced a particularly large number of quality Pokemon by giving many lackluster Pokemon new evolutions, while introducing many new attacks that gave many Pokemon from previous generations a chance to shine. This large number of Pokemon to choose from also meant that there were too many threats to prepare for, making it impossible to counter everything your opponent attempts to do. Team advantage also became more significant, with many players gaining advantages before the battle even begins.

BW (Black and White)

Black and White is the current generation of Pokemon and, while it introduced no new (well, known) game mechanics, it brought with it 155 brand-spanking new Pokemon. It also upgraded a lot of Pokemon through the Dream World, which gave many past Pokemon a second or third ability they previously did not have access to. A new battle mechanic, the Team Preview, has also revolutionized the lead metagame, inadvertently making some of the most staple leads of DPP obsolete. All of this, combined with even more new moves, abilities, and items, have expanded the metagame almost exponentially.

Anyone that has been with the Metagame since Generation 1 and 2 know that RBY means Red, Blue, and Yellow.

https://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_pokemon_dictionary

All known Acronyms in the Pokemon Metagame. Smogon is one of the center sites. Basically our Textbook on the Metagame. Not many other sites delve in as far as they do just for the metagame itself. If you are going to argue with Smogon, you are arguing with hundreds of thousands of fans that help fuel the Metagame.

 

[Gonzo]

A great thread! I'm sure all the PokeCommunity will definitely be so greatful that you've loan us a tiny bit of our overwhelming knowlegde, kudos to you!

Anyways, I've seen R fot Thursday, and that's because it could be mistaken with Tuesday if T was used and IT'S COMPLETELY LOGICAL TO ME. Calling Sinnoh games DPP is ok, but using P for Platinum (without DP before it) is confusing, because I couldn't prolly understand if it's Pearl or Platinum (well, if one told me he caught idk, Rhyhorn early In the game, I'd be able to understand that P was Platinum). I don't know who told you that RBY stands for Ruby, but he or she is a big fat liar - it does NOT mean Ruby but Red/Blue/Yellow. On top of that, in your twisted logic, you missed the G letter reffering to Green. Also you probably don't know, but RSEFRLG can be called ADV as well.

See? Your thread is completely POINTLESS - you won't convince us you're right, and as you won't be convinced by us (Toujours, Sydian, awesome posts!) as your post exchange with mods showed out. Please, don't make our blood pressure high, mkay?

 

[donavannj]

Using slashes between the letters strikes me as it being an option type thing like when you choose your gender on paperwork you fill out, which gets printed as M/F.

The games of each generation are supposed to be part of a collective, not options in a list, so the slashes really make no sense in these acronyms, since they are constantly being referred to as a collective. I point you to how each weekday is abbreviated when talking about them as a whole versus how they are abbreviated when presenting them as options:

Collective form, when referring to days you are available to do something: MTWRF (Which would read like so: "I am available Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday to go to the store with you.")

Option form, such as when asking someone what days they are available to do something: M/T/W/R/F (Which would read like so: "Are you available Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday to go to the store?")

Now, if you were listing the games of a given generation as options in a poll-type manner such as asking which one people got first, then it would be appropriate to use the slashes, as the slash ALWAYS replaces the word "or", and "or" is THE ONLY WORD IT REPLACES when used in written English, and when listing them as a collective, "or" is a very inappropriate word to use grammatically. "Or" implies having to choose between them.

Now if you were talking about using an ampersand (this symbol here: "&") in the abbreviations over just mashing the letters together when referring to a generation as a collective, you might have a case for the common acronyms being grammatically incorrect. However, since you are talking about a slash, which, again, always and only replaces the word "or" in written English, you have no case for that being the grammatically correct symbol to use.

 

[Pieman50]

Pieman, I'm a girl. It says that right in my postbit. In every single post I make. Please don't refer to me with masculine pronouns, that's a much graver grammatical mistake than what you're so upset about.



The acronym for Ruby is not RBY. It's R. In fact, if you're trying to be technical, it's not even an acronym:



It's not a word formed from the initial letters so neither are acronyms, just shortenings.



The abbreviation for Platinum is Pt. That's not something made up by the Pokemon fanbase; that's the official abbreviation for the element Platinum on the periodic table. If they called both P, then how would they differentiate between Pearl and Platinum?



It does relate. You claim that RBY can only mean one thing because that's what you say it should mean based on some grammatical rule that you claim exists (which is doubtful, unless you can find it somewhere to prove it). Grammatically the rule would be to shorten it to T because it starts with a T. However, because it doesn't make sense in the real world to call it T when Tuesday also starts with T, it's shortened to R. It doesn't make sense to call Ruby RBY when Red, Blue, and Yellow all came before it, so that abbreviation does not stand for Ruby. Simple.




You began condescending, and are remaining condescending. If you continue, you're going to receive a disrespect infraction. No one's egging you on when you begin with a post like that.

In addition, I'd like you to find these rules anywhere that state that RBY can't stand for Red Blue Yellow. FBI doesn't stand for Federalbureauinvestigation, although you would seem to imply it should and that the American government hasn't passed the fourth grade for using that name.

If you want to use slashes, hey, no one's stopping you. Just like no one's stopping you from using proper grammatical structure and no chatspeak. That doesn't mean that you have the right to be condescending to those who do and seek to teach them a "lesson"; it's their right to speak as they wish as long as they're within the rules just as it's your right to speak as you wish as long as you're within the rules.

Edit: Using RBY is a fine acronym to mean "Red, Blue, & Yellow". Here are some other acronyms that are similar:

CDOM: Center for Delivery, Organization, and Markets
COTS: Cotton, Oilseeds, Tobacco, and Seeds
DFWED: Division of Foodborne, Waterborne, and Environmental Diseases
DLP: Dairy, Livestock, and Poultry Division

All of these are government agencies, who apparently don't have a fourth grade education. And I didn't even go past D in the alphabetical list of them, because I think you get the idea from those. It's acceptable.

Masculin pronouns? When did I ever refer to you as a male or female? A little off-putting, but we're both human beings. I think it would be sexist to treat you differently.


Good. The reason I started this is because other people thought it was an acronym, and you practically just gave me a high-five. Not only was I wrong, but they were wrong too. I used a pointer, they used what they thought was fact.

RBY is a set of initials to mean Ruby. Since we're on topic about pokemon, then that is ALL it means in this thread.

You're trying to make good examples from this. Here's one:

There are humans with 3-letter initials, much like RBY. So if they can have initials, then what prevents RBY from being considered an initial?

Yes, that is because the FBI has nothing to do with pokemon. When you think about it, neither does RBY, because that's the initial for a gem that gemologists use. A rare enough gem as is, so I don't know why this thread is derailing. There are two people in my family that are gemologists. I'm not saying that means I know what i'm talking about, but I at least know how the whole thing works.

Ok, it was never my intent to force anyone into using correct grammar. I only ever mentioned or implied that it upset me, or made me a bit mad. If people want to use it, that's fine, but I would much rather be more comfortable understanding that R/S/E is Ruby, Sapphire, & Emerald instead of RSE which is either some company name, or RubySapphireEmerald.

CDOM, COTS, DFWED, or DLP can mean anything it wants to mean. The main point is that RBY is an 'initial' for Ruby, because it's also classified as a gem, LONG before pokemon even existed.

So now, because I have a logical understanding, or maybe an 'iffy' understanding of what RBY actually implies, you're going to take from my first post, and imply that i'm calling the American Government a bunch of 4th graders?

Let's be fair, even if this thread didn't exist, they're still 4th graders. They know nothing about how to run a country or an economy. Now, I'm not saying I should run the country, but I'm definitely saying they are incompetent. But nontheless, I never implied that they were fourth graders, because I only tried to make an understanding of the word 'RBY'. You added to it, and made it sound like I implied something totally different.


I guess I must re-iterate that this is a debate, and not an argument. Although you will probably give me wrongful infractions for implying that I've been angry, when I really just want to understand a bit more. This has been an interesting debate nontheless, but like I said, no 'names' have been mentioned. I'm not targeting anyone, throwing grenades in their face, or anything of that sort. This is a debate, let's keep it at that until we're done, or until you decide to ignore me. Whichever you prefer.

 

[Gonzo]

Masculin pronouns? When did I ever refer to you as a male or female? A little off-putting, but we're both human beings. I think it would be sexist to treat you differently.


Good. The reason I started this is because other people thought it was an acronym, and you practically just gave me a high-five. Not only was I wrong, but they were wrong too. I used a pointer, they used what they thought was fact.

RBY is a set of initials to mean Ruby. Since we're on topic about pokemon, then that is ALL it means in this thread.

You're trying to make good examples from this. Here's one:

There are humans with 3-letter initials, much like RBY. So if they can have initials, then what prevents RBY from being considered an initial?

Yes, that is because the FBI has nothing to do with pokemon. When you think about it, neither does RBY, because that's the initial for a gem that gemologists use. A rare enough gem as is, so I don't know why this thread is derailing. There are two people in my family that are gemologists. I'm not saying that means I know what i'm talking about, but I at least know how the whole thing works.

Ok, it was never my intent to force anyone into using correct grammar. I only ever mentioned or implied that it upset me, or made me a bit mad. If people want to use it, that's fine, but I would much rather be more comfortable understanding that R/S/E is Ruby, Sapphire, & Emerald instead of RSE which is either some company name, or RubySapphireEmerald.

CDOM, COTS, DFWED, or DLP can mean anything it wants to mean. The main point is that RBY is an 'initial' for Ruby, because it's also classified as a gem, LONG before pokemon even existed.

So now, because I have a logical understanding, or maybe an 'iffy' understanding of what RBY actually implies, you're going to take from my first post, and imply that i'm calling the American Government a bunch of 4th graders?

Let's be fair, even if this thread didn't exist, they're still 4th graders. They know nothing about how to run a country or an economy. Now, I'm not saying I should run the country, but I'm definitely saying they are incompetent. But nontheless, I never implied that they were fourth graders, because I only tried to make an understanding of the word 'RBY'. You added to it, and made it sound like I implied something totally different.


I guess I must re-iterate that this is a debate, and not an argument. Although you will probably give me wrongful infractions for implying that I've been angry, when I really just want to understand a bit more. This has been an interesting debate nontheless, but like I said, no 'names' have been mentioned. I'm not targeting anyone, throwing grenades in their face, or anything of that sort. This is a debate, let's keep it at that until we're done, or until you decide to ignore me. Whichever you prefer.

tl;dr

Go preach your Ruby religion SMWHR LS.

And have a nice day!