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Alice

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    Considering that all of my post comments are still just people wanting to say mean things anonymously, I got to thinking about how they might be made actually useful. I'm not sure if this is possible or not, but I was thinking that you'd have a little icon at the bottom corner of a post that will show up, if the post has any post comments, with a number displaying how many there are. If you click it, it will expand the post, displaying all post comments attached to it right below the post itself, with the name of whoever left the comment. (That's really important, otherwise we'll just get even more people wanting to get the last laugh in an argument.)

    They really have no point as it is, and this will allow people to make quicker, more specific responses to individual people, especially in situations where their response would be considered off-topic, or not worth the effort of a VM. (some moderating would still have to happen, to make sure the comments not completely pointless/hateful/waaay off topic/etc.)
     
    I'd be more supporting of post comments myself nowadays if you could reply to them and see the names of the people who wrote them but that may be asking too much.
     
    I agree, I wish we could see/reply to post comments because most of mine are just people wanting anonymously troll me. Either that or have the option to disable them would be nice.
     
    I guess it could work. Even though I use post comments as short mini-private messages sometimes.
    I think staff actually see a post comment's source. I don't know if they'll ever make that feature available for regular guys.
     
    I wouldn't really want to have them public to everyone, but I would like to remove their anonymity. I think I've left one truly anonymous post comment once I discovered how nice it was as a staff member to be able to see who left mine, so ever since then I've made a point to sign nearly all of my post comments (sometimes I forget though haha). But most of my comments are useless and really are only meant for the person who made the post, not as an actual critique of the post at hand. Take just as an example the last post comment I left someone:

    [PokeCommunity.com] Post Comments


    I leave these kinds of comments all the time, or images, or just silly things that the post made me think of, stuff that doesn't need a public forum and I would honestly give less post comments with that system. I would feel like because my comments are public, I would be spamming up threads still with my off-topic, silly replies to posts. :(

    I'm all for making them not anonymous to remove trolling abilities though!
     
    I actually never understood what on Earth the point was of having them anonymous in the first place except for possibly having another perk to give people when they get modded, and I guess that's a nice thought but it's altogether unnecessary. I really see no down-side to removing anonymity; as Toujours said, if anything it would remove trolling abilities and make the entire experience nicer for everybody.

    Having them anonymous just seems like it's inviting trolling and general nastiness and I guess I just don't understand the thought process that led to that decision in the first place.

    chrunch said:
    I agree, I wish we could see/reply to post comments because most of mine are just people wanting anonymously troll me. Either that or have the option to disable them would be nice.

    Removing the anonymity seems like it would be a hell of a lot less of a nightmare to execute than designing the ability for people to disable them, and it would have much the same effect.

    I don't really agree with the replying part; if you're able to reply to post comments then that would severely blur the line between the utility of post comments and VMs. If you knew who left you the comment and you wanted to reply you could just take it to a VM conversation from there.

    Also someone please fix the omgrep page, it's broken :(
     
    I still stand by the idea that having them anonymous is to stop them being completely redundant alongside PMs. If they're not anonymous then they might as well as not be there. Besides, mods are able to see their own post comment leavers and higher staff can see anyone's post comment leavers, so if something really offensive comes up, it can be reported anyway.
     
    I really think my idea would be perfect in a section like OVP, where we're discouraged from replying to other people's answers, but if you're anything like me, you want to reply to people all the time. But again, no clue if it's possible or not.
     
    But still I don't see why, if you want to reply to someone, you wouldn't VM or PM them. Unless you don't want them to reply to your reply but then there's not much point in doing it anyway.

    Although it seems I'm one of not many people who wants them to stay anonymous and in all honesty that view's probably tainted because I can see who left mine anyway. This is probably just one of those issues I don't really get lol. *shrugs*
     
    I dunno, it might just be me, but I've always thought it was really awkward to respond to a thread post with a VM. lol
     
    Even so, being anonymous is inviting people to troll you, and I'm really tired of not being able to do anything about it, reply, or even see who was trolling me. :x I'm sure a lot people here have trolled with post comments.
     
    There really is no point to it being anonymous. The only sort of comments I've got are "this" or "lol", which is it is not significant to put in a VM, PM or thread - and has no reason to be anonymous. The others are anonymous trolls. I've always felt it was too insignificant to bother reporting, but it still bothered me. What actually is gained from it being anonymous?
     
    I guess I've always seen post comments as just that: small comments made about individual posts. I remember in the brief time when they were disabled, I had to use the VM system to do so, and it would be a hassle - relatively speaking - to find a link of the post in question to then make the VM make any contextual sense. Just clicking the Post Comment button and typing your comment is a much easier way to accomplish the same thing. Indeed, I much prefer post comments to VMs, as it implies that the person has taken time out to read my post and specifically say something (hopefully) positive about it.

    And it's for this reason that I too would like to seen them un-anonymized for everyone. If people are abusing the system to simply spread malicious and hurtful comments anonymously, then that's a bastardization of the system and should be stopped. There's no real policy reason to have them anonymized, considering that staff members can see who sends them with no real damage to the fabric of PC.

    So, I'm all in support of this idea! :D
     
    If it only includes post comments given after the feature has been implemented, then I'm all up for it. I've made a few troll-ish post comments in the past and it would really be better if they were left anonymous (oh god the horror). Ehh, if not, I'm still cool with this.
     
    The anonymity is just left over from the days when post comments were actually reputation. I'm sure nobody would mind if we make it visible to everyone, but lemme double check.

    I think making the content its self public visible is a natural next step from there, so I'd be alright with doing that.
    I'm fine with making them visible but I'd kind of want to wipe them first and start fresh if we do. :/ I know I use post comments anonymously when I'm questioning something like how appropriate a few lines were, whether the post had a point at all, or other minor things that would hopefully make the person review the way they post and improve those things the next time. If they saw the person saying it was an admin, I feel they'd get intimidated by my opinion? And when I do it to friends, if I'm saying it in a post comment, it means I don't want to make a big deal out of it. :s I'm usually not an overly honest person face-to-face which is why I always do it anonymously, haha. And, like Zeffy, some of my comments are one-liner quips that I don't necessarily want my name on because I definitely do not want a reply back. I wouldn't want some of those comments to be retroactively public and I'm sure there are others who feel the same way.

    There's no harm in changing the system so everyone can see who the comment came from and that makes a lot of sense to me, but I think it's fairest to the spirit of the system it evolved from if we delete them all before changing it.
    I dunno, it might just be me, but I've always thought it was really awkward to respond to a thread post with a VM. lol
    I feel 100% the same way. @_@
     
    I feel like most people would just opt out if they could choose whether people could see theirs and the whole thing would end up pointless anyway. :P

    Although if it wasn't difficult to implement, Livejournal did something similar with viewing who'd visited your profile. If you want to see who left you post comments, you'd have to attach your name to all of yours too. Sounds kind of like a headache to figure out, though, since you'd have to figure out retroactivity and all that too. (So that you couldn't just switch to "visible" to view who commented and then switch back to invisible.) Nevermind, it's complicated. XD
     
    Love the idea, would be a whole lot more interesting if people could see them (:
    FOR GOODNESS SAKE DON'T MODERATE THE COMMENTS THOUGH THAT WOULD SUCK A LOT AND POINTLESS COMMENTS ARE COOL WHEN THEY'RE NOT RUDE YOU KNOW YEAH!

    @Toujours, this! Lol, comments like that ought to be visible to everyone, cause they're kinda meant in VMs, dontchathink? 0_0 :b :p d:
     
    Love the idea, would be a whole lot more interesting if people could see them (:
    FOR GOODNESS SAKE DON'T MODERATE THE COMMENTS THOUGH THAT WOULD SUCK A LOT AND POINTLESS COMMENTS ARE COOL WHEN THEY'RE NOT RUDE YOU KNOW YEAH!

    @Toujours, this! Lol, comments like that ought to be visible to everyone, cause they're kinda meant in VMs, dontchathink? 0_0 :b :p d:
    Also adding on to ^, I think you should be able to moderate your own post comments like in Facebook how you can moderate your own statuses and delete rude comments and stuff...of course I know I'm asking too much but just please keep that in mind if you're ever bored and need something to add to PC? (which will be never)
     
    Don't agree with making the poster visible to everyone. The whole point of post-comments is that you can leave your unbiased opinion, without fear of being judged or whatever. Staff can see who gives them so they can deal with whatever abusive comment they may get personally (although I think they should be anonymous to mods too but anyway).
    They really have no point as it is, and this will allow people to make quicker, more specific responses to individual people, especially in situations where their response would be considered off-topic, or not worth the effort of a VM. (some moderating would still have to happen, to make sure the comments not completely pointless/hateful/waaay off topic/etc.)
    And what? Showing them publicly? That takes the purpose away even more than making them distinctive for everyone. If whatever you want to say would be relevant/important enough and related to the topic, it should just be in a regular comment and not in a post-comment, that's not what they're for. Post-comments are comments about the post, not about the content, and on the occasion that they are, usually they aren't on-topic or qualitative enough to be even shown publicly. So that brings me to the other thing you brought up which was that, for this reason, they would have to be on-topic and not too pointless - well how is that any different from a regular comment then except for the way it's distributed? I just feel like it completely takes away the point, we might as well just not have them then.
    And I don't think they're worthy of notifications either. They're just a little extra thing and they're getting way too much attention than they should.

    I still think there should just be an option in the user CP where you can disable post-comments so that people who can't deal with opinionated ones can just turn it off.

    I feel like making them distinctive would just create unnecessary drama too. The way it is now, you can leave your opinion on someone's post - be it as negative or as positive - and the receiver would probably not care more than a few seconds (at least they shouldn't, come on) because they don't know who it's from anyway. Making the poster visible would just enable that person to backfire and it ends up doing more harm than good. And obviously it would also cause people to not want to leave a negative opinion anymore because it's not anonymous, so where's the point in that.

    Oh and really, all these people bawwing about being trolled or whatever - get over itttt it's the internet, you don't know the person and if they'd say something rude or abusive to you then they're obviously not a friend so why would you care about that.
     
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    @Yoshikkko: Agreed, but what if only we could see who posted it, but not others. Confused? Here's an example:

    User X gives a comment to User Y. User Y can see in the thread that User X gave it to him. User Z can also see that comment that User X gave to User Y, but he can't see that User X gave it to User Y.
    Um lol your analogy just made it less understandable than it was. But anyway, I don't see why other people should be able to see the post-comments you get at all. They're private and they're only for you, why should other people see them? And what point would there be to that if they can't even see the poster?? In your user CP you can see the post they were given on and imo that's fine as it is.
     
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