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RMT Version 2.0 (the last one was a crock)

BrainDamage

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    hopefully this one isnt. constructive criticism appreciated


    Weavile @Choice Band
    Jolly: 216 Spd / 252 Atk / 42 hp
    Brick Break
    Ice Shard
    Night Slash
    Pursuit

    lead, persuit for gengar/zam leads, stabbed ice shard for scarved sweepers, night slash for stab.


    Electivire @Expert Belt/life orb
    Mild: 76 Att / 252 SP.ATT / 180 SPEED
    HP Ice
    Thunderbolt
    Flamethrower
    Cross Chop

    Mock-true bolt beamer with cross chop for blissey might be tricked inito thinking him 100% special. switches in to electric attacks that were meant for starmie/skar to take advantage of motor drive


    Blissey @ leftovers (cleric, sp. wall)
    Calm: 40 HP / 252 Def / 216 Sp.Def
    seismic toss
    aromatherapy
    softboiled
    thunder wave

    with only this amount of HP, blissey still has 660 ish HP AND enough def and plenty of Special def to sponge any special sweeper and takes 3-4 focus blasts from gengar/Zam to kill her. if Zam/Gengar, I can 3HKO with seismic toss or t-wave them


    Starmie @ Leftovers
    Timid: 172 hp / 218 spd / 120 sp.atk
    Surf
    recover
    Thunderbolt
    Rapid Spin

    (no icebeam b/c I already have ice coverage) grass knot for swampy/bulky waters. rapid spinner and Ape counter


    Skarmory@Shed Shell/leftovers
    Impish: 252 HP / 64 Atk / 192 Def
    Brave Bird
    Roost
    Spikes
    whirlwind

    Absorbtion of physical attacks: if i predict close combat, i switch to starmie who will survive if its not SD'ed, special fire to blissey, t-bolt to electivire,


    Dusknoir @ Leftovers
    Careful: 252 HP / 76 Def / 180 SDef
    Will-o-Wisp
    fire punch/thunder punch/ice punch
    Shadow sneak
    Pain Split

    Spikes insurance. cant decide on which punch.

    still have an infernape weakness but starmie outspeeds it and KOs with surf.

    I've been suggested to replace skarmory with Hippowdon. I cant quite decide, so a second opinion on this would be great
     
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    BrainDamage said:
    hopefully this one isnt. constructive criticism appreciated

    Weavile @ Focus Sash
    Jolly: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 6 hp
    Brick Break
    Ice Punch
    Night Slash
    Swords Dance

    Electivire @Expert Belt/life orb
    Mild: 76 Att / 252 SP.ATT / 180 SPEED
    HP Grass
    Thunderbolt
    Flamethrower
    Cross Chop

    Use Articuno if you want anotther cleric.

    252 hp / 94 sp.def / 94 def / 64 sp.atk
    Calm

    - Heal Bell
    - Ice Beam
    - Roost
    - Toxic



    Starmie @ Leftovers - Losing health using a Rapid Spin is not cool.
    Timid: 172 hp / 216 spd / 120 sp.atk
    Surf
    Grass knot
    Thunderbolt
    Rapid Spin

    (no icebeam b/c I already have ice coverage) grass knot for swampy/bulky waters

    Skarmory@Shed Shell
    Impish: 252 HP / 64 Atk / 192 Def
    Brave Bird
    Roost
    Spikes
    Roar

    Dusknoir @ Leftovers
    Careful: 252 HP / 76 Def / 180 SDef
    Will-o-Wisp
    Shadow Punch
    Thunderpunch
    Pain Split

    still have an infernape weakness but starmie outspeeds it and KOs with surf. I'd like to replace blissey with a different cleric but dont know who...(suggestions on that please)
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    Modifications in bold. Magnezone + Weavile combo can seriously damage your team.
     
    ah. well that's probably gonna be out cause there's no way im gonna find one with the right nature, especially since i dont own the game myself. Can meganium be an effective cleric outside the uu/bl tier?
     
    Even through 99.9% of what I'm about to list suck at the job(Or suck in general), I'm going to give you a list of Heal Bell/Aromatherapy Pokemon:

    Heal Bell:
    Altaria (XD)
    Ampharos (Mareep XD)
    Articuno(XD)
    Blissey (EGG)
    Celebi (Lv.Up)
    Chimecho (Lv.Up)
    Delcatty (Skitty Lv.Up)
    Dragonite (XD)
    Granbull (EGG)
    Lapras (XD)
    Lickilicky (Lickitung Event Move)
    Mightyena (Poochyena XD)
    Miltank (Lv.Up)

    Aromatherapy:
    Blissey (EGG)
    Cherrim (EGG)
    Jumpluff (EGG)
    Meganium (Lv.Up)
    Parasect (Lv.Up)
    Roserade (Roselia Lv.Up)
    Shaymin (Lv.Up) UNAVAILABLE CURRENTY
    Vileplume (Lv.Up)
     
    I disagree with dani's suggestion of focus sash on weavile, there are so many sandstorm teams out there it's not even funny. Keep life orb
     
    Shove Recover >> grass Knot on starmie. It needs it.


    Taunt DD T-Tar kinda rips you a new one =[, a Bulky ground type or something would go along way.

    Nice Choice of Vire Btw


    Id also like HP Grass>>Hp ice on Vire, sure, you loose coverage against dragons, but you've got like Weavile. and in turn you kill swampert, whilst still keeping coverage against other bulky ground types.



    Also, try

    Weavile@Choice Band
    252 ATT / 216 SPEED / 40 HP
    Jolly Nature
    - Pursuit
    - Night Slash
    - ice Shard
    - brick break


    = win, 40 hp evs allow you to switch directly into an unboosted Azelf flamethrower ant live and it also live a Choice Specs starmies surf =). 216 speed does the same as 216, allowing you to outrun Sceptile, Duggy and Zam.

    You WILL NEED ice shard, Scarf Chomp and Dragon Dancers are asses.
     
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    couldnt choice banded brick break OKHO tyranitar? (goes to calculate)

    EDIT: yeah. Choice banded brick break from weavile WILL OHKO it
     
    BrainDamage said:
    couldnt choice banded brick break OKHO tyranitar? (goes to calculate)

    EDIT: yeah. Choice banded brick break from weavile WILL OHKO it
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    How, can Weavile come in on t-tar, youve got stone edge and Earthquake to switch into =/, therefore its not a counter.


    Bulky ground types ftw !!! <<get one !!
     
    obviously not to switch in. Weavile would have to revenge kill. I have absolutely no idea who i would replace for a ground type though, thats the problem
     
    BrainDamage said:
    obviously not to switch in. Weavile would have to revenge kill. I have absolutely no idea who i would replace for a ground type though, thats the problem
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    Hippowdon >>> Skarm ??


    Maybe, or something.
     
    but then i wont be able to make as much use of electivires motor drive. Unless i switch in Skar and whirlwind him away, then i'll know when to predict T-Tar, then switch in Weavile the same turn i predict T-Tar to switch in on, then KO it with Brick Break
     
    BrainDamage said:
    but then i wont be able to make as much use of electivires motor drive. Unless i switch in Skar and whirlwind him away, then i'll know when to predict T-Tar, then switch in Weavile the same turn i predict T-Tar to switch in on, then KO it with Brick Break
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    Starmie ?


    StarmVire or ElectiStar if you get my drift lol. You dont need Skarmory for that lol ;)
     
    but starmie is more likely to get hit by a dark/bug/ghost attack than an electric attack. being a bolt-beamer, they arent gonna send out a bolt-beamer against another bolt-beamer unless it's electivire, who, at this point is one of the only things im not sure how im gonna kill. and without skar, i dont have spikes, and therefore no true need to dusknoir other than just walling/sponging

    EDIT: also, hippowdon's sand stream will end up hurting everyone else on my team
     
    BrainDamage said:
    but starmie is more likely to get hit by a dark/bug/ghost attack than an electric attack. being a bolt-beamer, they arent gonna send out a bolt-beamer against another bolt-beamer unless it's electivire, who, at this point is one of the only things im not sure how im gonna kill. and without skar, i dont have spikes, and therefore no true need to dusknoir other than just walling/sponging

    EDIT: also, hippowdon's sand stream will end up hurting everyone else on my team
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    Thats generally what you do, send it in on something you know has t-bolt yourself and go to vire, not dark/bug/ghost lol. It could be argued that Skarmory will get hit with a Fire Move rather than a electric move, so it works both ways..


    So, Sandstream is a small price to pay for not getting raped by T-Tar. You still have stealth rock on hippow...


    or you could just use Scarf Chomp in here somewhere, thats a nice t-tar killer...
     
    Dark_Azelf said:
    Thats generally what you do, send it in on something you know has t-bolt yourself and go to vire, not dark/bug/ghost lol. It could be argued that Skarmory will get hit with a Fire Move rather than a electric move, so it works both ways..


    So, Sandstream is a small price to pay for not getting raped by T-Tar. You still have stealth rock on hippow...


    or you could just use Scarf Chomp in here somewhere, thats a nice t-tar killer...
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    As much as I love Garchomp, he wouldnt fit anywhere in my team without me taking someone out that which would then give me another weakness to something else. I dont see a huge need for a replacement since T-Tar cant do a whole lot to Skar and even with a DD, i just blow him out as long as he hasnt taunted me yet and take care of him in increments or luckily out completely with Weavile. Plus, a lot of people that that use T-Tar use him as a lead
     
    If it has Taunt, the first thing it will do is Taunt Skarmory. O.O; Unless they're a bad player.
     
    BrainDamage said:
    As much as I love Garchomp, he wouldnt fit anywhere in my team without me taking someone out that which would then give me another weakness to something else. I dont see a huge need for a replacement since T-Tar cant do a whole lot to Skar and even with a DD, i just blow him out as long as he hasnt taunted me yet and take care of him in increments or luckily out completely with Weavile. Plus, a lot of people that that use T-Tar use him as a lead
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    Yeah, CB Tar is usually a lead.

    But thing is, alot of DD t-tars pack taunt, if you send skarmory, your pretty much screwed, its going to DD, and theres not much hope after that. You can revenge kill with weavile sure, but thats going to require you sacrificing a poke each time to actually get in....


    EDIT : Steel Wing on Skarmory ftw !!! lol
     
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