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luke

luke

Master of the Elements
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    Kingler (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Hyper Cutter
    EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Crabhammer
    - Rock Slide
    - X-Scissor
    - Brick Break
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    Roserade (F) @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Natural Cure
    EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Energy Ball
    - Hidden Power [Ground]
    - Shadow Ball
    - Leaf Storm
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    Metagross @ Life Orb
    Ability: Clear Body
    EVs: 78 HP/180 Atk/252 SAtk
    Quiet nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
    - Meteor Mash
    - Shadow Ball
    - Grass Knot
    - Explosion
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    Clefable (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Magic Guard
    EVs: 252 HP/152 Def/100 SAtk/6 SDef
    Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Thunderbolt
    - Ice Beam
    - Calm Mind
    - Softboiled
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    Dusknoir (M) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP/180 Def/78 SDef
    Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Shadow Sneak
    - Fire Punch
    - Pain Split
    - Will-o-wisp
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    Zapdos @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 212 HP/46 Def/252 SDef
    Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Thunderbolt
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Roost
    - Thunder Wave
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    If you have a Zapdos, it will be good have a spinner aswell.... Gyarados will be a mess after a DD, so you could try with a Starmie or a Forretress with Gyro Ball (the fisrt works better in this case IMO)
     
    OLOL, poor Anti XP


    Blueberry said:
    Kingler (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Hyper Cutter
    EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Crabhammer
    - Rock Slide
    - X-Scissor
    - Brick Break

    Yay, i like this, ive been running SD Kingler as of late, but this works better for you as its your lead.
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    Roserade (F) @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Natural Cure
    EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Grass Knot / Sludge Bomb / Energy Ball
    - Hidden Power [Fire] / Hidden power Ground
    - Shadow Ball
    - Leaf Storm

    Consider Sludge Bomb >> Grass Knot, it helps as a good STAB neutral attack for Mence and other stuff especially on things that seem to want to come in to abuse resistances to your attacks. Ive actually been using HP Ground tbh as of late on this, Heatran seems to switch in once too often for my liking. Energy Ball is better IMO on this >> Grass Knot, if its a late game move you want Energy Ball is much more reliable and you will hit heavy stuff just as hard with specs, aswell as light stuff.
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    Metagross @ Life Orb
    Ability: Clear Body
    EVs: 78 HP/180 Atk/252 SAtk
    Quiet nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
    - Meteor Mash
    - Shadow Ball
    - Grass Knot
    - Explosion


    MixGross ftw !!!


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    Clefable (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Magic Guard
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 SDef
    Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Thunderbolt
    - Ice Beam
    - Calm Mind
    - Softboiled

    I think on Clefable, the best thing to do is take about 100 evs from defense and put them in sp.att, you can play with how much though

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    Dusknoir (M) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP/180 Def/78 SDef
    Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Shadow Sneak
    - Earthquake
    - Will-o-wisp
    - Pain Split

    Cool, but consider Fire Punch for Heracross and Breloom, SS, doesnt break its subs or particularly phaze Hera..
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    Zapdos @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 212 HP/46 Def/252 SDef
    Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Thunderbolt
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Roost
    - Thunder Wave


    Awesome legendary yellow bird is awesome.
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    [Sorry Anti for the title. I'm bored.]
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    Comments and suggestions in bold.


    I really like this. Just be careful of T-Tar, i think Kingler may be able to survive a couple of switch ins, thanks to its base 115 def, but i know for definite it wont like taking CB or DD assaults. Just something to take note of.
     
    I actually had Sludge Bomb on their originally, but just took it off for Leaf Storm. I'm iffy on it's move set still.

    Doi. Fire Punch will definitely go over Earthquake. I was having problems with Magnezone, so I threw in Earthquake over Thunderpunch. However, Fire Punch covers all of them.

    I'll try out that EV Spread on Clefable as well.

    Scarf-Kingler is awesome. :3
     
    Blueberry said:
    Kingler (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Hyper Cutter
    EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Crabhammer
    - Rock Slide
    - X-Scissor
    - Brick Break

    Looks good; lots of coverage.
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    Roserade (F) @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Natural Cure
    EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Grass Knot/Weather Ball/Energy Ball/Sludge Bomb
    - Hidden Power [Fire]/Ground
    - Shadow Ball
    - Leaf Storm

    Top choice is just...there. Weather Ball will give you a high-power equivalent of HP Rock, Fire, Water, or Ice, so it's versatile, depending on the weather, since it's rather common in OU.. Sludge Bomb, like Azelf said, is a strong STAB vs. Mence. E.Ball obviously for standard STAB when things are withered down.
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    Metagross @ Life Orb
    Ability: Clear Body
    EVs: 78 HP/180 Atk/252 SAtk
    Quiet nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
    - Meteor Mash
    - Shadow Ball
    - Grass Knot
    - Explosion

    Cool; I'm liking that Grass Knot. You can also try to fit quake in there, just in case Magnezone comes out or something.
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    Clefable (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Magic Guard
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 SDef
    Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Thunderbolt
    - Ice Beam
    - Calm Mind
    - Softboiled

    I've seen one of these in action. Immune to Toxic/Burn, residual damage, they're not easy to defeat. Good choice.
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    Dusknoir (M) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP/180 Def/78 SDef
    Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Shadow Sneak
    - Earthquake/Fire Punch
    - Will-o-wisp
    - Pain Split

    Watch out for Heracross; simply said unless you have Fire Punch.
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    Zapdos @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 212 HP/46 Def/252 SDef
    Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Thunderbolt
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Roost
    - Thunder Wave

    Stallin Zappy; Never saw one before in action. I'm guessing since it gives support, Metal Sound wasn't an option. That would help deal with bulky walls.
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    Could use some help on Clefable's EV Spread. This team was just a conglomerate of Pokemon from experimentation and it's been rather successful.

    [Sorry Anti for the title. I'm bored.]
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    Suggestions in bold. I also like how you're challenging Anti's Stall team. This vs. that would be an awesome battle log IMO.

    You can sorta use T-Tar to a slight advantage with Roserade and Weather Ball, or any weather to that matter. However, residual damage hits everything but Metagross. I'm not good at noting off instant threats (I leave that to Azelf and Anti. lol), so they'll let you know. I can say this; Beware powerful Specs users unless Zappy takes them fine.
     
    This team went 51-9 today. Now that I've tested it, I can breed it and battle with it. Any other suggestions?
     
    Blueberry said:
    Kingler (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Hyper Cutter
    EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Crabhammer
    - Rock Slide
    - X-Scissor
    - Brick Break

    I love UU so this is an auto-win :D

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    Roserade (F) @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Natural Cure
    EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Energy Ball
    - Hidden Power [Ground]
    - Shadow Ball
    - Leaf Storm

    Aragorn used one of these against me once, except he had HP [Ice] and it swept my team. Of course he had to switch out a couple of times due to the scarf, but he still killed me. So yeah, this thing rocks.

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    Metagross @ Life Orb
    Ability: Clear Body
    EVs: 78 HP/180 Atk/252 SAtk
    Quiet nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
    - Meteor Mash
    - Shadow Ball
    - Grass Knot
    - Explosion

    Magnezone. Nuff said

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    Clefable (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Magic Guard
    EVs: 252 HP/152 Def/100 SAtk/6 SDef
    Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Thunderbolt
    - Ice Beam
    - Calm Mind
    - Softboiled

    These things rock :D

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    Dusknoir (M) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP/180 Def/78 SDef
    Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Shadow Sneak
    - Fire Punch
    - Pain Split
    - Will-o-wisp

    I've never liked these things for some reason... Probably because of how good they are xD

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    Zapdos @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 212 HP/46 Def/252 SDef
    Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Thunderbolt
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Roost
    - Thunder Wave

    I actually used one of these in a battle with Loto, and it survives a Rock Slide from a (I'm Guessing) Brave Marowak with a Bone Club (or w/e it's called).

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    Comments in Bold. Good job on the team.
     
    I would put Earthquake / Hidden Power [Ground] on Metagross, but I have no idea what to replace.

    I'm also not liking the fact that Dusknoir is easily walled by Tyranitar (all I can do is burn it but with the massive amounts of Substitute-using Tyranitar, I never seem to be able to burn it.)
     
    Well, here are my suggestions:

    Earthquake >> Explosion on Metagross

    Reason: It's already got a Quiet Nature, and this is no Agiligross, so I really don't think you have the speed to pull one of these off. Of course, then again, I've seen many Lickylickys blow up in my face...

    With Dusknoir, I could only suggest getting rid of Fire Punch for Brick Break. Although it leaves you open for Heracross sweepage, it gets rid of your TTar weakness. Unless of course you plan on switching Kingler out every time you see a TTar.
     
    excuse me i think this is illega
    Clefable (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Magic Guard
    EVs: 252 HP/152 Def/100 SAtk/6 SDef
    Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Thunderbolt
    - Ice Beam
    - Calm Mind
    - Softboiled
    l i dont know if this is shoddy or not but if you do a legit it would look like this
    clefable bold@lefties
    magic guard
    evs-252 hp/ def 4 sp atk or your set will do just fine
    wish
    cosmic power
    charge beam
    ice beam

    mine has this set and im pretty sure this is legal
     
    I knew there was something I forgot to mention :P

    Actually, silver is right, Softboiled is a 3rd gen exclusive tutor move, and Magic Guard is a 4th gen exclusive ability. I don't know why Smogon even has them listed together, and I don't know if they work on shoddy or not, but they're unobtainable together by breeding.
     
    i started to try to "get" a soft boiled one but it didnt add up and wouldnt be fair so i stuck with the one i mentioned


    let me see if i can find a counter or possible pokemon you can get to help your walls or maybe something bulky that could actually use the wish support from clefable
     
    Blueberry said:
    I would put Earthquake / Hidden Power [Ground] on Metagross, but I have no idea what to replace.

    I'm also not liking the fact that Dusknoir is easily walled by Tyranitar (all I can do is burn it but with the massive amounts of Substitute-using Tyranitar, I never seem to be able to burn it.)
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    Careful T-Tar commonly packs Taunt aswell, especially on the DD set.

    silver% said:
    excuse me i think this is illega
    Clefable (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Magic Guard
    EVs: 252 HP/152 Def/100 SAtk/6 SDef
    Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Thunderbolt
    - Ice Beam
    - Calm Mind
    - Softboiled
    l i dont know if this is shoddy or not but if you do a legit it would look like this
    clefable bold@lefties
    magic guard
    evs-252 hp/ def 4 sp atk or your set will do just fine
    wish
    cosmic power
    charge beam
    ice beam

    mine has this set and im pretty sure this is legal
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    Nope, its not illegal, you have to teach the tutor move to Clefairy in third gen and pal park it over, now you have a 50-50 chance that you will get Magic Guard as the ability when it evolves. If it doesnt get Magic Guard, you have to breed all over again and repeat the process and hope you get the ability when it evolves. You cant Soft Reset for it either, so once your stuck with a crappy ability, it will always be that, no matter how many times you SR before you evolve it.


    Good luck with that Blueberry =0, id have a look on Smogon, ive seen some Clefairy there like that. I
     
    Yes, it is legal. I have one already. I still don't know what to do with Dusknoir.
     
    I say this; EQ > Explosion on Metagross. Not only does it give you ground coverage (more than Roserade's HP), it deals with Magnezone, which you have to predict right, or you're gonna lose that Meta. In that case, HP Fire is an option, and Grass Knot could be added (I think that's possible.) That'll help deal with T-Tar, although EQs from Tar don't feel nice.

    Hera is still a problem. You COULD go Psychic on Metagross, but you wouldn't be a counter, but at least coverage. I really don't see too much of an effective counter here (or even putting moves to suggest one)
     
    If I pull in Zapdos on anything but Stone Edge, it can usually handle Heracross. I really wish Metagross had six move slots. I need to pick between:

    Meteor Mash [Not Losing]
    Hidden Power [Fire]
    Earthquake
    Shadow Ball
    Grass Knot
    Explosion

    What's a girl to do?
     
    lol you pick Metal Claw, Confusion, HP Poison, and Take Down on Metagross. THAT'S THE STANDARD! ^^

    But seriously, Meteor Mash is a must. Also, Shadow Ball won't be doing too much more than the Mash, even if super effective. (160 > 150, which is small BP difference). HP Fire will deal with Forretress that would just sit here and wall you otherwise. Grass Knot obviously for bulky waters that might give you a lot of trouble. Quake is more acceptable since you'll be a lil too slow in pulling off the Explosion, plus, it gives you more coverage.
     
    You ABYAY, that's what I had back in the day. I loved it. But it's been about a month or so, so I forgot about it. I'll definitely go back to that.
     
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