Showdown!!!! GYRADOS VS STRAPTOR.

[Tapan681]

Gyrados vs Straptor.
Both can be zapped with Electricity.
Its water vs flying .

GOTTA CATCH THEM ALL!!

 

[Somewhere_]

This isn't much of a discussion... its obvious who would win.

 

[Corrin]

Yeah Staraptor has this in the bag.

 

[Wobbu]

Y'all Gyarados haters. Although I do like Staraptor more, Gyarados does have the advantage of being able to stay underwater, whereas Staraptor could dive into it but not stay under for a long time. Gyarados could pop up to the surface, blast water, then go back under.

 

[gimmepie]

Well Gyarados does have the advantage of being able to hit Staraptor with super-effective ice moves. However the minute it turns mega it's game over because Staraptor have close combat.

I don't think you can say the ability for Gyarados to dive underwater counts for much either since Staraptor can fly whilst Gyarados can't.

 

[KorpiklaaniVodka]

-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gyarados: 295-348 (89.1 - 105.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Gyarados: 339-399 (102.4 - 120.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

OML THIS GUY HITS SO HARD

Yuuuuup... Gyara is doomed. So I pick Staraptor.

 

[Brendino]

Disregarding all of the fancy game stats and strategies above, I think I would pick Gyarados in a more close to life situation. With access to moves like Thunderbolt and Ice Beam, it puts it at an advantage over Staraptor, who can't even learn any attacks to exploit Gyarados' weaknesses. And aside from the ones mentioned, Gyarados also has other long range special attacks in its arsenal, whereas Staraptor's offense is mostly physical based.

So if we're going with the games, I might lean towards Staraptor, but since we're in Pokemon General and looking at the situation as a whole, my money would be on Gyarados.

 

[Embernight]

Gyrados is a classic. I remember it being one of the fiercest Pokemon growing up. Especially in the anime. Everytime a wild one appeared, Ash and co. would be like "Ahhhh! It's a Gyrados!!!" (runs away). And Magikarp was always quite memorable being as useless as it was until it evolved. I didn't see that quite so much with Staraptor. Staraptor's great and all, and I did have one on my team back in Pearl, but to me it's just like Pigeot, Talonflame, and the like. I've never used it competitively, nor do I really plan to. It's design is just too meh to me.

 

[PageEmp]

The bird because I like him better.

 

[Somewhere_]

-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gyarados: 295-348 (89.1 - 105.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Gyarados: 339-399 (102.4 - 120.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

OML THIS GUY HITS SO HARD

Yuuuuup... Gyara is doomed. So I pick Staraptor.

Haha, finally someone did the calcs. However, if Gyarados is running a tanky set with Intimidate. In addition, the Gyarados wins if the Staraptor goes for close combat predicting the mega evolution if he doesnt mega. In addition, Staraptor has intimidate, so what are the calcs in that situation?

 

[KorpiklaaniVodka]

Haha, finally someone did the calcs. However, if Gyarados is running a tanky set with Intimidate. In addition, the Gyarados wins if the Staraptor goes for close combat predicting the mega evolution if he doesnt mega. In addition, Staraptor has intimidate, so what are the calcs in that situation?

We have these:

-1 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Crunch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Staraptor: 145-172 (46.6 - 55.3%) -- 70.3% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Gyarados: 283-334 (85.4 - 100.9%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 104 Def Gyarados: 262-309 (66.4 - 78.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Staraptor: 139-165 (44.6 - 53%) -- 25.8% chance to 2HKO

holy crap

 

[Somewhere_]

We have these:

-1 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Crunch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Staraptor: 145-172 (46.6 - 55.3%) -- 70.3% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Gyarados: 283-334 (85.4 - 100.9%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 104 Def Gyarados: 262-309 (66.4 - 78.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Staraptor: 139-165 (44.6 - 53%) -- 25.8% chance to 2HKO

holy crap

So it looks like each wins in different situations.

 

[KorpiklaaniVodka]

REVIVING THIS LOL

The only problem Staraptor may face is if the Gyarados it's facing predicts correctly and delays mega evolution while it uses Close Combat. That does sometimes happen in practice soooo... not a guaranteed victory. But still Staraptor usually kicks its ass.

 

[illumine]

People say that you can clip bird's wings with jolts of electricity. Staraptor, because it might have less trouble with that one defining trait of the flying type.

 

[PageEmp]

The bird because I like him better.

I guess I need to clarify this. I didn't care for Staraptor at first, but then I decided to use it when replaying Platinum. He was decent but after a while I stopped using it. Then I used it in my first nuzrun(Diamond) and it killed STUFF. It was probably one of my favourite teammates as a result, and I now hate the vile, beige sea serpent for taking her away from me. I used it again in my documented Plat run, and he killed EVEN more stuff and was a bro to the end, so of course I like it now.

Now I'm not saying that by this, Gyarados sucks ass, I know that they can be pretty beast sometimes. However, it is... Some alien slug with spikes? It's mega isn't any better. IT'S A FREAKING PRAWN!! I like them a lot better than I used to, but still not really my favourite.

Seeing how the latest posts talk about who will win if they fight, then I still vote for Starap. His attacks work on Gyarados' inferior defence, so unless Gyarados survives and uses ice fang, the bird will take the cake.

So I'd say Staraptor, battle wise and pref wise.

 

[2Fruit]

It all depends on the set. Gyarados has stone edge, which chips away 90% of Staraptor's health. at Adamant 252, -1, and banded, even if Staraptor has 252 health. This is a one hit KO because Staraptor will likely move first and either do Close combat, Brave bird, or Double edge, which will either knock off a third of it's HP or decrease it's defence enough for Stone edge to completely take it out. Gyarados also has Avalanche, which knocks off



On the other hand, Staraptor can take down pretty much any physical Gyarados set by abusing Feather dance. After a feather dance, then a roost, then another feather dance it will have a serious advantage and whittle down Gyarados easily. But if Staraptor is Pulling off a crazy set, so can Gyarados, with a specs thunderbolt doing 94% dammage, again often 1 hit koing the Raptor due to recoil or reduced defence.

In The end, I think normal Gyarados will win most times. But Staraptor will always be able to beat megados.

 

[KorpiklaaniVodka]

It all depends on the set. Gyarados has stone edge, which chips away 90% of Staraptor's health. at Adamant 252, -1, and banded, even if Staraptor has 252 health. This is a one hit KO because Staraptor will likely move first and either do Close combat, Brave bird, or Double edge, which will either knock off a third of it's HP or decrease it's defence enough for Stone edge to completely take it out. Gyarados also has Avalanche, which knocks off



On the other hand, Staraptor can take down pretty much any physical Gyarados set by abusing Feather dance. After a feather dance, then a roost, then another feather dance it will have a serious advantage and whittle down Gyarados easily. But if Staraptor is Pulling off a crazy set, so can Gyarados, with a specs thunderbolt doing 94% dammage, again often 1 hit koing the Raptor due to recoil or reduced defence.

In The end, I think normal Gyarados will win most times. But Staraptor will always be able to beat megados.

We're usually assuming standard sets, and Gyarados doesn't use Stone Edge or Avalanche, Staraptor can't run FeatherDance + Roost.

Gyarados runs Dragon Dance, Waterfall, Earthquake, and either Crunch or Substitute.
Staraptor runs Brave Bird, Close Combat, Double-Edge and U-turn or Final Gambit.

Also Staraptor usually goes for Reckless which is far superior to Intimidate since it needs all the power it can get. Gyarados can use either Intimidate or Moxie, depending on the set.