So let's say

[John Denver]

Didn't Steve approve of this thread? Why did Arcanine get the last big flamey say in the thread then lock so no one had the opportunity to rebute him? Why are Kylie and David praetors but Jorge isn't?? Why is PC like this??? What happened?!?!?!?

This thread will be locked...you guys know how I know? Because I know the staff...I know how they work, I know every dang friggin one of them. You guys are wound up so tight about to snap at any second that you'll just destroy any NOTION of members disagreeing with you. You guys keep proving my point!! Everytime...all the time, never fails...if people talk non-positively about the staff in any way shape or form, it's deleted, locked, warned, banned...whatever, it's just taken out. Why is this? What makes you guys so paranoid?? I used to be just like you all, thinking if a member disagreed with us, it's obviously because he doesn't know how hard we work and how strenuous everything is and how much crap we have to go through with members and all the reports and locking and moving threads all the time...it's so hard to be a staffer, and none of the members know it...you guys know what?

That's a lame excuse

Yeah, your job's hard...sure, I know it is. But I can't count how many forums I've been on where the forum is so perfectly happy...you know why? Cause the mods stay out of it as much as they can. Yeah, they locked what NEEDS to be locked and move what needs to be moved...But you can't take that out on us. PC is so "staff-centered" right now on everything. The 25 char limit, locking threads that even hint at the notion of tension, getting rid of the t-dome, rep...everything...It's built to make the staffs lives better with the "who cares they're just members" mentality.

Before you think about locking this cause it's obviously "anti-PC" and I'm "flaming" you guys so horribly, please just check yourself. Imagine you were a member looking at the big bad staff...never letting you voice your opinion on anything unless it agrees with what the staff said first. You guys may say you let us voice what we wanna say as long as it's docile and tensionless...but it's simply ---not----true---...You count every non-pro-staff thing we say as anti-staff, and you end us right there.

Just think about it really...If you lock this thread because it'll cause a flame war and no ones mature about it and blah blah blah, you're proving my point -_-. I'd love for you all to prove me wrong now (ok that sounded really sarcastic, but what I meant was I'd like to be proven wrong which means that you guys really want change and stuff so you won't have to be so tightly strung)

 

[John Denver]

You really shouldn't rush time, Dakota.

...?

I don't really get what you're trying to say..o_O?

 

[Freenaturearts]

o_O Rush time ... nyah... And you guys erm, ^^? I dont mind anything that is going on, but look at it this way, you demoted Dakota and all of a sudden without the agreeable right of the people you banned him and bring in a new lead of preators? I starting to think it would be nice to be told when people become head of staff, i'm just glad that people that where moded in the site areas I go to actualy are my friends. If they wernt most possibly I would be banned by now for making so many darn Request threads in the Art forum though the rules litteraly tell me it's not alowed o_o I just learned that awhile back, but still. We would like warning ^^; it's only right.

However thankfuly it's another batch of people I dont mind taking over the job, Responsible, loyal and original. congrats to bobby and crew for the promotions, I know you'll do great.

I feel you some what are ostridizing Dakota here, and that alone is againced any humain law, so no matter what though you may not be breaking the law for the forum. You defenetly downgraded the forum on any ranking sites ^^; not you Tetsuya-san , or anyone who's spoken here. But some of you really have guts to banned and demote someone I care dearly for =/

 

[John Denver]

I try not to single em out...cause individually they're fine sometimes...just the decisions they make, I don't see how they can think it...

 

[Freenaturearts]

I asked in the past and I got no answer...Agin I'm not flaming, that sounded anger orientaded. But I'm just saying, I asked that once and it wasint answered, and the only one that answered it was over pm and was a friend of mine saying to stand up o_o hense why I am so after keeping things peacful, and thuse ending this Ranking" in the mods that make somepeope think they can choose over anothers fait befor giving them a chance to explan. poor Dakota doesint even know what the heck he did o_O..

 

[John Denver]

Do you honestly think we ask the members about who we demote? The members of the AD discuss the demotions, and carry it through. And I do suggest that you ask before you assume anything to do with the staff.

I kinda agree here...it's not the member's decision who's modded or not. But input is never harmful...

And I want all members to know this. Me being demoted? Sure...I believe may have deserved some of it because I was acting flakey lately...

But banning me? No...I didn't deserve that. I know the rules just as good, if not better than half the staff. I know what I did and what I didn't do. Banning me was a decision they made based off personal disliking, not from PC rule breaks. You guys were all acting like old Steve when you did that. If it was anyone other than ME making those posts...they woulda never even been considered for a banning.

And that'll be my "back-from-two-weeks-of-being-banned" rant that you've all been waiting for...woo

 

[Freenaturearts]

I do agree, but we should at least be more informed. ^^; Like why you where banned for instance, they didint even tell you o_O. And I thougth a rule of the past was to NEVER take personal matters with the person into acount due to true reliability and response? All in all o_o that meens banning him just broke one of your own rules PC staff. (When I say PC staff I dont meen all of you ^^ I'm just saying to to those who voted to banned hi just cause they hated him)
He has no reason why you should hate him as he was. I even know he's a great guy O_O and I'm the one person who stood up to him three days after I joined! ^^;

 

[John Denver]

Didn't Steve approve of this thread? Why did Arcanine get the last big flamey say in the thread then lock so no one had the opportunity to rebute him? Why are Kylie and David praetors but Jorge isn't?? Why is PC like this??? What happened?!?!?!?

This thread will be locked...you guys know how I know? Because I know the staff...I know how they work, I know every dang friggin one of them. You guys are wound up so tight about to snap at any second that you'll just destroy any NOTION of members disagreeing with you. You guys keep proving my point!! Everytime...all the time, never fails...if people talk non-positively about the staff in any way shape or form, it's deleted, locked, warned, banned...whatever, it's just taken out. Why is this? What makes you guys so paranoid?? I used to be just like you all, thinking if a member disagreed with us, it's obviously because he doesn't know how hard we work and how strenuous everything is and how much crap we have to go through with members and all the reports and locking and moving threads all the time...it's so hard to be a staffer, and none of the members know it...you guys know what?

That's a lame excuse

Yeah, your job's hard...sure, I know it is. But I can't count how many forums I've been on where the forum is so perfectly happy...you know why? Cause the mods stay out of it as much as they can. Yeah, they locked what NEEDS to be locked and move what needs to be moved...But you can't take that out on us. PC is so "staff-centered" right now on everything. The 25 char limit, locking threads that even hint at the notion of tension, getting rid of the t-dome, rep...everything...It's built to make the staffs lives better with the "who cares they're just members" mentality.

Before you think about locking this cause it's obviously "anti-PC" and I'm "flaming" you guys so horribly, please just check yourself. Imagine you were a member looking at the big bad staff...never letting you voice your opinion on anything unless it agrees with what the staff said first. You guys may say you let us voice what we wanna say as long as it's docile and tensionless...but it's simply ---not----true---...You count every non-pro-staff thing we say as anti-staff, and you end us right there.

Just think about it really...If you lock this thread because it'll cause a flame war and no ones mature about it and blah blah blah, you're proving my point -_-. I'd love for you all to prove me wrong now (ok that sounded really sarcastic, but what I meant was I'd like to be proven wrong which means that you guys really want change and stuff so you won't have to be so tightly strung)

I really care more about making sure the staff sees THIS ^ post...

 

[Kurosaki]

I really care more about making sure the staff sees THIS ^ post...

I'm one of the ones who could care less what the heck you think, D. It's just at the point where I've begun to ignore these immature rants about 'how the staff are bad' yadda yadda.

 

[Ryoutarou]

Didn't Steve approve of this thread? Why did Arcanine get the last big flamey say in the thread then lock so no one had the opportunity to rebute him? Why are Kylie and David praetors but Jorge isn't?? Why is PC like this??? What happened?!?!?!?

I'm not saying what Andy did was right, but I'm not saying it was wrong either. And sure, Steve may have said yes to it, but a while ago all the staff members voted on it and voted against feedback threads. If Steve wants to say otherwise about it, I'll bring it up in HQ because it was voted on and that's how it's going to stay for now.

This thread will be locked...you guys know how I know? Because I know the staff...I know how they work, I know every dang friggin one of them. You guys are wound up so tight about to snap at any second that you'll just destroy any NOTION of members disagreeing with you. You guys keep proving my point!! Everytime...all the time, never fails...if people talk non-positively about the staff in any way shape or form, it's deleted, locked, warned, banned...whatever, it's just taken out. Why is this? What makes you guys so paranoid??

You have no idea how we work, that could be why you aren't a staff member anymore. And no, whenever anyone flames us, whenever anyone uses 'feedback' as a means to bash the staff for not getting what they want, then we step in. We do take criticism well enough, but there's a line when it just crosses over into pointless bashing.

I used to be just like you all, thinking if a member disagreed with us, it's obviously because he doesn't know how hard we work and how strenuous everything is and how much crap we have to go through with members and all the reports and locking and moving threads all the time...it's so hard to be a staffer, and none of the members know it...you guys know what?

That's a lame excuse

Yeah, your job's hard...sure, I know it is. But I can't count how many forums I've been on where the forum is so perfectly happy...you know why? Cause the mods stay out of it as much as they can. Yeah, they locked what NEEDS to be locked and move what needs to be moved...But you can't take that out on us. PC is so "staff-centered" right now on everything. The 25 char limit, locking threads that even hint at the notion of tension, getting rid of the t-dome, rep...everything...It's built to make the staffs lives better with the "who cares they're just members" mentality.

We don't take anything out on members, stop making blind accusations. If we did that, trust me, you'd know that we were taking something out on you guys. May I remind you that you were the first one to bring up getting rid of the rep. You were the one that set up that vote, we would probably still have rep if not for that vote. No one has that mentallity, I'm just going to be blunt, you made it up.

Before you think about locking this cause it's obviously "anti-PC" and I'm "flaming" you guys so horribly, please just check yourself. Imagine you were a member looking at the big bad staff...never letting you voice your opinion on anything unless it agrees with what the staff said first. You guys may say you let us voice what we wanna say as long as it's docile and tensionless...but it's simply ---not----true---...You count every non-pro-staff thing we say as anti-staff, and you end us right there.

When I was a normal member I actually respected you and thought you were a pretty cool guy. I never saw any of you as the 'big bad staff members'. Again I'll say it, we never counted negative comments against us as flaming. We can take criticism, some people just don't know the difference between actually bringing up good points and calling us 'bias', 'immature' or whatever else they think is wrong with us. I frankly have no problem with someone calling us bias, if they can back it up. Does anyone ever do it? No.

Just think about it really...If you lock this thread because it'll cause a flame war and no ones mature about it and blah blah blah, you're proving my point -_-. I'd love for you all to prove me wrong now (ok that sounded really sarcastic, but what I meant was I'd like to be proven wrong which means that you guys really want change and stuff so you won't have to be so tightly strung)

I'm not going to close this just because it hasn't caused a flame war. If it happens, sure then I'll lock it. But at the moment, there isn't anything wrong with this thread really.

 

[John Denver]

Dakota, you need to be aware that as a praetor, your warnings from then will carry over from that onto member status. So, you were flaming the staff or making bad comments about them, getting you banned for two weeks.

Any talkings about by banning I'd rather take over msn or aim or something...that would involve all you guys unblocking me *cough*

You have no idea how we work even though I was a staff longer than you were a member?, that could be why you aren't a staff member anymore. And no, whenever anyone flames us, whenever anyone uses 'feedback' as a means to bash the staff for not getting what they want, then we step in. We do take criticism well enough, but there's a line when it just crosses over into pointless bashing.

You're simply denying what I said...o_o This is just gonna turn into one of those "Yes you are-No I'm not" arguements...dang

We don't take anything out on members, stop making blind accusations. If we did that, trust me, you'd know that we were taking something out on you guys. May I remind you that you were the first one to bring up getting rid of the rep. You were the one that set up that vote, we would probably still have rep if not for that vote. No one has that mentallity, I'm just going to be blunt, you made it up.

I uh...DO know it...where was I the last 2 weeks

I also said I used to be just like you guys...and why are you focusing on that one example and not tackling what I actually said. There have been so many of these good staff bad staff debates on PC...tons of em...and they're always the same. Someone does big post...someone answers post piece by piece...response...locked...same old same old

When I was a normal member I actually respected you and thought you were a pretty cool guy. I never saw any of you as the 'big bad staff members'. Again I'll say it, we never counted negative comments against us as flaming. We can take criticism, some people just don't know the difference between actually bringing up good points and calling us 'bias', 'immature' or whatever else they think is wrong with us. I frankly have no problem with someone calling us bias, if they can back it up. Does anyone ever do it? No.

That's cause when you were a member, the staff WAS cool. ;)

And again this is another "Yes you are-no I'm not" response. I made good points...I said that you guys, quite literally, don't allow us to really talk about you guys on PC. Andy locked the feedback thread, why? You locked the DCC after I was demodded, why? Kylie locked my fan club fan after I was banned, why? Katsuro made a thread asking why I was banned. I know that it says in the rules that we can't talk about banned members, even if it's an honest sincere question, why?

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OMFG I hate online debating with a passion, cause nothing gets done. But eh...I really, really (emphasis) really don't want to -fight- with you guys. I just want...eh

old pc

 

[Kylie-chan]

No offence, FNA, but we have the rule on not informing members of the reason a person was banned to protect their privacy.

 

[Freenaturearts]

:nods: I respect that ^^ And thank you for reastablishing that, but I feel bad for them and feel there must be a way to reason with you.

 

[Supreme Edgeboy Max]

Hmph.. Andy said only former-staff had the right to critisize the staff, and I expected something better to go through in that situation.

Well, its almost the same with him talking than me ain't it?

Now see everyone, I've been here at PC for a REALLY long time. If you stare at my Join Date for hours you'll see it says Oct 05, but I've been here longer. I KNOW what old PC was like, and I agree with Dakota that right now, everything in PC is like for the staff's benefits.

 

[Freenaturearts]

In some ways I agree, but it is in ares too in many areas and how we are treated. Though I have even my ishues with you all there are times when I know the site is just fine, this is just deeper. And as for the age you've been here, can you say anything about your last sn? I've been haunting this place sine Pichuman told me it over a year and 5 months ago. 4 months before I joined.

And in what was said above while I was typing, the old Pc was in the day of Dakota, andy and crew, inless you are of their timeline and my boyfriend Tony's. You whernt of the old Pc... I'm not fighting yet again to remind people I amd for everyone and I am of this moment againced NO BODY who wont hurt me o_o But I will defend the staff from resent staff members like dakota, Claire*.ect.

 

[Ryoutarou]

Dakota, Jake, and Claire were all part of old PC. Hell, technically I was even though I was at it for a max of a week probably. Being here for a certain amount of time doesn't mean anything aside from...you've been here for a certain amount of time. The whole 'old PC' 'new PC' thing is just dumb, people almost always use it as a scapegoat for times changing and them not being able to move along with it.

 

[Supreme Edgeboy Max]

Heh, we've moved around a lot, and us talking about oldPC newPC is us expressing our dissatisfaction with the current conditions.

Offtopic: Woo! Nice Zero theme Mihara.

 

[Supreme Edgeboy Max]

I was under jeopardy as a member myself, and I could've been banned... permanently.

Guess what, so am I. Moderators feel that talking back at them is "disrespecting members" too. Heh..

 

[Ryoutarou]

Guess what, so am I. Moderators feel that talking back at them is "disrespecting members" too. Heh..

How many times do I have to say it? There's nothing wrong with talking back if you show a good argument and valid reasons for having a problem with a staff member. Don't confuse opinions and criticism with bashing and flaming.

Like this thread...am I a bit mad? Yes. Am I going to close this thread? No, there haven't been any rules broken and no one's done anything to merit any warnings or anything.

 

[Kylie-chan]

Only difference between Old PC and New PC is that the "new" version was simply restarted. Still the same forums. <_<