So let's say

[Mario The World Champion]

I have read a portion of the posts in here and I can only say this.

It seems like bashing the mods and giving them a hard time is pretty much the norm these days. And every time a mod does something that will benefit the site, people think of it as them being dicators and trying to tell them what to do. That's why attacks on mods has been high around here.

I know that somebody in here might have said this before I did, but I'm at least one of the people here that show respect to the mods, even though a lot of them are old enough to be my younger siblings.

That's my two cents.

 

[Kylie-chan]

And by the way, Dakota, you wouldn't even had a problem with us if you hadn't been fired... and you admitted you deserved it. Then we banned you because of the way you dealt with being fired... but you refuse to accept that you deserved it. How big were those happy forums? Two members? Fifty? A hundred? PC has over 10,000 members. And how many n00bs were in those forums? One? <_< You can't compare PC to other forums and expect us to be exactly like them. I'd like to see what would happen to PC if it wasn't for the staff. The members are just as important but PC'd be chaotic if it wasn't for us having control.

You people who hate us would like to use the phrase constructive criticism and the word opinion to mask your unadulterated hatred... no one's denying you having an opinion. Like I said on MSN, it's the way you tell us how you feel. You can hate us all you like. Doesn't mean you can inundate us with useless criticism all of the time. Constructive criticism means to point out flaws and give ways to improve.. all you've been doing is comparing PC to other forums and dissing the mods without any valid reasons. Like Jorge said, you, Dakota, were the one who suggested getting rid of rep. It's staggering how a person could suggest getting rid of something then blame us for it. T-Dome? If people were mature enough to conduct proper debates instead of flaming each other, we could have kept the T-Dome open. We can't win. If we do something, we get criticised for it. If we don't, we're slack and we don't do our jobs.

You know, it's like about 20% of you take us for granted. I'd like to see that 20% in control of PC. There's no way that 20% would be mature enough to handle a forum like PC. PC would die painfully. These 20% like to flame the hell out of us then blame us for everything. I don't call that maturity. And yet you call the staff immature! That's just sad... really, really sad.

Certain people just throw harsh words at us without having any justification or meaning behind them. That's not helpful at all. If you can't adjust to the need for change, if you're that rigid, then you don't belong on the Internet. All through your life you will need to adjust to change... reminisce all you like, but it won't disguise the fact that your behaviour, which may have once been considered acceptable, is now intolerant. The past is the past. We change because there's a necessity to change... because there has been change. Don't bring up the past and throw it in our face, saying that we should go back to it. The past is gone. This is the present. You need to get used to that. Just because you were a staff member once, just because you joined PC early... it doesn't mean you're special, or that you know everything and can tell other people what to do. Congratulations on being part of the PC before it was restarted due to server issues? @_@

And lastly... Dakota, you say because I'm eleven that I have a lot to learn and aren't ready to be a staff member... I have a lot to learn, but so do you. And that's just pathetic that you would judge me because I'm younger than the other staff members. You were Praetor once; I'm Praetor now. You could say that means we've demonstrated equal maturity at some stage, then, couldn't you? Or you could just say that I got to be a staff member through bias, which you couldn't justify. And if you can't respect me, then don't talk to me. If you can't be civil when providing us with "feedback", don't give it. It's only making you look immature. My age doesn't necessarily mean I'm a little baby who can't do her job, just like your join date doesn't necessarily mean you know what's best for PC.

 

[John Denver]

I'm not gonna argue with an 11 year old.And Like I said before, I'd like talking about me being banned to be done over MSN or AIM. Pay attention Kylie.

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Um wow, to the guys that said Old PC is the same as the one we're in now. Jorge, you were never at Old PC (for real) so you can't comment, and Jake was a member for nearly all of it. How can you guys say that Old PC and this one are the same? They're nothing alike! I don't think the staff EVER got into fights on old PC, and I think we barely EVER had to deal with members constantly bickering about us...

When are andy or erica gonna see this...Aside from me, they're the only ones that really staffed old PC.

 

[Kurosaki]

Okay, I'm fed up with both sides now. These arguments always get us nowhere, and this is taking us down the same path. Can we possibly have a peaceful, no bashing/flaming discussion and work things out? I'm friggin tired of these arguments popping up, and I'm sure most of the other members are too.

To D's side: I understand you guys have your opinions, and I respect that. However, you shouldn't be taking it to the height where you're taing shots at staff during any chance possible. All it does is make them mad at you, and unwiling to work something out with you, since it does kinda rub off as immature.

To the side of the staff: What good is coming of arguing with them over and over again? They ARE titled to their own opinions, though they do sometimes take it a bit too far. We need to work with them to find a solution, thats what were hear for. We aren't here to work FOR the members, we're here to work WITH them.

Honestly, everytime an argument like this pops up it becomes an immature bash/flame fest from both sides, and even still no solution comes from it. Work together, people, not against each other.

Choose to ignore me if you want to, it's just my opinion after all.

 

[Chibi-chan]

......Dakota, what you said about Kylie was totally naive....it's just plain cold....>:

I hope you all don't think that D's side doesn't represent all of the members of PC. Though I think the staff can be facist, I'm sure they work hard for PC...if the didn't why the hell would they be here? I respect that. Seeing they have to deal with a whole lotta BS. People only flame because they think it will effect something. People don't compliment because they don't think it will change a thing, seeing how they like things the way they are. Get where I'm coming from? As a result, you only see the flames toward the staff. Actually, I'm sure people don't want to compliment because that would be considered being an asskisser. You know it.

Dakota: I said this before...would you really have cared about the members if you hadn't been demodded? I'm sure you'd still be posting fun posts...I've really yet to see you post something fun and random since you got de-modded...now it's all how staff isn't doing things right. How come you think about this now? Why didn't you think about this before and act on it then?

Supreme Edgeboy Max: I'm sure if you were a mod, you wouldn't be posting all of this against the staff -.-; I really do think that you just want to be noticed and become a mod so you can look like you have athority. IMO, of course...

This forum is supposed to be fun, right? Now it's turned into something different for those who care about it. The objective isn't to catch someone doing something wrong or point oout all of the n00bs. That just takes away from a forum....and dear God! This forum isn't fully for +13!! (or those who can understand) I'm sure some don't even understand what's going on...but they stay because they like PC. That's why we have so many active members. Some don't know what's going on because all they really care about is the Pokemon aspect and manga or roleplays or the emulation...and as long as they have that, they don't really care what else is going on...some people are like that. Nothing you can do about that. That's why you only really see flames.

Btw, isn't the greatest 'feedback' when members join, people actually post, and a forum is active? That's what most forums would be content with as feedback...

I hope you understand my perspective...if you bothered to read this

 

[Supreme Edgeboy Max]

Supreme Edgeboy Max: I'm sure if you were a mod, you wouldn't be posting all of this against the staff -.-; I really do think that you just want to be noticed and become a mod so you can look like you have athority. IMO, of course...

No way. Besides, I've probably lost any chance of being moderator with opposing them right now.
And you know, I believe I'll be more ~sensible~ and notice the things that ~we~ do if I'd be a moderator, and be on THIS side anyway.

Btw, isn't the greatest 'feedback' when members join, people actually post, and a forum is active? That's what most forums would be content with as feedback...

I agree with you there though, whatever we are telling the moderators is NOT feedback, and I know that.

 

[oni flygon]

No way. Besides, I've probably lost any chance of being moderator with opposing them right now.
And you know, I believe I'll be more ~sensible~ and notice the things that ~we~ do if I'd be a moderator, and be on THIS side anyway.

Yeah sure...
Like absolute power never corrupts anyone.


But yeah. I was from the old PC and I must say that this PC and the one before it are not quite the same. Sure I wasn't at the staff... but I did notice a lot of staff arguments that erupt out of nowhere... *coughCascough* *coughAlakazamcough*

And stuff changes, you know.

And Dakota, if you just dislike PC that much, just go away. What sense does it make if you're wasting an hour or so posting and arguing and when you know nothing of this would happen. If you're trying to get some Greg-Syndrome going, I don't think it's likely to happen.

 

[Arcanine]

When are andy or erica gonna see this...Aside from me, they're the only ones that really staffed old PC.

I don't speak for Erica. But the reason why I haven't replied till now is because us three of us had this special thing. I mean all three of us were S-Modded the same time, all three of us lasted loger then anyone else (as Staff) on PC, all three of us were good friends. Fighting with you over the Staff isn't something I want, we're not going to get anywhere.

I told Jorge last night I wouldn't reply to this, so much for that. I'm not going to reply to anyone's post (not counting D's up there). But I am going to say a few things.

The old PC was different the new PC, I should know, I joined there (only 4 months after it was started too), I was Modded and then S-Modded there. On the old PC the members were closer to one another, it was mainly because it was a lot smaller. I do miss the old PC some times. But what's past is the past, we can't go back to that time no matter what. The past is for memories, not to dwell in.

I can see how you members might not get filled in on stuff or in the dark on things. Or think we've taken too much of your freedom way. It's not true, 95% of the things we (the Staff) do on PC is for the members. When we make new forums it's for the members. When we added the left postbit it was for the members. When we do Mod stuff it's for the members. When we help someone with a question it's for the members. We don't hate you guys, or we're not some bad guys/girls out to get you or make you look bad (unless you're a n00b and won't do any better). We just don't like it when you guys go around putting down the Staff for no reason. We don't mind opinions or suggestion on stuff to do with PC. It's just when it comes to "My way or the highway" or when someone is putting down Staff for no reason, that's what we don't like.

I'm not going to sit here typing up some super long reply to the replies to my post (everything I have to say in the matter is in this post and the one in thte feedback thread). Because I agree with David 100%, where is this getting us? Nowhere, just a bunch of people fighting over something that isn't going to change.

But I have one little thing to add. D, you shouldn't judge Kylie and look down on her because of her age. So what if she hasn't been here or been Staff as long as us? So what if she's younger then us? People shouldn't be judged by their age, you could have a 21 year old and that person could be a n00b where you have a 10 year old and one of the best members on PC. Age isn't a factor, what should be is how the member is (as in posts/Modding etc).

 

[Kylie-chan]

Dakota, the only reason you're not arguing with me is because you have nothing to fight back with. So what if I'm 11? Age doesn't count right now. And by bringing it down to the elementary basis of I'm-older-than-you-so-I-am-better-than-you you're just proving how immature you really are. If you had a speck of maturity right now you'd at least treat what I say fairly and equally to the others'. Andy's right. You have no right to judge me because I'm younger. Everyone else has the maturity [except for one other person who has nothing to do with this] to see past my age.

Guess what? My age is a lame way of disguising that you have nothing to say because you're wrong.

Dakota, you're just an elitist. "Oh, none of you were here before we restarted, therefore you're not worth my time." So what? Your point? That's right. You have none.

If you want old PC, go to the reference library. <_<

I agree with the whole of Andy's post.

And now, Dakota, if you're going to be so immature as to overlook me because I'm eleven [by the way, I'll be twelve in five days, and we've had twelve-year-old mods <_< Is that old enough for you?], then I have nothing to say to you, either. This IS just pointless. I have no further desire to partake in such useless crap. I'm off. D:

 

[Cherrim]

I'm not gonna argue with an 11 year old.And Like I said before, I'd like talking about me being banned to be done over MSN or AIM. Pay attention Kylie.

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Um wow, to the guys that said Old PC is the same as the one we're in now. Jorge, you were never at Old PC (for real) so you can't comment, and Jake was a member for nearly all of it. How can you guys say that Old PC and this one are the same? They're nothing alike! I don't think the staff EVER got into fights on old PC, and I think we barely EVER had to deal with members constantly bickering about us...

When are andy or erica gonna see this...Aside from me, they're the only ones that really staffed old PC.

Firstly, that age remark is uncalled for. You know just as well as I do that age doesn't always have an effect on maturity. That's all I'll say on that matter since I'm sure others will counter it as well.

The old PC = the new PC. I don't care what you say; it's true. The "old PC" was still titled "The Pok?mon Community," just as the new one is now. It still had the same general set-up of forums. The same URL. Therefore, by default, they're the same thing. That's if you want to get technical, which I know you don't. But even so, the old PC is simply a precursor to the new one; it simply grew into what you see today. And you can either be proud of that, or disgusted by it. I for one am proud of what it's become. Sure, there are some discrepancies and I don't always enjoy my job here, or even enjoy coming here all the time for that matter, but all and all, I love this place. I always have. You can't just dwell on the past of this forum, if you do, like with anything in life, you'll only get depressed or angered by what it is now. It will never be the same simply because everything changes. Just accept that, move on, and stop bringing up the old PC as some sort of a justification.

That said, I'll still address your point. The old PC had its own share of problems. Sure, they definitely weren't the same as we face today. But keep in mind, there were far less members and staff back then as compared to what we have now. The difference there is huge. Like Andy said, everyone back then basically knew everyone else. There weren't a lot of members, so the active ones were very tightly knit. You may not know everyone per se, but chances are you probably know of them. That was the general idea back then. With the smaller member base, obviously, comes a smaller staff base. If I remember correctly, for a very long time after I joined there were only about 13 Moderators, 3 Super Moderators, and 4 or 5 Administrators. The staff list just didn't change, save for maybe one modding every few months, if that. As one of the member level, I don't know about you, but I definitely remember a general feeling of suppression all around. As a member, you simply did not talk back to the staff or criticise them in any way. To be honest, I don't remember any cases of people doing so. Perhaps I didn't open my eyes as much as I should have back then, perhaps I wasn't as well informed, but I do remember being simply paranoid of saying anything bad about the staff. Then again, maybe that was just me. Anyway, I also remember that when a staff member said something, it was as good as setting it in stone. If an S-Mod banned someone, it was permanent and they were gone for good. If an Admin didn't like something, that was the end of the line. There was definitely a distinct line between the staff members and the members that, no matter what you want to say, isn?t there today. Not to that extreme a level.

Now, compare that to "this" PC. First of all, we have far more members. Since I really can't say very much about PC from a member level anymore (almost regrettably, it's been...ages since I was at that rank, and when I was, it was only for a brief time before I took back my position), I can speak only as a staff member. As staff, we have a lot more people now than we ever did before, to ensure are getting the most out of their stay here. Instead of catering to a few hundred, we have several thousand, at the very least, to keep in mind whilst making decisions and going about our jobs. Also, in positive correlation to the member base, we have the rising number of staff needed to handle all the forum work, etc. What's the actual number now, forty-one altogether? I'm not saying the staff never fought on the old PC, but that was when there were only about 20 staff members. Now that number has roughly doubled. Needless to say, there will be some personalities that simply clash and no good comes of that. Sadly, as a Pok?mon forum and not a huge corporation like so many make us out to be, there's not much we can do about that except try to resolve it on a personal level and go on our way. I take this moment to simply remind everyone that we're people too, just like everyone else, and we're definitely not professionals at what we do. Continuing on, if you take a look at PC, the fact that we have allowed Staff Feedback threads is a major improvement, even if the first one was only created in jest before "catching on" so to speak. I'll speak to these in more detail later, however. The staff--and I think this is probably a universal thing as far as forums go--always have to deal with people who dislike or even hate them. That was there, though far more subtly, on the old PC and it?s still here now. The only difference? We don?t silence or completely try to stop anyone from saying they dislike the work we do. We?re far more open now as a community than before. That can be taken as a good thing or a bad thing; it depends on how people use (or misuse) that freedom.

I?ve been watching this thread for a while, so it?s not that I haven?t seen it. I don?t even know what to say, really. I?ve been completely out of sorts for several days now?overstressed, etc. so I just didn?t feel up to replying to something like this because I was sure I would let myself get dragged into it. Since you addressed me specifically, I saw no reason not to reply though.

Now, earlier on you quoted yourself, wanting to be sure the staff saw it. I?ll address that too, and then I?ll make a final statement and be off, because I?m starting to get dizzy from my pills. ><;

Didn't Steve approve of this thread? Why did Arcanine get the last big flamey say in the thread then lock so no one had the opportunity to rebute him? Why are Kylie and David praetors but Jorge isn't?? Why is PC like this??? What happened?!?!?!?

Steve approved maybe not the actual Staff Feedback Thread itself, but he, along with the rest of the staff, is fully open to proper criticism of the staff. However, you yourself also know that thread has had problems in the past. Though I personally only remember it ending up with people saying ?____ is inactive so demod them and _____ forum needs mods? which not only were we already dealing with, but that?s not even feedback. Now, I don?t agree with Andy getting that last say in the thread after locking it. We do have a policy about that and it shouldn?t have happened because, simply put, it?s not fair. Kyle and David were made Praetors last night whereas Jorge wasn?t at first because he was the one who requested a demotion from that position in the first place and we were simply unsure if he wanted the spot back yet. That?s not even your business anymore, and it doesn?t matter now because it?s been ?fixed,? I suppose one could say. As for your final two questions?well, I?ve no idea.

This thread will be locked...you guys know how I know? Because I know the staff...I know how they work, I know every dang friggin one of them. You guys are wound up so tight about to snap at any second that you'll just destroy any NOTION of members disagreeing with you. You guys keep proving my point!! Everytime...all the time, never fails...if people talk non-positively about the staff in any way shape or form, it's deleted, locked, warned, banned...whatever, it's just taken out. Why is this? What makes you guys so paranoid?? I used to be just like you all, thinking if a member disagreed with us, it's obviously because he doesn't know how hard we work and how strenuous everything is and how much crap we have to go through with members and all the reports and locking and moving threads all the time...it's so hard to be a staffer, and none of the members know it...you guys know what?

That's a lame excuse

I too predict this thread will be locked eventually. First of all, it probably shouldn?t even be here now. Not because of the ?staff bashing? as people like to put it (of which, upon skimming, I really don?t see much of), but simply because this kind of thing is NOT what I come to PC for. This isn?t fun, this isn?t enjoyable, and eventually it will get out of hand as all things of this nature do. Note how it?s stayed open this long, though. I was actually surprised to see it get off the first page. Anyway, it?s fine to ?diss? the staff as long as you have something to back it up, but as of recent there have been more and more people just saying we?re biased or useless or little to no reason at all. I mean, it?s fine if one can give specific examples, but just classifying the entire staff as one entity with one explicit trait?that doesn?t make sense. Anyway, I think we do use that excuse?quite a lot, but for me, personally? I don?t necessarily like to get on and hear someone say that all of us, myself included in that, obviously, are biased or corrupt. Sure, the occasional offence is practically a given, but to say that we?re all always like that? That?s not fair. And?I know you know what I?m talking about when I say the higher staff especially has had to put up with a lot in the past and to be honest, it?s starting to wear on most of us. Hell, that might even be one of the reasons I?ve been so stressed out lately which has led to many other not-so-great things on a personal level for me. I think the next thing I?m going to say is more in relation to your next paragraph, so I?m skipping to that.

Yeah, your job's hard...sure, I know it is. But I can't count how many forums I've been on where the forum is so perfectly happy...you know why? Cause the mods stay out of it as much as they can. Yeah, they locked what NEEDS to be locked and move what needs to be moved...But you can't take that out on us. PC is so "staff-centered" right now on everything. The 25 char limit, locking threads that even hint at the notion of tension, getting rid of the t-dome, rep...everything...It's built to make the staffs lives better with the "who cares they're just members" mentality.

?I don?t have to explain all of these to you, do I? The 25 character limit is there for the people who don?t put any content in their posts. They?re the one?s that try to reply to a poll with a simple ?yes? answer. While sometimes that will suffice, most of the time it doesn?t! 25 characters isn?t a lot at all. We haven?t had complaints about that in ages. Recently, we haven?t locked many threads at ?the hint at a notion of tension.? Again, I think we?re very lenient, but if you feel that?s such a concern, simply bring it up with specific examples and the decision in question will be reviewed. If deemed an unnecessary closure, then it?ll be opened. Everyone judges things differently and maybe the mod was just too quick to close it. The T-Dome. Why are you even bringing that up? You yourself agreed completely with its removal? It became a magnet for sex and flaming?both of which are completely unnecessary at a Pok?mon forum. We do allow debates so long as they don?t get out of hand, you know. It?s not like we see something with two sides that oppose each other and go, ?oh noes! Flame potential! We have to close it NOW.? Just?keep things to a low simmer and no intervention needs to be made with the thread. Finally, no one complains about the lack of rep either. You know just as well as I do it was taken away because of abuse?it wasn?t going to stop and simply saying, ?if you don?t like getting bad rep, turn off your rep? wasn?t working. So it was pulled.

Before you think about locking this cause it's obviously "anti-PC" and I'm "flaming" you guys so horribly, please just check yourself. Imagine you were a member looking at the big bad staff...never letting you voice your opinion on anything unless it agrees with what the staff said first. You guys may say you let us voice what we wanna say as long as it's docile and tensionless...but it's simply ---not----true---...You count every non-pro-staff thing we say as anti-staff, and you end us right there.

Just think about it really...If you lock this thread because it'll cause a flame war and no ones mature about it and blah blah blah, you're proving my point -_-. I'd love for you all to prove me wrong now (ok that sounded really sarcastic, but what I meant was I'd like to be proven wrong which means that you guys really want change and stuff so you won't have to be so tightly strung)

In the last few weeks the staff has really tensed up. That whole Steve thing really took a lot out of most of us. So to get back on so soon after it ?blew over? and to see people just saying bad things about the staff in general wasn?t the greatest. Sure, at times we as a whole likely over-react, but it people were to give REAL reasons for why they don?t like or disagree with the staff so severely it wouldn?t be so bad. Most people don?t give us those reasons, hence why after a while it just begins to irk us.

The Staff Feedback Thread. In theory, it?s a good idea since it would let people comment on the staff and let the staff know who?s acting up and who?s doing a good job. Like I said before, in the past, the thread always ended up delving into a plethora of posts that weren?t very useful at all. Basically just people saying which mods were inactive (something already known to the staff) or which forums needed mods (again, already known to the staff and more like a cry for attention for the member who brought it up to be modded). It was rarely?if ever?actually used to give real feedback. If we did get it, it would be so vague that nothing could be done about it. Or it would be the result of a member not liking one perfectly fine decision made regarding his or her thread, etc. Then, also, if someone did have a real reason to complain about the staff, I know a lot of people would be too shy or timid to post said complaint in plain sight of the entire board and especially the staff member in question. So to be honest, simply PMing one of the higher staff and especially one of admin ranking is just a lot easier for everyone. Not only is it discreet, but it?s also far more efficient. One-on-one, for example, I would be able to ask questions and get all the details regarding the situation and then be able to bring it up with others to make a decision regarding the information. In a thread, it can sometimes be harder or more awkward to disclose that kind of information to a public audience. Not only that, but it prevents the thread as being a medium used only to rally others into some sort of an anti-staff ideal. (While that?s fine when merited, it usually isn?t.) If there?s a problem with the ENTIRE staff as a whole, then it might be best to open a thread on it, but even still it?s probably just best to PM someone. I?m not saying this so that everything regarding the staff will always be done hush-hush. I simply believe it would be easier this way, not to mention tensions wouldn?t run so high all the time.

And?now with my free time suddenly gone as that took way longer than it should have, I?ve gotta leave off there. If anyone has anything else they'd like me to reply to, please point it out. o.o

 

[Freenaturearts]

Thanks for your post Lighting :hugs: o_o you made that alot more organized then what I was about to say :thumbs up: To all or most of what she said I agree o.o however Kylie-chan. I'm not saying anything bad, but maybe he's not fighting back cause it's just childish?

 

[Yameneko549]

I don't know how you staff members handle all the bashing, but you do, and I salute you for that. In fact, you guys handle the boards a lot better than several other forums I've been to, and that's saying something.

I really don't have time to pick through all the endless crud right now, or else I would comment on a couple of things. Maybe later, after I've got my laptop set up again and my schoolwork is done, I will.

You guys rock, and I honestly mean that.

 

[Kylie-chan]

You know what's childish?

Using my age against me. x.x Given that he initiated this whole thing anyway... yeah.

+is off now <_<+

Thanks, Yame~TD.

 

[Freenaturearts]

he ment that towards you O_O?!.... Okay .... Did not get that but I will see why he did that ¬¬ Age makes NO differents. I'm a prime example XD My age says I'm 18 but I'm actualy a very imature 18 year old. O_O So those younger can be even more mature. It's nothing to make fun of o.o why did he use that? :goes to look for him on Aim

 

[John Denver]

Sorry to burst you guys' bubble but, age does make a difference. How many of you have little brothers and sisters that get on your nerves, that act like they know everything even though you KNOW they don't. Not every time, but nearly every the time. I made that age comment about Kylie because I did talk to her extensively OUTside of PC, and everytime I'd try to get a good grounding conversation with her, she'd end it with "well you're just stupid and immature" or "you just don't understand kthnxbye". I just don't want to deal with it, so I'm not gonna argue with an 11 year old. For all of you people with younger siblings who bother you and never see any side, you don't like arguing with them do you because it's pointless and it gets you no where? That is where I'm coming from, and that is why I'm not gonna argue with Kylie, she'd already proven to me she can't keep a flame-free conversation with me. Lotsa you guys support her because you're friends with her, I don't blame you. But don't judge me because I said what I did.

I respect Erica for replying to my post with open ears. I know that every higher staff has had to defend themselves in one way or another on PC against idiotic n00bs who just want to complain with big long posts explaining why they're right. I just wish I could talk to you guys individually. Online discussions mean nothing really, cause they never get anywhere...so I'm trying to give as many facts and reasons as I can. You guys can accept them or reject them, and I honestly expect you do reject them >_> It's easier to win the lottery than to change someones opinion of themselves online.

I'd really like to talk to you guys over MSN and AIM ._.

And to those who said I'm only acting like this because I was demodded, you're simply incorrect. I've been fighting for a new PC for months now, ask any of the higher staff I'm friends with (who I still consider friends), and I guess this is where it went to. I'm not so mad about being demodded, seriously...I'm seriously not. But banning me just put me over the edge. It was just plain wrong, and it made me realize what I had done in the past. I remember being a higher staff that sometimes I (and every other higher staff has done it to) would ban someone simply because I didn't like them. I would find something, ANYthing about them, any loophole and get them banned. I never even knew I was doing it! I was a superhero in my own eyes, I never once thought I was doing wrong. But I was doing wrong...And what the higher staff did to me made me realize everything about em.

In the two weeks I was banned it made me check myself when I was higher staff. Gave me the whole "some things have gotta change" vibe goin...Lotsa you members go on and on about how great the staff is (they're not stupid, they know most of you are brown nosing because you wanna be a mod) but you have NO IDEA WHATSOEVER of what they have to do everyday. Yeah it's hard...but some of the stuff they do is just plain wrong.

I'd rather talk to them about this over MSN or AIM. I say that a lot, but I mean it >_>. It's too frivolous and tedious over PC.

 

[Kylie-chan]

I never said "You're just stupid and immature". That's different to "You're being stupid and immature". O_o;

I did talk to her extensively OUTside of PC

Really? Fifteen convos or so isn't what I'd call extensively. As for harrassing me in my Xanga, that doesn't count. @_@;

Dakota, you just called yourself biased. You called us biased. Yet, oddly enough, I don't see a justification there. "Oh, you guys ban people just because you don't like them." We've banned people we like before. We also ban people we don't like. Why don't we like them? Because we don't like rule-breaking. I can't believe you could possibly expect us to like you after the way you behaved. <_<; However, if we had liked you, we'd have banned you anyway. The behaviour you showed was inappropriate. You were a Praetor at the time you managed to get the DCC closed for your actions. That kind of stuff is just not on. @_@; You can't justify that kind of behaviour. Threatening to mass-spam... bashing mods [mods count as members <_< We all are members. Some just have mod powers]... and so forth.

You asked for links. The posts have been deleted. Why did we delete them? Because they were unacceptable. That should be proof enough.

Oh, and by the way - a few of the people who "support" me in one thing or another [not necesarily this] aren't really friends. I might also add that I am an older sibling. XP

 

[John Denver]

Every example you give is flat out wrong Kylie...why is this?

LOL at Generic's name change...bubblebutt?

And like I said...again...any talking about me being banned...MSN or AIM, please...I don't want to go crazy here on PC. But I'll gladly talk to anyone over msn or aim about it.

I'd still like to get s'more feedback

 

[Supreme Edgeboy Max]

Heh, ya'll hate me so much, but you still didn't manage to ban me yet. =P

Yeah sure...
Like absolute power never corrupts anyone.

Heh, just the thing I wanted to hear. Just looky, the exact thing's happened to you. You're being one minded to PROVE to everyone that you rule. Oh and one more thing, being immature doesn't necessarily mean the person is immature. A person acting weird may just as well be mature enough to be better then any of ya'll.

Just one thing though, for some reason I'm having confusion over what we're fighting for.
Dakota is out to tell the moderators they're wrong in a lot of aspects, the moderators are out to prove HIM wrong, and I'm just in the middle somewhere for some reason.

 

[Dark Quill]

Well, Edgeboy is kinda telling the truth, some of the moderators are getting a little too jumpy at some basic mistakes, like double-posting for example.
I can't say I'm not taking sides, but I kinda agree with Dakota and Edgeboy on some of their points.
Just my opinion is all... No need to get worked up over it...

 

[Dark Quill]

Hang on, Dakota was a moderator before?
Hmm, that changes things...