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soo... are you sure the legendary pokemon are gods (spoilers)

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    I mean, I find it doubtful that they could be, especially since they can be defeated, even though it would be difficult. And my definition of a god is that it cannot be defeated. Even Aruseus, the creation pokemon, could be defeated, if the health gauge is proof enough. And before you say that it is only in the games, need I remind you that the Anime also mentions them being defeated? A notable example would be Pokemon the Movie 2000. Other examples would be the Noland episode, the Raikou special, the Lugia arc, the 4th and 5th movies (Celebi and Latios, respectively), the Mewtwo Returns special, the Groudon and Kyogre arc (they didn't exactly show one being defeated, but since they were fighting and if Rayquaza didn't intervene, then one of them, if not the both of them, would be defeated.) the Battle Pyramid arc (at least, Regice was defeated.), the Deoxys movie (same as scuffle of legends except replace Groudon and Kyogre with Deoxys (both the shadow ones and the two Deoxys) and Rayquaza, and Rayquasa (the one from scuffle of legends I mean.) with Ash and Company (as well as the malfuntioning blocky robots.).). you may point out that they control the laws of nature, but then again, non legendary pokemon can do that as well.
     
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    you may point out that they control the laws of nature, but then again, non legendary pokemon can do that as well.
    Name one non-Legendary Pokémon that can force volcanos to erupt. Yes, I know that when a herd of Pikachu gather, their elcetricity causes thunderclouds to appear. That's when you have to have multiple Pikachu. Raikou can do that with by itself. And Lugia can create hurricanes of destructive forces.

    I mean, I find it doubtful that they could be, especially since they can be defeated, even though it would be difficult.
    In one of my favorite fantasy book series, the gods take the forms of humans to walk around and see how things are going. Or to meddle. The Pokégods are actual physical entities that wander the world. They are only flesh and blood. No matter what qualities humans attach to them, such as Entei and its powers to make volcanos erupt, the Pokégods are still flesh and blood. If you cut them, do they not bleed?
     
    I think they are the gods because they are legends most things what are legends rule.

    While they easily beat everything else, the other Pokemon have alot of trouble to verse some.

    So to me they are gods.
     
    Ok, Hanako Tabris, here is a list of things that are nature controlling related and the users aren't legendary: Torkoals attacks include eruption. AJ's Sandshrew used earthquake, which, although isn't exactly a volcano erupting, it is a sign that a volcano is erupting (or about to erupt), as well as many rock, or ground pokemon using the technique as well as magnitude. For other portions of nature, many non legendary flying pokemon, Pidgey and it's family being a notable example, has the gust move, which actually forms up a tornado, which, last time I checked, was a destructive force. Also, in the Showdown at Dark City episode, Pikachu actually summoned a thundercloud all by itself to use thunder to conduct the wires to basically shock both the Yas and Kas gyms to try and stop them from warring with each other. I think Gyarados changed the calm weather to stormy weather when it was about to use Dragon Rage, Castform actually mutates forms depending on the weather, not to mention actually uses weather controlling moves. Some non- legendary water pokemon know the rain summoning move Rain Dance. And some pokemon that aren't legendaries, like Jynx for example, seem to summon Blizzards. Also some non-legendary pokemon use the oceanic wave summoning ability known as Surf. also, pokemon such as Clefairy and Togepi use metronome, and some of the random attacks have weather inducing powers.

    And in regards to what I said about my definition of a god, I was using the definition of the Christian God. Although you do have a good point on the part on the legendarys, if cut, can bleed and are basically flesh and blood.
     
    Jesus was the one who said "If you cut me, do I not bleed?" He is the Son of God, as defined by religious terms. And can we please remember that there are other religions out there, and that the Japanese people who created Pokémon are Taoists as well?

    You name me one regular non-Legendary that can resurrect life as Ho-Oh can. You name me one non-Legenadry Pokémon that can level islands. You name me one non-Legendary Pokémon that can be brought down easily, as Nica said. You name me one non-Legendary Pokémon that can create the world.
     
    In regards to the part of resurrecting life like Ho-Oh, in Mewtwo Strikes Back, many Pokemon, both the original and the cloned, non-legendary Pokemon (this rules out Mewtwo and Mew, and even if they did count, they weren't crying, they were looking around bewildered.), cried for Ash, and he was resurrected by their tears (It is also the same movie that had mentions of God in the beginning of the Japanese version that was cut by 4kids.). Also, if by leveling islands, you mean possibly destroying it, then Pikachu did destroy a mountain in Hoenn (Ok, so it wasn't exactly an island, but, islands are mountains that have their summits rise out of the waves, so it sort of fits.). Also, basically every Pokemon, depending on the strength of your Pokemon, can be easily taken down. now if you meant can't be easily taken down, again that has to do with how much experience the Pokemon has. you and Nica have a point on the Aruseus creating the world part, but like I said, he can still be taken down. And I know about the part involving Jesus, but I was meaning God the father, and God the holy spirit, especially the parts in that no matter the challenges, he always takes down the armies of evil (hence my thinking on how God is supposed to be unbeatable.) Plus, Jesus never died or fainted, if using Pokemon terms (and by that I mean actually staying dead. Yes, he did die on the cross for our sins, but he revived himself three days later.). And I know that there are other religions other than christianity. but even if they were polytheistic, they believed that their "gods" cannot be killed (Greece and Rome did, anyways. Yes they did have gruesome stories on how Athena was born, but the "god" who gave birth to her still lived, nonetheless.)
     
    I don't think they're gods.. I think they can resemble a godly, holy figure, but every legendary POkemon has their own weaknesses.. and it's not as if a legendary can never be KO-ed. Gods shouldn't die, should they? =/
     
    We're talking about Pokégods? At one point did we start living in 1998 again?
     
    Togepi and Marill were mistaken as PokeGods back in RBY days.
    I don't remember most of it, though.

    Oh yes, I think I've heard something like that about Togepi back then as well..

    hmmms. RBY days were 2000 for me/in my country.. the game only became a phenomenon (as it should be :P) in 2000 over here.. ><
     
    I don't think they're gods.. I think they can resemble a godly, holy figure, but every legendary POkemon has their own weaknesses.. and it's not as if a legendary can never be KO-ed. Gods shouldn't die, should they? =/

    That was the point I was trying to make (Apart from the previous statements I made in my previous post.). Thank you, Miyo, for bringing up the point that I couldn't convince them. I really thank you. Anyways, the part involving Legendaries being Gods doesn't even make sense, because they can still be KO'ed, even by a non-legendary.
     
    That was the point I was trying to make (Apart from the previous statements I made in my previous post.). Thank you, Miyo, for bringing up the point that I couldn't convince them. I really thank you. Anyways, the part involving Legendaries being Gods doesn't even make sense, because they can still be KO'ed, even by a non-legendary.

    They're considered Gods in the Anime only (by fans, not officially). In the game, the world doesn't get thrown outta whack when you catch one, but do so in the Anime and all hell breaks loose. However, that doesn't necessarily apply to all Pokemon that are considered Legendary (only the ones that are stated to maintain the properties of the world). Classic example, Zapdos, Articuno and Moltres are like Gods, but Latios and Latias aren't (world didn't end or get thrown outta whack when Latios croaked).

    Basically, after First Edition, they started going into the realm of sub-Legendaries (legendary Pokemon that aren't the main Legendaries of the world, Demi-Gods), which was already evident in the games. That's why in the games thirty different Trainers can go against each other and have Articuno, Moltres and Zapdos on their respective teams.

    Also you have to remember, the Gods in mythology weren't indestructible. They could be slain (though it usually requires an epic quest to do so). The same can apply to the Legendary Pokemon, even if they ARE Gods.

    Bottom line: Am I sure the Legendary Pokemon are Gods? No. Are they comparable to Gods? Yes.
     
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    In regards to the part of resurrecting life like Ho-Oh, in Mewtwo Strikes Back, many Pokemon, both the original and the cloned, non-legendary Pokemon (this rules out Mewtwo and Mew, and even if they did count, they weren't crying, they were looking around bewildered.), cried for Ash, and he was resurrected by their tears (It is also the same movie that had mentions of God in the beginning of the Japanese version that was cut by 4kids.). Also, if by leveling islands, you mean possibly destroying it, then Pikachu did destroy a mountain in Hoenn (Ok, so it wasn't exactly an island, but, islands are mountains that have their summits rise out of the waves, so it sort of fits.). Also, basically every Pokemon, depending on the strength of your Pokemon, can be easily taken down. now if you meant can't be easily taken down, again that has to do with how much experience the Pokemon has. you and Nica have a point on the Aruseus creating the world part, but like I said, he can still be taken down. And I know about the part involving Jesus, but I was meaning God the father, and God the holy spirit, especially the parts in that no matter the challenges, he always takes down the armies of evil (hence my thinking on how God is supposed to be unbeatable.) Plus, Jesus never died or fainted, if using Pokemon terms (and by that I mean actually staying dead. Yes, he did die on the cross for our sins, but he revived himself three days later.). And I know that there are other religions other than christianity. but even if they were polytheistic, they believed that their "gods" cannot be killed (Greece and Rome did, anyways. Yes they did have gruesome stories on how Athena was born, but the "god" who gave birth to her still lived, nonetheless.)

    1. That's multiple Pokemon, not just one. Also, are we even sure he was dead and not just petrified?

    2. Mountains are not islands. Islands are usually MUCH bigger. Pikachu (or any other non-Legendary) could not level an entire island.

    3. None of the higher-level Legendaries have EVER been beaten in the anime (like SBaby said, they aren't really given the same level of divinity in the games). They've been weakened (which is quite possible to do to a god if given enough force, like from another god), but never beaten.

    Now, as regards to the entire topic, hairybug, whether or not a Legendary compares to a god eventually comes down to an individual's belief. You're free to have your own belief, but can NOT try to force others to change theirs (which is what you're doing). I am outraged that you're trying to change others' beliefs (or even convert them? It isn't that hard to see) and using the forum to do it. Either drop the topic and move on or LEAVE.

    By the way, all of those attacks you mentioned earlier as controlling nature...are ATTACKS. Eruption is an attack (which DOESN'T cause actual volcanoes to erupt, BTW), Earthquake is an attack, Gust is an attack, and Rain Dance/Sunny Day/Sandstorm/Hail are attacks (that don't even last that long). Legendaries can do it WITHOUT using an attack.
     
    Jesus was the one who said "If you cut me, do I not bleed?" He is the Son of God, as defined by religious terms. And can we please remember that there are other religions out there, and that the Japanese people who created Pokémon are Taoists as well?

    You name me one regular non-Legendary that can resurrect life as Ho-Oh can. You name me one non-Legenadry Pokémon that can level islands. You name me one non-Legendary Pokémon that can be brought down easily, as Nica said. You name me one non-Legendary Pokémon that can create the world.

    A-hem... Jesus was in the form of a man when he said that, and thus had a dual identity as both God and man. If you're trying to say that Jesus meant that God is a physical person, you are sadly mistake... but let's leave religion out of this.

    To get to my point, the legendary Pokemon are not considered gods for one reason- no one worships them. There are no temples in honor of Ho-oh, no shrines to Aruseus. The closest thing that you get at all to a temple to any legendary is the shrine to the forest's protector, Celebi, and while I believe Celebi has a festival in his/her honor, he/she/it is not regarded as a deity in the sense that I see it. Anyway, name one legendary who cannot be defeated: their ability to lose alone proves their mortality. Aruseus may be considered the "God of Pokemon", but that is probably stemming from the mythology surrounding him, just like real living creatures inspired the stories of sea monsters told by sailors.

    1. That's multiple Pokemon, not just one. Also, are we even sure he was dead and not just petrified?

    2. Mountains are not islands. Islands are usually MUCH bigger. Pikachu (or any other non-Legendary) could not level an entire island.

    3. None of the higher-level Legendaries have EVER been beaten in the anime (like SBaby said, they aren't really given the same level of divinity in the games). They've been weakened (which is quite possible to do to a god if given enough force, like from another god), but never beaten.

    Now, as regards to the entire topic, hairybug, whether or not a Legendary compares to a god eventually comes down to an individual's belief. You're free to have your own belief, but can NOT try to force others to change theirs (which is what you're doing). I am outraged that you're trying to change others' beliefs (or even convert them? It isn't that hard to see) and using the forum to do it. Either drop the topic and move on or LEAVE.

    By the way, all of those attacks you mentioned earlier as controlling nature...are ATTACKS. Eruption is an attack (which DOESN'T cause actual volcanoes to erupt, BTW), Earthquake is an attack, Gust is an attack, and Rain Dance/Sunny Day/Sandstorm/Hail are attacks (that don't even last that long). Legendaries can do it WITHOUT using an attack.

    A-hem, once again...

    1. Are you sure the Legendaries WEREN'T using an attack? Pokemon don't tend to yell "Earthquake!" or "Sunny Day!" when attacking, so there is really no evidence that the legendaries were not using a technique. Don't cite this as evidence.

    2. Icha, I didn't see anything in here asking you to change your belief. If you do not want to discuss the topic, perhaps YOU should be the one to leave. Those of us who do want to talk about it are free to do so as much as we please. Kindly respect our rights.

    3. Lugia was knocked into the water during the second movie, Celebi was captured in a dark ball, and Kyogre was driven off by a combined effort from Groudon and Satoshi-tachi. Raikou has been captured, and had to be rescued. And if one God can weaken another, it stands to reason that he can beat another. Ability to lose= no divinity. Out of the ballpark.

    4. The whole "Poke-Tear ressurection" thing was because Pokemon have tears full of life- any Pokemon can resurrect someone from near death with enough power. Anyway, even if it takes multiple non-legendaries to equal the power of a single legend, doesn't that still mean that the legendary Pokemon lose some divine status? After all, a god should be able to do things no mortal could ever equal, no matter what... if you're going to cite unique legendary moves as evidence here, don't bother. I understand that. But no high-level legendary has ever used its unique move in the anime. Why, I don't know. Go figure.
     
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