What are the limits?

[ERS]

Hi guys!
I was wondering about one thing the whole night yesterday...
What are the limits between cheating and not cheating?

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I've played Pokémon Emerald Version on my computer (VisualBoyAdvance) for a while now, and realised there is only one way (for me) to have the same Pokémon on my Emerald to my Pokémon HeartGold Version (No emulator!).
The only way for me is to actually create the Pokémon in PokéGen. Same stats, EVs (it might become a little hard to find out what those are), attacks and level etc...

So, what do you guys think? Is that cheating? Or is it just another kind of "Pal Park"? :\

Thanks for reading this!

 

[Haseyo]

Only thing I find cheating is when a Pokemon has something it shouldn't, like a Charizard with Thunderbolt or something along those lines.
As long as it is within moveset / stat / ability legal means, then I don't consider it cheating, just saving repetitive time.

 

[ERS]

Only thing I find cheating is when a Pokemon has something it shouldn't, like a Charizard with Thunderbolt or something along those lines.
As long as it is within moveset / stat / ability legal means, then I don't consider it cheating, just saving repetitive time.

I also forgot to say that I release my Pokémon Afterwards in Pokemon Emerald. :)

 

[Mr Cat Dog]

As this is concerned more with games spanning multiple generations - and is, indeed, a more general question, I'm going to move this to Pokemon Gaming Central.

Moving on up

 

[Skillah]

I personally think that isn't really cheating, since you're releasing them on your emerald. I think when people Clone or RNG Shinies it's cheating. I mean really? Where's the fun it it. I do the Mesuda egg breeding trick, and I think it's way more rewarding, because it's more luck.

 

[PlatinumDude]

I'm okay with cheating for items (but only if they're hard to get), but having illegal move sets and abilities is totally wrong. I also don't consider RNGing cheating.

 

[Porynoir]

I consider anything that doesn't normally happen in-game besides events cheating, but that doesn't mean I don't cheat every once in a while XD. So yeah, I consider RNGing cheating, though I'd still do it if I could. Anywho, if you do it on the dot, I wouldn't consider it cheating.

 

[ERS]

I consider anything that doesn't normally happen in-game besides events cheating, but that doesn't mean I don't cheat every once in a while XD. So yeah, I consider RNGing cheating, though I'd still do it if I could. Anywho, if you do it on the dot, I wouldn't consider it cheating.

Well, this is how my progress goes:

1. Getting the exact information about the pokemon (calculate EVs, IVs and more...). Attacks, abillities etc. Exp points and more.

2. Save the code to your AR.

3. Activate the code on your HG/SS, getting the Pokémon, and releasing it on my Save-File (Pokemon Emerald).

 

[Skitty1]

In Pokemon black I wanted to get a Pokemon (Skitty - my user name :p) but in order to get it I would have needed to buy a new NDS and beat the whole game. It defeats the purpose because if I beat the game there is no point in getting Skitty (because there is not a whole lot to do). So I got a emulator and a rom (don't ask how I have it) and I used a wild Pokemon editor and set Route 1 to have all Skitty. I went in caught 1 then I deleted the hacked rom and used the original and now I have Skitty :).

*Is it cheating? yes.
*Why did I do it? I did not want to beat the whole game in order to get Skitty (it is pointless because like I said once I beat the main story other then catching other Pokemon there is not much to do).
*Do I think that I was ok to cheat? hell ya! it does not make sense to wait that long.

I posted a quesiton yahoo regarding Nintendo making it harder and harder to tranfer Pokemon here. That relates to my feelings on the issue a tad bit too :)

 

[voicerocker]

The thing that makes Pokemon different from cheating in other games is that the games are designed to not allow cheating. (Like, no "enter cheat code" option) If you cheat in Pokemon, it's through a bug in the programming, or an unofficial outside source. If you're doing it to gain an unfair advantage, then it's definitely wrong. Illegal movesets, perfect stats, event Pokemon...all those things that aren't avaiable in-game legally I'd say qualifies as an unfair advantage.

That said, I have cloned my main teams once, but only so that I could keep them on my GBA games AND have them on my DS games. Not to trade them or anything like that. I just wanted to be able to use them on Colosseum or Gale of Darkness if I decided to play those games again, but have them on Battle Revolution as well. Since they're in separate Generations of games, I didn't think it was wrong. I didn't do this for Gen 5 though because I decided to restart my Gen 4 games again one day.

But, if you aren't going to be battling other players, then cheat away!

In Pokemon black I wanted to get a Pokemon (Skitty - my user name :p) but in order to get it I would have needed to buy a new NDS and beat the whole game. It defeats the purpose because if I beat the game there is no point in getting Skitty (because there is not a whole lot to do). So I got a emulator and a rom (don't ask how I have it) and I used a wild Pokemon editor and set Route 1 to have all Skitty. I went in caught 1 then I deleted the hacked rom and used the original and now I have Skitty :).

*Is it cheating? yes.
*Why did I do it? I did not want to beat the whole game in order to get Skitty (it is pointless because like I said once I beat the main story other then catching other Pokemon there is not much to do).
*Do I think that I was ok to cheat? hell ya! it does not make sense to wait that long.

I posted a quesiton yahoo regarding Nintendo making it harder and harder to tranfer Pokemon here. That relates to my feelings on the issue a tad bit too :)

I read your post on yahoo answers, but I disagree. In fact, I believe just the oppostie.

Is Nintendo trying to get rid of older generations? I ask because as the newer games progress - they make it more of a pain in the *** for me to transfer my Pokemon over. It seems like they are trying to discourage people to do so...

The fact you can transfer your Pokemon at all suggests they want people to be able to keep the Pokemon they had on previous games. Pokemon from games made 10 years ago can still be used today (My Ruby team is currently on my Black game.) They also prevented the use of all 493 Pokemon before Gen 5 for a reason.

Wikipedia:
When asked about the decision to introduce over 150 new species of Pokémon, Masuda stated that they did this so old players would not be able to know what is a good Pokémon to use, and it would level the playing ground for new players.

It was just to make battles fair for the new fans. Also, one of the biggest features about Black 2 and White 2 was the return of the older Pokemon. If they were getting rid of the earlier generations, they wouldn't have promoted their return.

I like being able to use my Pokemon (from Emerald) in HG/SS but in Black I have to beat the whole ******* game first... so tell me how this makes sense.

Well, does it makes sense to have a level 100 Pokemon before beating the game either? No. It's so that the games actually have some sort of challenge to them, and like before, keeps older fans from having an unfair advantage over new fans. If we could just transfer all our Pokemon from the start, why even bother putting in Gym Leaders, bad guys, a Champion, or any sort of story?

First you have to beat the game then you are able to get the Pokemon but WAIT there is nothing more to do!!! it defeats the whole god damn purpose *face palm*.

Getting those other Pokemon IS something more to do after the story. That's when the focus from "save the region" shifts to "complete the pokedex" and "train for wi-fi battles". Take that away and there would be even less for you do to postgame. That's why the Pokemon games don't have a definite ending, once you beat the story, you're expected to train for wi-fi battles and attempt to finish the Pokedex.

 

[Skitty1]

The thing that makes Pokemon different from cheating in other games is that the games are designed to not allow cheating. (Like, no "enter cheat code" option) If you cheat in Pokemon, it's through a bug in the programming, or an unofficial outside source. If you're doing it to gain an unfair advantage, then it's definitely wrong. Illegal movesets, perfect stats, event Pokemon...all those things that aren't avaiable in-game legally I'd say qualifies as an unfair advantage.

That said, I have cloned my main teams once, but only so that I could keep them on my GBA games AND have them on my DS games. Not to trade them or anything like that. I just wanted to be able to use them on Colosseum or Gale of Darkness if I decided to play those games again, but have them on Battle Revolution as well. Since they're in separate Generations of games, I didn't think it was wrong. I didn't do this for Gen 5 though because I decided to restart my Gen 4 games again one day.

But, if you aren't going to be battling other players, then cheat away!

Well I doubt that this is an unfair advantage...

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The game recognizes Skitty as my Pokemon so I don't have to worry about the trading limitations (you know having to get badges for them to listen properly) and none of the stats are overpowered either. Though Skitty should not be there until much later on I still think that it is not that big of a deal. If you have not gotten the picture yet I love Skitty that's the only reason why I did what I did - I don't think I should be ridiculed for wanting my favorite pink sprite ion my team.

As for multiplayer I have gotten on once to test it out but it is a pain to do (but no I would not cheat if I could on multiplayer mode).

I read your post on yahoo answers, but I disagree. In fact, I believe just the oppostie.

Am I a bad person? :'( (and no I am not trolling).

Well, does it makes sense to have a level 100 Pokemon before beating the game either? No. It's so that the games actually have some sort of challenge to them, and like before, keeps older fans from having an unfair advantage over new fans. If we could just transfer all our Pokemon from the start, why even bother putting in Gym Leaders, bad guys, a Champion, or any sort of story?

Ok I will give you that it would be unfair to blaze through the game with a high level Pokemon but my Skitty (in emerald) is a level 30 but yes that would still be a pretty big advantage (considering the first gym leader has a level 14 Pokemon only).

 

[voicerocker]

Well I doubt that this is an unfair advantage...

Image mirror (in case the one above gets removed): https://i49.tinypic.com/2ce2e4z.png

The game recognizes Skitty as my Pokemon so I don't have to worry about the trading limitations (you know having to get badges for them to listen properly) and none of the stats are overpowered either. Though Skitty should not be there until much later on I still think that it is not that big of a deal. If you have not gotten the picture yet I love Skitty that's the only reason why I did what I did - I don't think I should be ridiculed for wanting my favorite pink sprite ion my team.

As for multiplayer I have gotten on once to test it out but it is a pain to do (but no I would not cheat if I could on multiplayer mode).

Yeah, a Skitty isn't as big a deal as say Arceus or Genesect. Since Skitty can be found naturally in the game without events, I don't think it's that big of a deal. It takes away from your postgame, but that only affects you, not other people. Personally, I'd rather catch one the legit way, but if your Skitty doesn't have anything it shouldn't have, I'd let it slide.

Am I a bad person? :'( (and no I am not trolling).

No, of course not. I said I disagreed with you, not that I thought you were evil for hacking the game or anything like that. You said it made no sense for Game Freak to do the things they did and that they were trying to get rid of the older Pokemon. All I was doing was showing you why they limited the Pokemon and show you that they definitely aren't getting rid of past Pokemon. Just because I said you were wrong doesn't mean I think you're a bad person.

Ok I will give you that it would be unfair to blaze through the game with a high level Pokemon but my Skitty (in emerald) is a level 30 but yes that would still be a pretty big advantage (considering the first gym leader has a level 14 Pokemon only).

See? There's a method to the madness. If Game Freak does something, it's to allow people to get more enjoyment out of the games. They just don't want people cruising through the games and then getting on the internet and saying "Man, those games sucked! I used my Diamond team with my (hacked) Arceus and (hacked) Genesect on Black and crushed everyone! Too easy... >:("

 

[Brendino]

In Pokemon black I wanted to get a Pokemon (Skitty - my user name :p) but in order to get it I would have needed to buy a new NDS and beat the whole game.

Well, you can legally get a Skitty through the Dream World prior to beating the game, but it just wouldn't be registered in the Unova Dex.

I personally have mixed opinions on cheating. On one hand, you could make a perfectly legal Pokemon on a program like PokeGen, and I don't see any problem in using it. However, this does give you the unfair advantage of putting in next to no effort to get an amazing Pokemon, while someone else may have spent hours or days trying to get that same Pokemon in a legit fashion.

Other things like the creating a replica of your own Pokemon with the same stats, moves, name, etc. for one game and deleting it on the original I would see as acceptable (and have done it myself in fact), because you shouldn't be penalized if you don't have two DSes or a DS that has a GBA game slot.

Using an Action Replay to get unlimited items, maxed out stats and all Shiny Pokemon are definitely things I would consider cheating.

 

[Nemesis51]

By definition of cheating your doing something that isn't supported by the game, Generating pokemon. So I would say you are in fact cheating. But at least your doing it a morally as possible since there's no easy way for you to transfer the pokemon.

I personally do both. I beat the game as is, the legit way. And for fun I will generate 6 pokemon at level 1 that I want to start with for the whole game. It just comes down to how you want to play.

 

[MiTjA]

The bottom line is, what is possible without cheating/legal.

Then it just depends on how far you allow yourself to go while still feeling "good" about it.

 

[ShinyUmbreon189]

I don't see it as cheating. I see cheating as modding (gameshark) in legendaries at the beginning of the game, getting 999 rare candies and using them on your pokemon to get them to level 100, teaching them moves by modding in moves they can't learn, walking through boulders, water, trees, etc cuz you don't wanna use weak moves. Which I completely understand the walk through trees thing lol.

 

[Skitty1]

Alright guys/girls I have a few more things to add...

-Well I went into Pokegen and made my Skitty shiny... I did because I like the way she looks (shiny form). Granted it is cheating but I am not trying to trade it or any thing no guilt there.
-I also used an event editor (basically you open the save in the editor and select an event file) then in game you go to a Pokemart to get the Pokemon. I don't really see this as cheating because you can get these normally. I am just getting them at a later date.