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benthekid

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    right well i was watching the old series on youtube,and i saw in a clip that bulbasaur used whirlwind!wtf?thats so stupid!its a grass type
    grass+whirlwind=wtf?

    what do you think about this?
     
    benthekid said:
    right well i was watching the old series on youtube,and i saw in a clip that bulbasaur used whirlwind!wtf?thats so stupid!its a grass type
    grass+whirlwind=wtf?

    what do you think about this?
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    oh i know what episode your talking about it's the one where it's having a match against either a bug type or grass one and it uses like sleep powder on bulbasaur and it bulbasaur blows it away as whirlwind? i never understood how a grass type like bulbasaur could do that
     
    most of ashs pokemon know weird moves:including totodile with scull bash
     
    skull bash? what's so weird about that squirtle can learn it, i think ash's squirtle learnt that
     
    benthekid said:
    right well i was watching the old series on youtube,and i saw in a clip that bulbasaur used whirlwind!wtf?thats so stupid!its a grass type
    grass+whirlwind=wtf?

    what do you think about this?
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    It's just an improvising on Ash's part. He's done it a few times most recently being Buizel's Ice Aqua Jet and this is just another example of it.

    most of ashs pokemon know weird moves:including totodile with scull bash
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    Even though it can't learn Skull Bash in the games, it doesn't mean it can't use it in the animé. It's essentially just a tackle with its head.

    sspokemon said:
    skull bash? what's so weird about that squirtle can learn it, i think ash's squirtle learnt that
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    Totodile can't learn Skull Bash as far as I know.
     
    yeah totodile knew skull bash.
     
    i he should havesaid, ''bulbasaur,blow it away'''
     
    lavenderbolt said:
    ash's pokemon always produce new moves to win, after all, he's main character
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    Exactly.

    The anime always goes against the normal logic. Like you guys mentioned, Squirtle knowing Skull Bash. I'm pretty sure only Blastoise can know that move in that series of evolution. And the one you put, benthekid with Bulbasaur knowing Whirlwind.

    I remember in one of the movies, I think it was Mewtwo Strikes Back, Ash was in a one to three battle, and one of the Pokemon he was facing was a Golem, and Pikachu KOed all three using Thunderbolt, or some other Electric move. Electric is supposed to have no affect on Golem, remember? But Ash is our hero, so his maker makes him invinsible. :P
     
    ~Bloodex. said:
    Exactly.

    The anime always goes against the normal logic. Like you guys mentioned, Squirtle knowing Skull Bash. I'm pretty sure only Blastoise can know that move in that series of evolution. And the one you put, benthekid with Bulbasaur knowing Whirlwind.

    I remember in one of the movies, I think it was Mewtwo Strikes Back, Ash was in a one to three battle, and one of the Pokemon he was facing was a Golem, and Pikachu KOed all three using Thunderbolt, or some other Electric move. Electric is supposed to have no affect on Golem, remember? But Ash is our hero, so his maker makes him invinsible. :P
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    very good point indeed i see that now youv'e mentioned it
     
    ya bulbasaur usin whirlwind ? weird but bloodex is right they make ashs pokemon lern impossible moves becuase hes the main chracter
     
    sorry but search, bulbasaur uses whirl wind,on youtube
     
    Regardless of whether or not Satoshi is the main character, he shouldn't be able to have his Pokémon do things they normally couldn't in the game. The game is the main canon, agree or not, and I find it rather. . Insulting that they make up their own canon. =/ It's like reading a bad fanfiction when they improvise moves like the Ice Aqua Jet or Thunder Armor. Surely a flying-type Pokémon that is stuck by lightning would faint and not be completely protected for no adequately explored reason. And as for Ice Aqua Jet, wouldn't the Pokémon inside of the Aqua Jet just freeze and be unable to move. Considering they'd be, ya know, kinda frozen and all. ._.


    But what I really can't understand is when the very logic of all we know is completely ripped to shreds. Like when Pikachuu tried to KO a Pokémon that was on the ice with a Thunderbolt while he (yes, his gender was confirmed) was in the water. Sure, water conducts electricity, but ice acts as an insulator so the opponent should have been left completely unharmed. X.x


    What good is a main character that can improvise with anything, even if it goes against logic? Why should I care about a guy that can survive a Thunderbolt attack? =/


    As for the whole 'it's basically a tackle with their head' for the Skull Bash thing, that is a b-a-d bad explanation. If that were the case, why didn't Satoshi just tell the Pokémon to tackle the other Pokémon with its head? =o It's because the writers can sometimes ( or most of the time) stupid. A Skull Bash is a Skull Bash regardless of what you say and, since this is the case, Waninoko should not be able to learn it. -_-


    I'm about sick of people sticking up for Satoshi with no good reasons whatsoever, especially when they come out with crap like 'oh, he's the main character so it's okay!!111oneoneeleven11!' because it's not okay even if he is the main character. =/ I cannot stand when any main character is invincible just because they're the main character. It's really insulting to the watchers when this happens.


    But even though the writer's seem to make-up their own canon, they still stick to the game's canon on occasions. Like with the levels and the type advantages and disadvantages (some instances, this is not true, like when Pikachuu uses an electric attack against a ground-type or when Takeshi exclaimed that water-types were weak against fire-types). They need to make up their minds. O.o​
     
    I know that 'Pokemon defies logic and Ash is the main character' isn't a good enough explanation, but it's the only explanation. We can't possibly explain what was going through the writers' minds at the time.

    I do have a query, though. Were the attack names Whirlwind and Skull Bash used in the original anime, or just in the dub?

    As for the Ice Aqua Jet, I do remember watching that and at the time wondering what was going on, but... This an anime. It's Pokemon! Defying logic is to be expected. Using this specific example, you could say that it was like a contest move; two attacks used together to create a new one. I don't doubt that one would score preeetty high in a contest.
    Thunder Armour was tragically awful, I agree, but one tries to keep an open mind about these sorts of things. I watch Pokemon because it's fun, not because it makes a shred of sense.

    SL, you say you're sick of people defending Ash, but really we're not really defending him, but the writers. Ash is just a character – it's the writers that come up with these horrendously bad situations.

    Getting back on topic swiftly, Bulbapedia had the following to say:

    Errors
    • Ash commands his Bulbasaur to use Whirlwind, though in the games, Bulbasaur cannot legitimately know this move.
      • This was most likely a dubbing error, since Whirlwind is known as ふきとばし Blow Away in Japanese. Ash was most likely telling Bulbasaur to simply "blow it away" rather than the actual attack.
    So, yes. This specific incident is most likely just a dub error. Glad we sorted that. ^_^
    xX
     
    Some of them are not dub errors. In the case of Mukkuru/Starly using Whirlwind as opposed to Gust, that was the original writers' faults. They made said Mukkuru use Whirlwind even though it can't legally learn the move in the games. The dubbers changed it to Gust, a move it can learn. So some of these are not dub errors and the writer's really did make it up.


    As for the Whirlwind thing, I know for a fact that was a dub error. I do, after all, watch the Japanese version. Silly 4Kids.


    As for defending the writers vs. defending Satoshi, a lot of people do defend Satoshi because of nostalgia or some other such nonsense.​
     
    yeah.ashs pokemon are always changing,hence when buizel learns ice punch,whitch it cant in the games
     
    benthekid said:
    yeah.ashs pokemon are always changing,hence when buizel learns ice punch,whitch it cant in the games
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    Um, buizel can learn ice punch -.-" You have to go to the move tutor on route 212 (but you have to give him shards)
     
    ~Bloodex. said:
    Exactly.The anime always goes against the normal logic. Like you guys mentioned, Squirtle knowing Skull Bash. I'm pretty sure only Blastoise can know that move in that series of evolution. And the one you put, benthekid with Bulbasaur knowing Whirlwind.
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    Squirtle leans Skull Bash at Level 35 in Gen I, Level 40 in Gen II and III, and Level 31 in Gen IV, so it's really not that unbelievable :/

    As for the Bulbasaur + Whirlwind and general haxyness of Ash's Pokémon though, just wtf. It makes me wonder what the writers are smoking.
     
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