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Haruka
October 12th, 2004, 05:19 PM
I am working for a new Computer for Christmas, but which one I should choose?

I mostly use my computer for webmastering, posting at PC, and Art Design and the computer tends to slow down, and sometimes freezes.

and it's not going to be a dell...

HP Media Center PC
Clock Speed 3200 MHz

Processor type Pentium 4

Processor manufacturer Intel
RAM
RAM installed 512 MB
Storage Hard Drive
Hard drive size 200 GB
CD / DVD Drive: DVD-RW
OS Provided
OS provided Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition

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Apple iMac G5
Processor: PowerPC G5 1.6 GHz
RAM installed: 514 MB DDR SDRAM
Cache size - type: 512 KB L2 cache
Hard drive: 80 GB Standard
2nd hard drive: None
CD / DVD drive: CD-RW / DVD-ROM combo IDE
2nd CD / DVD drive: None
Monitor type - technology - form factor: LCD display TFT active matrix
Diagonal size (inches): 17
Viewable screen size: 17
Video RAM installed: 64
Graphics processor: NVidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
Audio output: Integrated Sound card
Built-in devices: Antenna,Stereo speakers
OS provided: Apple MacOS X 10.3 CD-ROM
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Apple eMac
Processor: Motorola PowerPC G4 1.25 GHz
RAM installed: 512 MB
Cache size - type: 256 KB
Hard drive: 80 GB
CD / DVD drive: CD-RW / DVD-R
Monitor type - technology - form factor: Display
Diagonal size (inches): 17
Viewable screen size: 16
Video RAM installed: 32
Graphics processor: ATI RADEON 7500
Weight: 50
OS provided: Apple MacOS X 10.2 / MacOS 9

Geometric-sama
October 12th, 2004, 07:26 PM
I'm not a Mac fan, but if you want the computer for design then I'd say get the G5, because that's very powerful and Macs are great for design. Just make sure you can get the programs you want for your web design on Mac (if you use Dreamweaver you'll be right to go).

Kipkip
October 13th, 2004, 11:30 AM
I don't think there's much of a difference of what you get. The reason graphic designers used Apple computers because some years ago, Adobe only had Photoshop on Macs. Now, Adobe made it dual platform so Photoshop now works with Windows. So there isn't much of a differnce. But I would chose the Apple iMac G5 because I heard that you can get money off them later on if you don't have even the tiniest scratch, or any thing else that wasn't there before.

Kairi
October 13th, 2004, 09:00 PM
For what you do with the computer you could probably get by with a RAM boost since your current one is fine otherwise. If you insist on getting a new one though…you do not need an extra 160 gigs to do that stuff. And I’m pretty sure you’re not a notorious downloader either. o_O;

Never used a Mac, can’t say but those Macs are probably going to be a lot more pricey for less bang.

aaaaaa
October 13th, 2004, 11:13 PM
I think you could do alot better to build it yourself, if that's the type of money you have to spend on a PC.
A nice 915P based board like the Gigabyte 8GPNXP Duo, loaded up with a a GB or two of low latency DDR, maybe some Corsair TwinX XMS4000 Pro if you can afford it.
Pair up a Pentium 4 LGA775 CPU at around the 3.4Ghz mark, with a Vanilla ATi Radeon x800, and you'll be fine in the performance stakes.
As far as storage, LG make, and always have made, quality DVD Burners, which when combined with a sizable RAID array (Two 250GB drives in RAID0 will cover not only storage, but provide awesome speed), should ensure you won't run out of space *too* soon. Audio is covered by the Azalia Audio Standard, proving 96bit 7.1 Channel sound, so get yourself a semi decent set of speakers from Logitech and you'll be in Audiophile Heaven.
As far as periphirals, such as case, keyboard, mouse and monitor are concerned - well that's up to your own personal preference.

Haruka
October 14th, 2004, 11:18 AM
I don't have any knowledge of making my own computer, nor my parents do, and I am always conserned about spyware...

and I don't scan for spyware, because my pc is too slow... and also security holes. >_>

Kairi
October 14th, 2004, 12:17 PM
Spyware checkers—or the common ones anyways—don’t take long to check even on slow computers. Which from what you’ve told me, yours isn’t. If you’re not comfortable building one that’s fine, but you should at least patch and check for spyware semi-regularly. And I’m not quite sure how that would affect building it.

The main concern with building your own machine is you become the final support. If it crashes and you’ve tried everything, there’s no higher power to call like Dell or Gateway or whatever. It’s a pretty big responsibility and you’ve got to know what you’re doing.

As for monitors, my policy is "If it can't do 1600 x 1200 trash it"
*wants that reso* Keyboards=simpler the better I hate hate hate ones with “F lock” So annoying. Burr. Mice however need side back/forward buttons for me to touch them, and I’m using Logitech’s Mx500. ‘tis quite nice, and has served me well over the near year I’ve had it.

Haruka
October 14th, 2004, 12:50 PM
well, I am getting sick of windows every day... but I have to use it...

I am aiming myself to get a mac instead of a pc, because I am already fustrated how much security holes is in windows, alot of spyware (and sometimes spyware scanners can't detect them all), and also, my applications freezes alot too... (mainly due to a lack of memory) and I rarely use 1600x1200. It's too small and the small print hurt my eyes...

and DVD burners are expensive on the PC, I might need one because anime takes alot of room... X_X.....

I guess I will get a mac, then. ^_^ =p

Geometric-sama
October 17th, 2004, 06:01 PM
DVD burners for PC are actually really, really cheap now. Cheaper than CD burners were a few years back.

Not that I have one, my computer's way too slow o_O

Haruka
October 17th, 2004, 06:08 PM
Yes, but Windows has alot of security holes, and I have to pay for a virus scan to protect my machine..

I'm making a switch and get a mac instead with virual pc 7

and Macs are beautiful looking than pcs... >_>

Geometric-sama
October 17th, 2004, 08:14 PM
If that's a concern, yes, but you can get some REALLY cool-looking PCs. XD

Haruka
October 18th, 2004, 12:18 PM
Windows don't fansinate me anymore... >_>..

and they are expensive too....

and also, everyone find macs more better and faster than a 2.0 GHz PC..

=p... don't judge Macs by it's processors.... their processors speeds are different from PC speeds.

Geometric-sama
October 21st, 2004, 06:01 PM
Macs have different processors and work differently, and yes, they are fast; however, when you're talking about expense, you do realise that Macs are much, much more expensive than PCs?

Haruka
October 21st, 2004, 06:03 PM
Yes, I bought a Mac for 900 dollars a long time ago (it's expensive than the Desktop PC) but it's fast enough. =p...

but I want a iMac because I don't want to use gates software (don't mention it has alot of holes, spyware, unreilablity, not stable, harder to use, and etc.)

and also PC tends to go out to date very early than macs... and also...

a 1.6 GHz iMac is a equivent to a 3.20 GHz Pentium 4

Geometric-sama
October 21st, 2004, 08:39 PM
According to Apple's tests anyway XD.

I recommend having both kinds anyway, keep your old PC for testing purposes and that kind of thing, and for running stuff Macs don't like (even Virtual PCs can't handle some stuff).

aaaaaa
October 22nd, 2004, 02:17 AM
Apple are a bunch of liars. They throw about numbers about how much faster their CPU's are, but independant sources such as AtomicMPC prove them wrong time after time.
I don't buy from a company that lies to it's consumer base.

Haruka
October 22nd, 2004, 11:10 AM
>_>.... but I am not going to use windows anymore, nor linux..

It's too slow and unrealible... >_>...

and linux is too complicated and it doesn't work with my programs that I need. *sighs*

So, I am doing research before buying.... so I don't make the same mistake what I did with my current pc. ^_^.

Kairi
October 22nd, 2004, 06:31 PM
If you need something with broad compatibility with programs, that’s kind of Windows’s curse and blessing right there. x_o; There’s not much on a Mac you’d *need* over Windows, really. And if there was, you could always do PPC for the rare times you *needed* Mac software.

Buuuut, your money, your decision. Personally I’d build a PC, cept they haven’t gotten that much better since I got this one…wouldn’t be worth it at all for what I do, IMO. And I think you could get by just upgrading a few parts in yours.

Haruka
October 22nd, 2004, 06:43 PM
I said again, I am not going to build a computer..... nor my parents... I am just going to buy one...

and PearPC is very slow, I perfer a real Mac over a emulated one... I will figure out which one to buy, but it's not going to be a Dell... =p... ^_^...

Also, my computer don't have any AGP slot so I cannot upgrade my graphics card, and I cannot replace my harddrive because it's irreplaceable.

Hiroshi Sotomura
October 23rd, 2004, 02:00 PM
I've had a lot of success just with my 400MHz Power Mac G4. It ain't slow, and independant tests even prove the G4 Velocity Engine DOES dramatically increase Photoshop performance. So much for Photoshop? Even Macworld got a big fat fancy Windows PC and compared it with their own G5. No biased testing there, all we saw was a fast G5, doing very close but not as much as the Windows PC. Bleh, you can't always beat those 3.4 GHz models. ~_~;

If speed and great graphics is what you aim for, then a PC is your go. If you run for quality, and a reliable Operating System, then you can't go past an iMac G5 or eMac.

But then, I will go unbiased at your PC running situation.
According to trusty Macworld's Christopher Breen, he reckons you shouldn't go for emulation, but go for a real PC. He recommends getting both and using a KVM Switch to share them.

Haruka
October 23rd, 2004, 03:02 PM
1 thing, I don't play graphic entensive games.... =p....

I only do webmaster stuff and also computer graphics, but no graphic entensive games....

and I do suffer alot with windows... but I keep getting confused because this topic has some biased posts.... which making me confused....

~_~... I like macosx, it looks nice and runs great than windows xp, but I still have to use PCs, so I might get virtual pc..

I still have time for more research on the best choice. ^_^

Geometric-sama
October 24th, 2004, 05:20 AM
Getting both would be WAY too expensive anyway o_O...

Haruka
October 24th, 2004, 06:46 AM
>_>... Macs are expensive, but I bought a mac a long time ago and it cost 900 dollars for one...

and also 1200 (I think) for the 68k one.... o.o...

Hiroshi Sotomura
October 25th, 2004, 03:57 PM
Get a Mac and a KVM switch and use your current PC. Interexchangeability.

Haruka
October 25th, 2004, 05:32 PM
What is a KVM switch... o.o.... *confused*....

Kairi
October 25th, 2004, 06:18 PM
Keyboard, video, mouse. It basically switches all these things between two boxes. So like, you can use the same mouse, monitor, and keyboard at your desk to control two different machines. That way you don’t have to move to another spot to use them, and you don’t have to buy an extra set.

Haruka
October 25th, 2004, 06:30 PM
but, wouldn't emulation would be slow. ~_~....

and it uses alot of bandwidth.

Kairi
October 25th, 2004, 06:35 PM
…o_O Are we on the same page here? I’m not talking about emulating different architectures, just using the same peripherals. What S-kun is suggesting is you keep your CURRENT PC and get a new Mac, or whatever and share the peripherals between them. You’d have both boxes and they’d run independently.

Haruka
October 25th, 2004, 06:47 PM
yes, but isn't KVM uses alot of bandwidth just like Remote Desktop Connection?

Thomas
October 25th, 2004, 06:50 PM
DELL ALL THE WAY!!!!! PICK THE DELL!!! I just got one in April and I have had zero proplems with it, and it is was the 2400! You are getting top of the line so It will be your perfect computer!!!

Haruka
October 25th, 2004, 06:54 PM
NO MORE DELLS... I'm sick of them... I have problems with their fans already.... and graphics card..

I'm never getting a dell... =p... I'm getting a hewlett-packard or a apple computer. ^_^

Thomas
October 25th, 2004, 07:06 PM
Well then I think you should get a HP. I am a PC fan all the way. I cannot stand mac. I NEED THE RIGHT CLICK BUTTON! Cmon who is with me?

Hiroshi Sotomura
October 25th, 2004, 07:07 PM
KVM Switch Related: Be sure to get one with USB Ports or they won't work on the Mac...

amphros23: She DOES NOT want a PC anymore. She wants a Mac.

*holds up a Right-click button on a mouse he uses on his Mac*

Haruka
October 25th, 2004, 07:12 PM
KVM seems to be complicated... how much will it cost, and will it worth it vs. buying virtual pc for mac?

Hiroshi Sotomura
October 25th, 2004, 07:16 PM
Well for one, Virtual PC is SLOW.

You can see KVM switches for your needs here: http://www.kvm-switches-online.com/
Plus, it saves you trouble from buying other things or multiple installations.

KVM switches are like Networking. They don't slow the networking, since they use the port it's connected to (USB, Firewire, Serial, etc.). BANDWIDTH? No no, the KVM switch is doing all the work.

Haruka
October 25th, 2004, 07:22 PM
KVM seems to me is very complicated... alot of wires... augh...... and I have to run my noisy dell...

X_X... but I used virtual pc on windows and it works faster than vmware... but is it the same case on the mac. o.o...

Hiroshi Sotomura
October 25th, 2004, 07:27 PM
Should be similar with Virtual PC 7, since it's on the G5 processor which VPC7 is optimized for.

Thomas
October 25th, 2004, 08:00 PM
*astonished* Mac gave in to the right click phenomenon! I should have bought one! I really wanted on of those new Mac Notebooks!

Hiroshi Sotomura
October 26th, 2004, 01:21 AM
Well you actually have to guy a mouse with one. use an existing USB mouse or something. =P

Thomas
October 26th, 2004, 12:18 PM
I really meant the function of the right click...it gives you a quick menu like copy, paste, properties...etc, but it dont matter I still like my dell.

Hakura good luck on finding a good Mac

Haruka
October 26th, 2004, 01:05 PM
Well, to do a right click (comand (apple key)+ click).

I used macs before, so I would know. ^_^

Geometric-sama
October 26th, 2004, 07:13 PM
Anthony has a MAC? That changes a whole lot of opinions I had about you Anthony :P

Hiroshi Sotomura
October 27th, 2004, 04:41 AM
J_A: I thought you knew. I thought you also knew I was running on my P4 3.2 GHz right now. >=)

Haruka
October 27th, 2004, 03:49 PM
Why did you switch to a PC? o.o...

I lothe them... >_>...

Geometric-sama
October 28th, 2004, 07:50 PM
*drools* P4.... I wanna P4.... (733 Celeron anyone? XD)

No, Anthony-chan, I didn't even know you have two computers... lucky.

Hiroshi Sotomura
October 28th, 2004, 11:20 PM
Haruka: It's spelt "loathe". I've been doing multiplatforming for a long time, and it's essential for my web page testing. Even though I needed a real Windows box because I couldn't stick to en Emulation.

J_A: I should have told you. Datn!

Haruka
October 29th, 2004, 12:38 PM
hmmm.. You using KVM then? o.o....

I am satsfied with Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 Speed. ^_^... maybe I will buy it for the mac. ^_^