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Bloothump
May 13th, 2010, 06:17 PM
Personally, I say yes. But a few things have to happen first. While it'd be ideal if they got rid of Ash all together, it's obvious that won't happen, so here's a list of the five things, imo, that the anime should do to become watchable once again.

#5
Let's get rid of Brock. His character is not very funny. Maybe if he could be a bit more perverted, the character would work, but because it's more of a kid's show, that can't happen. In my eyes, brock was supposed to be the cliche "pervert" character, but they then decided to aim the anime towards a younger audience, and brock became more of a hopeless romantic. Also, breeder isn't a significant enough class to be a full blown character.

#4
The new character classes should be contest star, and either two trainers or a trainer (Ash) and a pokeathlete. And the girl character should not be the contest star. In DP, Dawn pretty much sucks at battling and does well at contest. It's almost as if they're conveying the message that girls can't be strong or tough, but it's fine if they get all dressed up and put on a show. The males who do contests are often effeminate as well.

#3
Ash can't be as cool as he has been in the past. It seems like the past couple gens Ash steps into the new region and automatically is better than those around him. It's really annoying, especially when it comes to the female character. Female character fails at life, Ash helps, she gets better. I understand Ash has experience, and the female character is usually a new trainer, but the message "A woman is nothing without man" is still conveyed, or at least to me it is. When Ash arrives on the scene, let the female character already have her poke, and let her battle with Ash and beat him. It'd be nice if he could be shown some humility for once.

#2
More spectacle! The battles have gotten sooooooo boring. It's command, attack, command, attack, etc. etc. over. I understand that's how the game works, but it doesn't captivate your attention in a show. It's okay to have commands, but let the pokes move freely a bit! Also, the battles need to be bigger! And I don't mean explosions, there's too many of those. I mean, let the pokes jump high, hit eachother into the ground, and create a crater from the impact! Make them seem at least dangerous. Because right now, the characters say wild pokemon are dengerous, when really, all it'll do is bite you or peck at your head. That's what normal animals do. If you've seen Soul Eater, that's kind of what I'm talking about, Not the blood, just the awesome acrobatic style of fighting.

#1!
Make it more story driven! Right now, every episode is just Ash and co. helping some random stranger out. Focus more on action and less on doing good deeds for people you don't even know. And frankly, it's quite annoying having to meet two new characters every. single. episode. This means less team rocket too, they're entertaining on occasion. But now, every plan of theirs is the same, and they appear every episode. More tense, climactic, story driven episodes will help this show a lot. Multi episode quests, you know what I mean.

Now, what do you think the anime should do to become entertaining again?

Eeohnex
May 13th, 2010, 09:35 PM
#2
More spectacle! The battles have gotten sooooooo boring. It's command, attack, command, attack, etc. etc. over. I understand that's how the game works, but it doesn't captivate your attention in a show. It's okay to have commands, but let the pokes move freely a bit! Also, the battles need to be bigger! And I don't mean explosions, there's too many of those. I mean, let the pokes jump high, hit eachother into the ground, and create a crater from the impact! Make them seem at least dangerous. Because right now, the characters say wild pokemon are dengerous, when really, all it'll do is bite you or peck at your head. That's what normal animals do. If you've seen Soul Eater, that's kind of what I'm talking about, Not the blood, just the awesome acrobatic style of fighting.

This + they should make the battles a little bit more interesting, have different strategies when it comes to battling a certain type of Pokémon etc.

RYOUKI
May 14th, 2010, 01:15 AM
I doubt that it would. If they didn't redeemed themselves on the 4th gen, it won't happen in the 5th. But, hey. Maybe the Female Protagonist will be a hot-head and be the opposite of Ash's female companion so far and actually be a competition, a threat and also a main character. There's one thing I'd want them to improve. Don't re-use the storyline! What happened in the first season, can't be the storyline for the 4th!

loliwin
May 14th, 2010, 02:13 AM
I think it has the ability to redeem itself, prolly cause Ash might possibly hang out with a teenager. :O lol
And I agree with #1, they take forever to get to one city to the next for me. :(

Ataraxia
May 14th, 2010, 04:48 AM
I doubt it.

1st season and 3rd (Kanto and Johto I think) were ok, cheesy, but withstandable.
Now its an amazing feat of strength and fortitude to get through one episode. But then again, theres something about the anime that just makes you want to keep watching, despite all the ridiculous ideas/lines etc the characters have.

PkMnTrainer Yellow
May 14th, 2010, 05:04 AM
#5
Let's get rid of Brock. His character is not very funny. Maybe if he could be a bit more perverted, the character would work, but because it's more of a kid's show, that can't happen. In my eyes, brock was supposed to be the cliche "pervert" character, but they then decided to aim the anime towards a younger audience, and brock became more of a hopeless romantic. Also, breeder isn't a significant enough class to be a full blown character.

I honestly don't think this is very important to the show redeeming itself. In fact I'd bet there are some people that would be very sad to see Brock go.


#4
The new character classes should be contest star, and either two trainers or a trainer (Ash) and a pokeathlete. And the girl character should not be the contest star. In DP, Dawn pretty much sucks at battling and does well at contest. It's almost as if they're conveying the message that girls can't be strong or tough, but it's fine if they get all dressed up and put on a show. The males who do contests are often effeminate as well.

I see this too. I think it could be a reasonably good idea to put your idea to use. Just as long as they don't overdo it too much. Last thing the show needs is a bunch of teens/kids feeling threatened by an overkill level of girl power. Lawl


#3
Ash can't be as cool as he has been in the past. It seems like the past couple gens Ash steps into the new region and automatically is better than those around him. It's really annoying, especially when it comes to the female character. Female character fails at life, Ash helps, she gets better. I understand Ash has experience, and the female character is usually a new trainer, but the message "A woman is nothing without man" is still conveyed, or at least to me it is. When Ash arrives on the scene, let the female character already have her poke, and let her battle with Ash and beat him. It'd be nice if he could be shown some humility for once.


He's also over 6 years older than new starting trainers these days. (Ash is 16.5 during 4th gen) Something has to give >o< I mean really, come 5th gen he's going to have to be almost 18, and if he's still going to be hanging around 10 year old girls... yeaaaah... I can see that becoming awkward. Just think of the poor shippers! They'd have nothing to work with!


#2
More spectacle! The battles have gotten sooooooo boring. It's command, attack, command, attack, etc. etc. over. I understand that's how the game works, but it doesn't captivate your attention in a show. It's okay to have commands, but let the pokes move freely a bit! Also, the battles need to be bigger! And I don't mean explosions, there's too many of those. I mean, let the pokes jump high, hit eachother into the ground, and create a crater from the impact! Make them seem at least dangerous. Because right now, the characters say wild pokemon are dengerous, when really, all it'll do is bite you or peck at your head. That's what normal animals do. If you've seen Soul Eater, that's kind of what I'm talking about, Not the blood, just the awesome acrobatic style of fighting.


While spectacle would be good, I think flying around in impossibly high jumps and leaving craters in the ground is a DBZ-esque cliche. I think there are far better ways they could use spectacle. Perhaps they simply need to stray from the game-style of battling.


#1!
Make it more story driven! Right now, every episode is just Ash and co. helping some random stranger out. Focus more on action and less on doing good deeds for people you don't even know. And frankly, it's quite annoying having to meet two new characters every. single. episode. This means less team rocket too, they're entertaining on occasion. But now, every plan of theirs is the same, and they appear every episode. More tense, climactic, story driven episodes will help this show a lot. Multi episode quests, you know what I mean.

Yes. There is never a show that couldn't benefit from this. *Le sigh*

Crystal Glaceon
May 14th, 2010, 06:24 AM
#4
The new character classes should be contest star, and either two trainers or a trainer (Ash) and a pokeathlete. And the girl character should not be the contest star. In DP, Dawn pretty much sucks at battling and does well at contest. It's almost as if they're conveying the message that girls can't be strong or tough, but it's fine if they get all dressed up and put on a show. The males who do contests are often effeminate as well.
^this.
Also lets see pikachu do something other than Iron tail and Volt tackle. Please? oh and could we have team rocket back to their former glory?

Kirbychu
May 14th, 2010, 08:34 AM
^this.oh and could we have team rocket back to their former glory?
Are you referring to their debut episode, the only episode they weren't comic relief?

Vernikova
May 14th, 2010, 01:14 PM
It's been a while since I forced my opinion on someone. Good old days.

.#5
Let's get rid of Brock. His character is not very funny. Maybe if he could be a bit more perverted, the character would work, but because it's more of a kid's show, that can't happen. In my eyes, brock was supposed to be the cliche "pervert" character, but they then decided to aim the anime towards a younger audience, and brock became more of a hopeless romantic. Also, breeder isn't a significant enough class to be a full blown character.

In your opinion, he isn't very funny. We have to understand that the people that this show is targeted to most likely have never seen Brock in their lives and find him fresh because of that. I also don't see how Pokémon Breeder isn't a signifiant enough class either. It's just the writers don't focus on him since the other two main characters (Ash & Dawn) have to take that spotlight. Why? They'd have to be focusing on four different plots at the same time if they made Brock more significant.

#4
The new character classes should be contest star, and either two trainers or a trainer (Ash) and a pokeathlete. And the girl character should not be the contest star. In DP, Dawn pretty much sucks at battling and does well at contest. It's almost as if they're conveying the message that girls can't be strong or tough, but it's fine if they get all dressed up and put on a show. The males who do contests are often effeminate as well.

I doubt that every character on the hero main cast will have an individual plot that would be focused on throughout an entire saga. I think that at most two of the main heroes, as always, will have their goals focused on while the rest of Co. does their best to not do anything.

Also, Pokémon Contests are supposed to be aimed at girls so it would only be expected that May & Dawn participated in it and not Brendan & Lucas.

#3
Ash can't be as cool as he has been in the past. It seems like the past couple gens Ash steps into the new region and automatically is better than those around him. It's really annoying, especially when it comes to the female character. Female character fails at life, Ash helps, she gets better. I understand Ash has experience, and the female character is usually a new trainer, but the message "A woman is nothing without man" is still conveyed, or at least to me it is. When Ash arrives on the scene, let the female character already have her poke, and let her battle with Ash and beat him. It'd be nice if he could be shown some humility for once.

Automatically better? He lost tied with Paul and lost to Roark and Gardenia when he first challenged them. This especially is because of the fact that he captures new Pokémon whenever he arrives in a new region. How is that message even brought up? It's clearly just a "Teacher teaches student" message brought up here. How does one even come up with that idea?

#2
More spectacle! The battles have gotten sooooooo boring. It's command, attack, command, attack, etc. etc. over. I understand that's how the game works, but it doesn't captivate your attention in a show. It's okay to have commands, but let the pokes move freely a bit! Also, the battles need to be bigger! And I don't mean explosions, there's too many of those. I mean, let the pokes jump high, hit eachother into the ground, and create a crater from the impact! Make them seem at least dangerous. Because right now, the characters say wild pokemon are dengerous, when really, all it'll do is bite you or peck at your head. That's what normal animals do. If you've seen Soul Eater, that's kind of what I'm talking about, Not the blood, just the awesome acrobatic style of fighting.

First of all, Soul Eater has a much bigger animation budget than Pokémon does. You can see this in Pokémon movies as well. Anyway, Pokémon battles are clearly just meant to be a fun sport and not put the Pokémon in any actual danger. This is supported by the fact that it's constantly mentioned that Pokémon Trainers should know when to forfeit a battle and that they should protect and be friends with their Pokémon.

#1!
Make it more story driven! Right now, every episode is just Ash and co. helping some random stranger out. Focus more on action and less on doing good deeds for people you don't even know. And frankly, it's quite annoying having to meet two new characters every. single. episode. This means less team rocket too, they're entertaining on occasion. But now, every plan of theirs is the same, and they appear every episode. More tense, climactic, story driven episodes will help this show a lot. Multi episode quests, you know what I mean.

Many episodes in Diamond & Pearl aren't actual filler episodes. I also think a lot of the fillers have been rather fun but whatever.

Now, what do you think the anime should do to become entertaining again?

I think it redeemed itself in the Advanced Generation.

and also a main character

May and Dawn are main characters.

He's also over 6 years older than new starting trainers these days. (Ash is 16.5 during 4th gen) Something has to give >o< I mean really, come 5th gen he's going to have to be almost 18, and if he's still going to be hanging around 10 year old girls... yeaaaah... I can see that becoming awkward. Just think of the poor shippers! They'd have nothing to work with!

Ash is still ten.

Yeah . . . .

Izanagi
May 14th, 2010, 01:28 PM
Well, here are some things I would personally change to make the show better.

Raise the demographic
It’s possible to make a show that is as appealing to a younger audience as it is an older one. Just look at shows like Avatar: the Last Airbender and the likes. You don’t have to stoop the show down to the levels of Dora the Explorer and all that jazz.

Better travelling partners
Brock is fine. I like his role as the “one sane guy” in the group (if he’s still playing that role. Haven’t watched recent episodes). But characters like Dawn, May, and Max are inexcusable. They’re just ANNOYING. Especially Max, one of the worst things I’ve seen on my television. And how about a female partner that wouldn’t make fans start crafting ships? Is it so hard for Ash and the girl to not have their flirty moments? It’s really starting to make Ash look like a sleezball or something, playing all of these girls. Next thing you know he’ll be saying stuff like, “I’ve got hoes in different area codes”.

More development between Ash and Pikachu
I know they’ve been buddies for years now, but I feel like Ash and Pikachu clicked too quick. By the third episode way back in Kanto, they were BFF’s. Now, there hasn’t been a single episode to really develop their relationship besides the occasional episode every 100 episodes or so, which usually is just about a rival with a Raichu, or a training montage to overcome a difficult Gym Leader. I’d like to know more about my heroes, please.

About filler…
I’m not gonna complain. I hate a lot of the “Characters-of-the-Days” but, really, they have to fill the 3 ½ year gap between generations with something.

tikki
May 14th, 2010, 05:05 PM
I'm a big fan of the original pokemon. The anime has just gotten so smarmy lately, it's like a big smarm sandwich with smarm dressing. What bugs me most is that all the characters are interchangeable. Any line could be said by any one of them, and it wouldn't change a thing; they've become a like a sticky gum Frankenstein, one big blob of character traits that they rarely if ever deviate from. I loved when the female protag was a hot headed, fire cracker sweetheart with a big attitude; and Brock was silly and playful (because he had to take care of his little siblings?) and fell over any pretty girl because he was just so flattering and extroverted; and when Ash wasn't the epitome of a perfect trainer, he was just a kid with giant dreams and his head in the clouds and kind of a dork, because every kid could identify with that. I guess they all had to experience character growth, but the growth has stopped because the franchise has lived on, I think. If I were the boss, I would put the poor show out if its misery. All the creativity has been replaced by flashy attacks and sparkly contests and the generic theme of bland, easily-won heroism. But I'm probably just an old die-hard, reminiscing on those halcyon days when I would run to my bedroom after school every day just in time to watch "Tower of Terror" or "Pokemon Shipwreck", and when James didn't sound like he had a nasty sinus infection. So I guess what I'm saying is that I doubt the 5th generation will be any better than the last, because the characters have nowhere to go but downhill anymore.

Lunamewtwo
May 14th, 2010, 05:08 PM
I'd like to see a lot more strategy and complexity, like in the manga. Battles in the anime now are like you said, command and attack. I'd like to see more uniqueness.

CakeForTheSoul
May 14th, 2010, 09:29 PM
1. What kills me is the fact that Pikachu,No offense to anyone who like Pikachu, is that they make Pikachu seem like it can destroy every type of pokemon (most of the time) with Thunderbolt or an Electric move.

2. That and in the First and Second Gen Ash got all 3 Starters. In 3rd they Each main character got one (Ex.Max but then again He befriended Deoxys and Jarachi and other pokemon).But in the Forth Gen Brock got left out which is a good thing in my opinion because there now evolving all the starters.Except for Dawn which again is basically saying what dude is saying up in the first post.

Azumi
May 15th, 2010, 03:57 PM
the anime should do to become watchable once again.

The show is targeted at kids (if you insist, Japanese kids). Why should they ever do anything to appeal to the older generation?

#5
Let's get rid of Brock. His character is not very funny. Maybe if he could be a bit more perverted, the character would work, but because it's more of a kid's show, that can't happen. In my eyes, brock was supposed to be the cliche "pervert" character, but they then decided to aim the anime towards a younger audience, and brock became more of a hopeless romantic. Also, breeder isn't a significant enough class to be a full blown character.

See, you said it was a kid's show yourself.
Besides, there are new kids watching this show. Brock's new to them.

#4
The new character classes should be contest star, and either two trainers or a trainer (Ash) and a pokeathlete. And the girl character should not be the contest star. In DP, Dawn pretty much sucks at battling and does well at contest. It's almost as if they're conveying the message that girls can't be strong or tough, but it's fine if they get all dressed up and put on a show. The males who do contests are often effeminate as well.


Coordinator is enough, why do we need a contest star? If the character is a contest star, does it mean (s)he'll be winning every contest she's in? That's gonna be boring.

FYI Dawn doesn't suck in battles. Did you even WATCH the episodes? Did you, in case, watch the tag battles?
Same for May. Yes, I don't remember seeing her have trainer battles, but the contests weren't as elegant and frilly as you think. Like the battle against Drew.

#3
Ash can't be as cool as he has been in the past. It seems like the past couple gens Ash steps into the new region and automatically is better than those around him. It's really annoying, especially when it comes to the female character. Female character fails at life, Ash helps, she gets better. I understand Ash has experience, and the female character is usually a new trainer, but the message "A woman is nothing without man" is still conveyed, or at least to me it is. When Ash arrives on the scene, let the female character already have her poke, and let her battle with Ash and beat him. It'd be nice if he could be shown some humility for once.

I begin to worry if you have EVER watched the episodes at all. Do you remember Paul for instance? Do you remember how Ash lost to Roark and Gardenia, and if we count her, Fantina?

We had that male newbie who wanted to catch a Yanma. Ash stepped in to help. (With Dawn and Brock, but still.) Your point?

#2
More spectacle! The battles have gotten sooooooo boring. It's command, attack, command, attack, etc. etc. over. I understand that's how the game works, but it doesn't captivate your attention in a show. It's okay to have commands, but let the pokes move freely a bit! Also, the battles need to be bigger! And I don't mean explosions, there's too many of those. I mean, let the pokes jump high, hit eachother into the ground, and create a crater from the impact! Make them seem at least dangerous. Because right now, the characters say wild pokemon are dengerous, when really, all it'll do is bite you or peck at your head. That's what normal animals do. If you've seen Soul Eater, that's kind of what I'm talking about, Not the blood, just the awesome acrobatic style of fighting.


Let your Pokemon move freely a bit? Are you kidding me? Your Pokemon should trust in your commands, and you should trust the Pokemon in delivering. Any other unnecessary "free"time means your Pokemon doesn't trust you, and you are in for big trouble then.

If the battles are dangerous, you are endangering your Pokemon, your partner and your friend. Forfeit as soon as possible.

#1!
Make it more story driven! Right now, every episode is just Ash and co. helping some random stranger out. Focus more on action and less on doing good deeds for people you don't even know. And frankly, it's quite annoying having to meet two new characters every. single. episode. This means less team rocket too, they're entertaining on occasion. But now, every plan of theirs is the same, and they appear every episode. More tense, climactic, story driven episodes will help this show a lot. Multi episode quests, you know what I mean.


This isn't the games. When you're in real life, do you expect yourself to be able to get to the other city in an HOUR? I like it that they take a little realism and also mix a little from games.
Do you see the trainers in the routes? Take them as the filler characters and you'll see what I mean.

Now, what do you think the anime should do to become entertaining again?

To you? No thanks. The series is flawed, but we're not the target audience. Suck it up and live with it.

Vernikova
May 15th, 2010, 06:23 PM
2. That and in the First and Second Gen Ash got all 3 Starters. In 3rd they Each main character got one (Ex.Max but then again He befriended Deoxys and Jarachi and other pokemon).But in the Forth Gen Brock got left out which is a good thing in my opinion because there now evolving all the starters.Except for Dawn which again is basically saying what dude is saying up in the first post.

How does that say anything?

Especially considering the fact that Dawn is in the Finals of the Grand Festival, with a good chance of winning, while Ash hasn't even gotten in the Top 4 in any of the regional Pokémon Leagues yet.

FreakyLocz14
May 15th, 2010, 06:52 PM
Personally, I say yes. But a few things have to happen first. While it'd be ideal if they got rid of Ash all together, it's obvious that won't happen, so here's a list of the five things, imo, that the anime should do to become watchable once again.

#5
Let's get rid of Brock. His character is not very funny. Maybe if he could be a bit more perverted, the character would work, but because it's more of a kid's show, that can't happen. In my eyes, brock was supposed to be the cliche "pervert" character, but they then decided to aim the anime towards a younger audience, and brock became more of a hopeless romantic. Also, breeder isn't a significant enough class to be a full blown character.

The Original and Johto series were more mature. Brock was a pervert and that's what made him funny. Although the show was aimed at kids I still find that it used to be more mature than it is now. Topics like death, attraction between main characters, cross-dressing, some sexual innuendo, etc. made the original anime more mature.

#4
The new character classes should be contest star, and either two trainers or a trainer (Ash) and a pokeathlete. And the girl character should not be the contest star. In DP, Dawn pretty much sucks at battling and does well at contest. It's almost as if they're conveying the message that girls can't be strong or tough, but it's fine if they get all dressed up and put on a show. The males who do contests are often effeminate as well.

I think the Poke-thon will replace contests.

#3
Ash can't be as cool as he has been in the past. It seems like the past couple gens Ash steps into the new region and automatically is better than those around him. It's really annoying, especially when it comes to the female character. Female character fails at life, Ash helps, she gets better. I understand Ash has experience, and the female character is usually a new trainer, but the message "A woman is nothing without man" is still conveyed, or at least to me it is. When Ash arrives on the scene, let the female character already have her poke, and let her battle with Ash and beat him. It'd be nice if he could be shown some humility for once.

We need a girl like Misty. She wasn't a beginning trainer she was the Cerulean Gym Leader.

#2
More spectacle! The battles have gotten sooooooo boring. It's command, attack, command, attack, etc. etc. over. I understand that's how the game works, but it doesn't captivate your attention in a show. It's okay to have commands, but let the pokes move freely a bit! Also, the battles need to be bigger! And I don't mean explosions, there's too many of those. I mean, let the pokes jump high, hit eachother into the ground, and create a crater from the impact! Make them seem at least dangerous. Because right now, the characters say wild pokemon are dengerous, when really, all it'll do is bite you or peck at your head. That's what normal animals do. If you've seen Soul Eater, that's kind of what I'm talking about, Not the blood, just the awesome acrobatic style of fighting.

Also need moar of Ash making stuff up. Thunder Armor and "aim for the horn!" ftw!

#1!
Make it more story driven! Right now, every episode is just Ash and co. helping some random stranger out. Focus more on action and less on doing good deeds for people you don't even know. And frankly, it's quite annoying having to meet two new characters every. single. episode. This means less team rocket too, they're entertaining on occasion. But now, every plan of theirs is the same, and they appear every episode. More tense, climactic, story driven episodes will help this show a lot. Multi episode quests, you know what I mean.

They let the story drag on too much I agree. In the original series Ash progressed through the Kanto Leauge rather quickly now it's like over a dozen episodes in-between Gym battles.

Now, what do you think the anime should do to become entertaining again?

Those are my thoughts. Disagree oif you wish.

Vernikova
May 15th, 2010, 07:24 PM
Yay, I get to argue with someone. I was getting a little bored honestly.

The Original and Johto series were more mature. Brock was a pervert and that's what made him funny. Although the show was aimed at kids I still find that it used to be more mature than it is now. Topics like death, attraction between main characters, cross-dressing, some sexual innuendo, etc. made the original anime more mature.

A lot of what you said there was just added for comedy. Some of the things such as death are still present in the animé today. The "attraction between main characters" thing doesn't make anything mature either. What the hell were you trying to get at there? And cross-dressing doesn't make anything mature either. As for your sexual innuendo part, those were few and far in between. They were practically done away with when Johto began.

Also need moar of Ash making stuff up. Thunder Armor and "aim for the horn!" ftw!

They've come up with pretty inventive things in Dinmond & Pearl for both Ash and dawn sch that spin technique, that counter shirld, Flame Ice, etc.

They let the story drag on too much I agree. In the original series Ash progressed through the Kanto Leauge rather quickly now it's like over a dozen episodes in-between Gym battles.

Kanto was originally supposed to be 80-something episodes and even then they had a 25 episode gap between Koga and Blaine. Johto had a horrendous gap between Whitney and Morty (22 spisodes) and Morty and Jasmine (26 episodes).

DXrobots
May 15th, 2010, 08:12 PM
Heres an Idea lets end the series all together and start a brand new pokemon series following new characters in generation 5 yet still having some ties to the originals. Why not have say Gary become a professor in the new series and have him hand out the starters to the generation of heroes, and have brock and misty become new gym leaders in the new region and have ash play the role as champion or something.

Mr.Crowley
May 15th, 2010, 09:33 PM
The only way it can "redeem" itself in the eyes of many grown fans, is to stop trying to appeal to the new young generations, and go back to the roots and become more "teen" friendly as an anime. Right now it's too mushy for any 16 year old or older to take any interest in, for all the obvious reasons stated above. It would need a darker plot, a higher animation budget and some bad ass character concepts to "redeem" itself.


But that's just my two cents.

Shorty-
May 16th, 2010, 12:04 AM
Honestly, Bring Team Rocket bacccck. They are hilarious. Luv em.

PearlShipper4Life
May 16th, 2010, 10:10 AM
So let me get this right, you want Ash who has been here forever be on equal grounds as the newbie kid who just arrived? Really? I say make Ash more powerful. He's been here forever, what kind of person wants him to go back to being a less powerful kind of guy? Than fans would complain about how weak he's become, come on. D/P has already done this, do expect Ash to be like this every generation? I've been fine with D/P I've liked all the twists and turns they've taken. Now if they really do have Ash travel with teens next Generation, than I'd understand cuz the guy would have been traveling around longer than Ash even. However, newbie kid? No, just no. Now I would like it if Dawn stayed but that's unlikely, better way to improve the series is have the new girl do some thing different, I'm tired of each new girl doing contests, I say switch it up. Than we can have the guys do contests, so we don't have to get rid of them. I mean there are guys that do them, Kenny and Drew and Harley and Nando. Why can't a male main character do them?

Evee dude86
May 16th, 2010, 04:25 PM
1. MORE GARY!
2. Pikachu FINALLY evolves, mainstay my ass.....
3. MORE MATURE, Im tired of this constant appeal 2 the new yunger generation UGH, we need blood, cussin, skin, darker bad ass characters, etc

Pityflame
May 16th, 2010, 04:32 PM
Personally, I say yes. But a few things have to happen first. While it'd be ideal if they got rid of Ash all together, it's obvious that won't happen, so here's a list of the five things, imo, that the anime should do to become watchable once again.

#5
Let's get rid of Brock. His character is not very funny. Maybe if he could be a bit more perverted, the character would work, but because it's more of a kid's show, that can't happen. In my eyes, brock was supposed to be the cliche "pervert" character, but they then decided to aim the anime towards a younger audience, and brock became more of a hopeless romantic. Also, breeder isn't a significant enough class to be a full blown character.

#4
The new character classes should be contest star, and either two trainers or a trainer (Ash) and a pokeathlete. And the girl character should not be the contest star. In DP, Dawn pretty much sucks at battling and does well at contest. It's almost as if they're conveying the message that girls can't be strong or tough, but it's fine if they get all dressed up and put on a show. The males who do contests are often effeminate as well.

#3
Ash can't be as cool as he has been in the past. It seems like the past couple gens Ash steps into the new region and automatically is better than those around him. It's really annoying, especially when it comes to the female character. Female character fails at life, Ash helps, she gets better. I understand Ash has experience, and the female character is usually a new trainer, but the message "A woman is nothing without man" is still conveyed, or at least to me it is. When Ash arrives on the scene, let the female character already have her poke, and let her battle with Ash and beat him. It'd be nice if he could be shown some humility for once.

#2
More spectacle! The battles have gotten sooooooo boring. It's command, attack, command, attack, etc. etc. over. I understand that's how the game works, but it doesn't captivate your attention in a show. It's okay to have commands, but let the pokes move freely a bit! Also, the battles need to be bigger! And I don't mean explosions, there's too many of those. I mean, let the pokes jump high, hit eachother into the ground, and create a crater from the impact! Make them seem at least dangerous. Because right now, the characters say wild pokemon are dengerous, when really, all it'll do is bite you or peck at your head. That's what normal animals do. If you've seen Soul Eater, that's kind of what I'm talking about, Not the blood, just the awesome acrobatic style of fighting.

#1!
Make it more story driven! Right now, every episode is just Ash and co. helping some random stranger out. Focus more on action and less on doing good deeds for people you don't even know. And frankly, it's quite annoying having to meet two new characters every. single. episode. This means less team rocket too, they're entertaining on occasion. But now, every plan of theirs is the same, and they appear every episode. More tense, climactic, story driven episodes will help this show a lot. Multi episode quests, you know what I mean.

Now, what do you think the anime should do to become entertaining again?
Hey guys! Let's turn pokemon into Dragon Ball Z!

Guy
May 16th, 2010, 06:20 PM
3. MORE MATURE, Im tired of this constant appeal 2 the new yunger generation UGH, we need blood, cussin, skin, darker bad ass characters, etc
I doubt the use of foul language, bloodshed, and other various relations would redeem the anime. Nor would I think it would actually ever happen, unless they created a spin-off of the anime soley for adult viewers.

I do agree though that the anime should grow to an extent where it can interest its remaining older viewers. I'd think this would increase the popularity of the show and help build it as far as fan base goes. A change in pattern would also help. Make the show less predictable and keep viewers at the edge of their seats wanting to keep watching. A deeper plot and more intell on things would be best. Keep the show to its roots, but mix things up in a way where it doesn't get old too quickly.

With this, I think the anime would go right back on track, and move forward from there.

RivalGator
May 16th, 2010, 07:00 PM
1. MORE GARY!
2. Pikachu FINALLY evolves, mainstay my ass.....
3. MORE MATURE, Im tired of this constant appeal 2 the new yunger generation UGH, we need blood, cussin, skin, darker bad ass characters, etc

Actually, I agree AND disagree.

1.) Yes, but they already screwed Gary up. So I think they should bring in Silver for a change. He should have had his debut LONG ago but for some reason they did Johto weird and he never appeared. Or maybe even Masky!
2.) Pikachu doesn't need to evolve. He needs to DIE.
3.) I don't believe it has to be THAT wild. Now it would be awesome if it was, I'll say that, but I want it to be more like... Well, the manga portrays it. And now, I'm not a huge fan of the manga, I hate what they did to Silver, but I love it for it's violence and threats and stuff. I want to see Arbok get slashed in half, Pokemon bodies rot away, I even liked how the Masked Man actually threatened to end the lives of two children. THAT is what I want to see in Pokemon. More seriousness. Definitely darker. More evil.

Evee dude86
May 16th, 2010, 07:11 PM
Actually, I agree AND disagree.

1.) Yes, but they already screwed Gary up. So I think they should bring in Silver for a change. He should have had his debut LONG ago but for some reason they did Johto weird and he never appeared. Or maybe even Masky!
2.) Pikachu doesn't need to evolve. He needs to DIE.
3.) I don't believe it has to be THAT wild. Now it would be awesome if it was, I'll say that, but I want it to be more like... Well, the manga portrays it. And now, I'm not a huge fan of the manga, I hate what they did to Silver, but I love it for it's violence and threats and stuff. I want to see Arbok get slashed in half, Pokemon bodies rot away, I even liked how the Masked Man actually threatened to end the lives of two children. THAT is what I want to see in Pokemon. More seriousness. Definitely darker. More evil.

1. U right, sumhow he got shorter.....and they royally screwed his voice up. But he jus always been my favorite character, awesome Pkmn, USED 2 have a cool swag, etc. I jus dont wanna see em written out totally.......

2. LOL I feel u, but I remember it being theorized that the reason Pikachu is so "special" is that he wuz already LV 70 when Ash got em, so IF he did finally evolve into the awesome Riachu, he very well cud b the strongest 1 of his species ever, and that wud make Ash less sissy by affiliation.

3. Agreed, nothin ever dies, and that's jus retarded lol I want more bad ass realism.

RivalGator
May 16th, 2010, 07:17 PM
1. U right, sumhow he got shorter.....and they royally screwed his voice up. But he jus always been my favorite character, awesome Pkmn, USED 2 have a cool swag, etc. I jus dont wanna see em written out totally.......

2. LOL I feel u, but I remember it being theorized that the reason Pikachu is so "special" is that he wuz already LV 70 when Ash got em, so IF he did finally evolve into the awesome Riachu, he very well cud b the strongest 1 of his species ever, and that wud make Ash less sissy by affiliation.

3. Agreed, nothin ever dies, and that's jus retarded lol I want more bad ass realism.

Yeah, when I saw what they did to Gary I was actually quite shocked. I mean, as much as I love Saturn, Gary could have wiped the FLOOR with his butt. But Gary for some reason decided to stop training and do other things. I was a bit shocked and angry about this. It seems like everyone from the original series decided to grow up and do more mature things and Ash is the only one still going.

I think Ash needs to let that thing go. I'm tired of Pikachu being, like, a god mod. Like, in the first movie, Pikachu uses a simple thundershock I believe, takes out a friggin' Golem. I mean, please.

I know how that is. I like things darker too. I normally like things really dark, but Pokemon WAS originally made for children, so I doubt they are ever going to change that... But I think that's what the manga is for, really. To make things a bit easier on us. lol.

Evee dude86
May 16th, 2010, 07:31 PM
Yeah, when I saw what they did to Gary I was actually quite shocked. I mean, as much as I love Saturn, Gary could have wiped the FLOOR with his butt. But Gary for some reason decided to stop training and do other things. I was a bit shocked and angry about this. It seems like everyone from the original series decided to grow up and do more mature things and Ash is the only one still going.

I think Ash needs to let that thing go. I'm tired of Pikachu being, like, a god mod. Like, in the first movie, Pikachu uses a simple thundershock I believe, takes out a friggin' Golem. I mean, please.

I know how that is. I like things darker too. I normally like things really dark, but Pokemon WAS originally made for children, so I doubt they are ever going to change that... But I think that's what the manga is for, really. To make things a bit easier on us. lol.

1. Yea, I mean even Gary look like he aged A LIL, but not Ash lol nope! I wanna see this fountain of youth he found 2 keep em perpetually pre-pubescent.

2. LOL u kno Ash wud sooner fall on a sword than let his groom 2 be go lol, naw Pikachu and his invincible attacks are likely here 2 stay, he even went toe 2 toe wit Arceus lol no limits!

3. I agree.

randomspot555
May 17th, 2010, 07:42 AM
Have you people who are complaining about the lack of plot even been watching Sinnoh?

Or complaining about fillers while worshiping Kanto and Johto? What are you smoking?

chikorita125
May 17th, 2010, 07:53 AM
ya now i kinda liked the Sinnoh episodes, because they were more funnier. but you can't beat the first season in humour.

Porygon-Z
May 17th, 2010, 08:05 AM
I would like to see an end to this "dodge it" nonsense they keep saying in battles...

as if the pokemon wouldn't dodge on it's own anyway....

Also Team Rocket...where do you begin?

Maybe they should change the main charcter totally and let Ash go.

A timeskip might be nice.

randomspot555
May 17th, 2010, 08:08 AM
I would like to see an end to this "dodge it" nonsense they keep saying in battles...

The trainer as a view of the entire battle field. Pokemon only have the view of wherever their facing. Unless you're Claydol, which has like, 4 eyes (technically 8, but it's sprite depicts only 4 being open).

Darthbane2007
May 17th, 2010, 08:47 AM
Here are my things..

1. Scale down team rocket. It makes no sense that every episode that they are in they try to steal Ash's pokemon. You think the first 789 times, they would get the hint..

2. Stop having brock go gaga over every single girl he meets. Yes, it's been that way for 10 years, but other than the occasionial " She's hot," and only that, it's time for a break.

PkMnTrainer Yellow
May 17th, 2010, 09:37 AM
Ash is still ten.

Yeah . . . .

Force your opinion on people indeed

Apparently (According to Bulbapedia) Ash's age has never once been mentioned since he left Pallet Town, even though it's absolutely ridiculous to assume he's still 10. I'm going to say he's no less than 14, even if they made him the most incredibly fast normal child to ever grace the face of the earth.

Sharix
May 17th, 2010, 09:42 AM
Now, I haven't watched much of the anime lately, but atleast make Ash use some of his old pokémon. Instead of leaving his pokemon to rot in the pc box at Oak's place every new season, let him keep some of the stronger ones, like Charizard.

And calm down that damned yellow mouse if his. It managed to hurt freakin Arceus with a single thunderbolt!

Evee dude86
May 17th, 2010, 10:21 AM
Now, I haven't watched much of the anime lately, but atleast make Ash use some of his old pokémon. Instead of leaving his pokemon to rot in the pc box at Oak's place every new season, let him keep some of the stronger ones, like Charizard.

And calm down that damned yellow mouse if his. It managed to hurt freakin Arceus with a single thunderbolt!

CO-SIGN! THANX U! I mean the game really needs 2 b havin more bearing on the show. I'm tired of seeing Ash's PikaGod pwn Golems wit its Thunderbolt.......yea.....but if it did FINALLY EVOLVE, it wud b mad strong.

randomspot555
May 17th, 2010, 11:05 AM
CO-SIGN! THANX U! I mean the game really needs 2 b havin more bearing on the show. I'm tired of seeing Ash's PikaGod pwn Golems wit its Thunderbolt.......yea.....but if it did FINALLY EVOLVE, it wud b mad strong.

When was the last time an electric attack hurt a ground type? The only times I remember this happening is in Kanto, which seems to get glossed over by the KANTO IS THE BEST crowd.

Evee dude86
May 17th, 2010, 11:06 AM
When was the last time an electric attack hurt a ground type? The only times I remember this happening is in Kanto, which seems to get glossed over by the KANTO IS THE BEST crowd.

I can't remember the exact Episode name but I've seen it a couple times, even more so in the movies.

randomspot555
May 17th, 2010, 12:20 PM
I can't remember the exact Episode name but I've seen it a couple times, even more so in the movies.

I remember it happening in the first movie. The only ground type I remember being attacked by Pikachu in recent movies was when Ash battled Torterra in Movie 10's opening. In his defense, Torterra doesn't really look like a ground type. And Torterra just shook off the Thunderbolt attack.

There's a lot to criticize the anime, especially with game mechanics, but they've been fairly consistant lately with ground's immunity to electric.

Nyu~♥!
May 20th, 2010, 04:41 AM
Honestly, Bring Team Rocket bacccck. They are hilarious. Luv em.

Have you watched any of the new ones? They're still here. They just have a much worse "humor".
I seriously love the old James' voice.. much better. D:

I really think that Brock can stay. But he needs to do more.. The girls things is classic, but getting a perverted stuff into it will just make the mommies and daddies pull their kids away from pokemon. Adding teen values into it probably wil help US, not the kids who watch it more. Pokemon is turned towards a kid's audience, and it's been that way. That's just like how Conker the Squirrel literally went from a cute kid's game to an M for mature game. It doesn't make any sense. What if a kid who played the kiddy Conker wanted the new one? 0_0'
It's obvious that Pokemon isn't going to change into a normal Anime for teens. No. It's for kids, and that'd be a huge mistake.
The problem with cartoons n general today is the fact that newer generations find funny... less funny than our generation.(well, from our generation)
Today I was looking at Bakugan.. XD I really hate the show because I've seen them throw the Bakugan.. er, balls or whatever the monsters come from. It's like Pokemon but with flowy hair. XD I thought it was a blow-off. I think it is.
Nonetheless I was watching it and I saw some interesting stuff even though I have no idea what they do besides fight XD The reason - action.. and also, some suspense, I guess. XD It looked nice, but not something I'd be interested in.
Apparently, Bakugan has become the new old-school Pokemon for the newer generations. It's got tons of merchandise, just like Pokemon.. not to mention this young artist right here is satisfied by it a little. (however, i hate the characters)


The point is.. Pokemon need more action, more creativity in the show.. more of the comedy they used to have! It's good enough for Johto and Indigo Islands.. I think we'd all be satisfied like that. :/ (I wonder if the kiddies would mind..) What always happens is that they meet a girl(most of the time, just for Brock) who needs help with something and they stop to help the person.. and then they continue on their journey.
However, this always happened in the the old ones. On Boomerang they do Pokemon Johto(AWYEAH) at 6:30, Mon-Fri. They do it ALL the time. But there is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more humor. MUCH more. And it's actually FUNNY. I was LAUGHING. At POKEMON. Which. is. just. downright. WEIRD. These days.
It sucks, because most of the teens that seem to be here (1990's generation) have lived through the good kids' shows.. Now, there are only a couple that people in my school would say are any good (Avatar, Adventure Time, Chowder, Flapjack[apparently]). And I am in HIGH school. Our generation knows the good times.


..I typed way too much D:

countryemo
May 20th, 2010, 05:30 AM
Kanto ^

Johto v

Hoenn ^

Sinnoh v

Isshu (^)

to me it seems like it will be a good one(:

PokemonFansince1999
May 20th, 2010, 02:10 PM
Move Team Rocket on or at least put them on the back burner for a while with them only appearing every now and then.

Back in the beginning they added some much needed comedic value to the show but as times gone they've gotten boring and repetitive in my view making each episode predictable, i.e new pokemon introduced, TR rocket steal it and then are defeated by Ash co rinse and repeat for almost every episode, felt this way since around about mid Johto.

Neurotripsy
May 21st, 2010, 04:26 AM
I'm a big fan of the original pokemon. The anime has just gotten so smarmy lately, it's like a big smarm sandwich with smarm dressing. What bugs me most is that all the characters are interchangeable. Any line could be said by any one of them, and it wouldn't change a thing; they've become a like a sticky gum Frankenstein, one big blob of character traits that they rarely if ever deviate from. I loved when the female protag was a hot headed, fire cracker sweetheart with a big attitude; and Brock was silly and playful (because he had to take care of his little siblings?) and fell over any pretty girl because he was just so flattering and extroverted; and when Ash wasn't the epitome of a perfect trainer, he was just a kid with giant dreams and his head in the clouds and kind of a dork, because every kid could identify with that. I guess they all had to experience character growth, but the growth has stopped because the franchise has lived on, I think. If I were the boss, I would put the poor show out if its misery. All the creativity has been replaced by flashy attacks and sparkly contests and the generic theme of bland, easily-won heroism. But I'm probably just an old die-hard, reminiscing on those halcyon days when I would run to my bedroom after school every day just in time to watch "Tower of Terror" or "Pokemon Shipwreck", and when James didn't sound like he had a nasty sinus infection. So I guess what I'm saying is that I doubt the 5th generation will be any better than the last, because the characters have nowhere to go but downhill anymore.
^ Pretty much exactly my feelings on the new series, only expressed more eloquently. ;)

Raise the demographic
It’s possible to make a show that is as appealing to a younger audience as it is an older one. Just look at shows like Avatar: the Last Airbender and the likes. You don’t have to stoop the show down to the levels of Dora the Explorer and all that jazz.
Definitely agree with this. I know a lot of their target audience is younger children, but they should also take into consideration that the fans who've stuck with the show since the very beginning have grown up & are losing interest with the way the storytelling quality has dipped.

GlalieX
May 22nd, 2010, 12:56 PM
1: Bring back Veronica Taylor to voice Ash, along with the majority of the old voices.
2: Don't make Team Rocket show up in EVERY episode. Gets irritating.
3: Bring back May.
4: Restore the more intense rivalry between Gary and Ash.
5: Introduce Max actually starting his journey. Doesn't have to travel with Ash, but I'd like to see him try going against Ash at some point. :P

Vernikova
May 22nd, 2010, 03:32 PM
4: Restore the more intense rivalry between Gary and Ash.

Their rivalry was never that intense. The only thing that Gary did was make fun of Ash for always being ahead of him in their quests. They didn't even battle in the Indigo League. They had to battle in the Silver Conference in a region where Gary didn't appear much at all.

Paul and Ash were better as rivals really.

Bloothump
May 27th, 2010, 06:06 PM
It's been a while since I forced my opinion on someone. Good old days.

Ahh, the good old days.

In your opinion, he isn't very funny. We have to understand that the people that this show is targeted to most likely have never seen Brock in their lives and find him fresh because of that. I also don't see how Pokémon Breeder isn't a signifiant enough class either. It's just the writers don't focus on him since the other two main characters (Ash & Dawn) have to take that spotlight. Why? They'd have to be focusing on four different plots at the same time if they made Brock more significant.

I understand that the younger audience may not find him as annoying as I do, but a little more character development is appreciated. Yes, even when you're seven. And it's not that you have to give him his own plot, I just dislike how he calls himself a breeder when he doesn't even breed pokemon. All he does is feed them.



I doubt that every character on the hero main cast will have an individual plot that would be focused on throughout an entire saga. I think that at most two of the main heroes, as always, will have their goals focused on while the rest of Co. does their best to not do anything.

Also, Pokémon Contests are supposed to be aimed at girls so it would only be expected that May & Dawn participated in it and not Brendan & Lucas.

I'm not saying every character needs to have their own plot.And exactly, pokemon contests are aimed at girls. Why? Because most girls aren't strong enough to battle? I disagree. Pokemon contests should be aimed at anyone who prefers using pokemon to appeal as apposed to battling.


Automatically better? He lost tied with Paul and lost to Roark and Gardenia when he first challenged them. This especially is because of the fact that he captures new Pokémon whenever he arrives in a new region. How is that message even brought up? It's clearly just a "Teacher teaches student" message brought up here. How does one even come up with that idea?

You're right, I forgot about Paul because he was so stereotypical, badly voice acted and forgettable. Oh well. Also, that battle was to boring for me to remember, I guess. And I do remember him losing to Roark now. But seriously, we saw 3 different battles with Roark. Over done? Yes. I get this idea because it happened with May too. Ash: Hello girl, you are hopeless, let me take you under my wing. Oh you suck, let's fix that, I can because I'm a boy. Girl: I think I'll just wear this pretty dress and join a contest instead. <3
This is the impression I get, if you don't see it, then that's you.



First of all, Soul Eater has a much bigger animation budget than Pokémon does. You can see this in Pokémon movies as well. Anyway, Pokémon battles are clearly just meant to be a fun sport and not put the Pokémon in any actual danger. This is supported by the fact that it's constantly mentioned that Pokémon Trainers should know when to forfeit a battle and that they should protect and be friends with their Pokémon.

I don't see why the budget is so much better, pokemon seems more popular in my opinion. And if any show can last for what is it now, 11 seasons, should have a pretty high animation budget. I'm not saying that pokemon get terribly hurt personally, just damage their surroundings. If the show is really targeted towards younger audiences, they'll just jump up and down and not question that.

Many episodes in Diamond & Pearl aren't actual filler episodes. I also think a lot of the fillers have been rather fun but whatever.

See, that's your opinion. And I respect it, and I'm glad you enjoy the series. I personally dislike the fillers of this generation, because it's always the same thing. And it seems to always take place in a forest....
In the first season, i remember every filler was "on the road" to the next badge. The trio would often get lost, and most of the time the episode was centered around a wild pokemon, as opposed to trainer-in-assistance of the week.

I think it redeemed itself in the Advanced Generation.

I agree, I found those episodes pretty watchable.


Ash is still ten.

Yeah . . . .

He's at least eleven. In the pikachu-short before pokemon 2000, Ash tells pikachu that the current day is the one year anniversary of when they met. Considering that they met on his tenth birthday... yeah. Also, I think that the whole drop in voice is at least some indication that he's a older. Maybe not. Whatever.



The show is targeted at kids (if you insist, Japanese kids). Why should they ever do anything to appeal to the older generation?

Because it's for 7 year olds. It's turning into Dora the Explorer in it's simplicity.



Coordinator is enough, why do we need a contest star? If the character is a contest star, does it mean (s)he'll be winning every contest she's in? That's gonna be boring.

FYI Dawn doesn't suck in battles. Did you even WATCH the episodes? Did you, in case, watch the tag battles?
Same for May. Yes, I don't remember seeing her have trainer battles, but the contests weren't as elegant and frilly as you think. Like the battle against Drew.


By contest star, I mean coordinator. I forgot to use the official term. Well, I've watched like, the first twenty episodes and then a couple other than that. I don't follow the series diligently because I think it's terrible. And I think I remember this Drew battle you're talking about, but it was a while ago so its still cloudy.



I begin to worry if you have EVER watched the episodes at all. Do you remember Paul for instance? Do you remember how Ash lost to Roark and Gardenia, and if we count her, Fantina?

We had that male newbie who wanted to catch a Yanma. Ash stepped in to help. (With Dawn and Brock, but still.) Your point?


I remember Paul once you mention him. I remember Roark. Never saw the Gardenia or Fatina episode. I saw the Yamna episode. As I said, I kind of wish Ash could be a trainer, not the world's hero because he is oh-so-great. In the first season fillers, Ash focused on his own issues and worked on his own training. He went to interesting areas and had interesting experiences there. Instead, he just helps strangers now, and its boring. In general, I dislike Ash's righteousness in the series nowadays.

Let your Pokemon move freely a bit? Are you kidding me? Your Pokemon should trust in your commands, and you should trust the Pokemon in delivering. Any other unnecessary "free"time means your Pokemon doesn't trust you, and you are in for big trouble then.

As I said earlier, younger kids wouldn't pick up on that. I wouldn't mind it as long as it reduced the amounts of annoying move calling out. At least just say "Attack!" or "You know what to do!" because a thousand "quick attacks" in a row gets on my nerves.

If the battles are dangerous, you are endangering your Pokemon, your partner and your friend. Forfeit as soon as possible.


Pokemon are not dangerous to eachother, but people. Considering they are fantastical beings, I think they can take a punch or two.



This isn't the games. When you're in real life, do you expect yourself to be able to get to the other city in an HOUR? I like it that they take a little realism and also mix a little from games.
Do you see the trainers in the routes? Take them as the filler characters and you'll see what I mean.


You're right, this isn't the game, so there shouldn't be so many random encounters as it's annoying to add so many insignificant characters. It's just a waste of a name. I'm fine with filler episodes, it can take them forty episodes to get to a gym as long as said filler episodes are entertaining. But the whole repetitive "Hey stranger, I'll help you", formula is used way to often. Before, they focused on Ash's trial, terrors, and adventures, and that was really fun to watch. Things that come to mind are the gastly/princess festival episode, the polluted town grimer/magnemite episode, etc. Filler characters are acceptable as long as its not always someone in need of assistance.

To you? No thanks. The series is flawed, but we're not the target audience. Suck it up and live with it.

I won't live with it, I just won't watch it. It's just that I love pokemon and it's be nice to be able to watch the show withount wanting to claw my eyes out.

Vernikova
May 29th, 2010, 12:44 PM
Ahh, the good old days.

You should've been there.

I understand that the younger audience may not find him as annoying as I do, but a little more character development is appreciated. Yes, even when you're seven. And it's not that you have to give him his own plot, I just dislike how he calls himself a breeder when he doesn't even breed pokemon. All he does is feed them.

Being a Pokémon Breeder doesn't mean that you have to make Pokémon actually breed with each other. It generally means, in the animé, that you have to take care of them and make sure they're healthy.

I'm not saying every character needs to have their own plot.And exactly, pokemon contests are aimed at girls. Why? Because most girls aren't strong enough to battle? I disagree. Pokemon contests should be aimed at anyone who prefers using pokemon to appeal as apposed to battling.

No because boys aren't going to be generally interested in Pokémon getting dressed up and dancing around looking all pretty and ****. Of course there are going to be some boys that do like it and good for them if they do but Pokémon Contests are just there to draw in the female viewers.

You're right, I forgot about Paul because he was so stereotypical, badly voice acted and forgettable. Oh well. Also, that battle was to boring for me to remember, I guess. And I do remember him losing to Roark now. But seriously, we saw 3 different battles with Roark. Over done? Yes. I get this idea because it happened with May too. Ash: Hello girl, you are hopeless, let me take you under my wing. Oh you suck, let's fix that, I can because I'm a boy. Girl: I think I'll just wear this pretty dress and join a contest instead. <3

He is quite one dimensional. So just because it happened twice means it's bad? They were beginning trainers and Ash had expirience so he showed them the ropes. Really.

This is the impression I get, if you don't see it, then that's you.

I guess.

I don't see why the budget is so much better, pokemon seems more popular in my opinion. And if any show can last for what is it now, 11 seasons, should have a pretty high animation budget. I'm not saying that pokemon get terribly hurt personally, just damage their surroundings. If the show is really targeted towards younger audiences, they'll just jump up and down and not question that.

A show doesn't need a high animation budget to last eleven years. it just needs to be interesting to viewers and it seems that those viewers don't care that much for the animation.

Anyway, I want to see better battles to but yeah.

See, that's your opinion. And I respect it, and I'm glad you enjoy the series. I personally dislike the fillers of this generation, because it's always the same thing. And it seems to always take place in a forest....
In the first season, i remember every filler was "on the road" to the next badge. The trio would often get lost, and most of the time the episode was centered around a wild pokemon, as opposed to trainer-in-assistance of the week.

Okay.

I agree, I found those episodes pretty watchable.

Yup.

He's at least eleven. In the pikachu-short before pokemon 2000, Ash tells pikachu that the current day is the one year anniversary of when they met. Considering that they met on his tenth birthday... yeah. Also, I think that the whole drop in voice is at least some indication that he's a older. Maybe not. Whatever.

Nah, the from in his voice was just a voice actress shift.

Flare Riqueza
May 29th, 2010, 01:11 PM
I like the voice actress thing effect, because it means it has the effect of him growing up :P


I also want to see Max.

And I'd like it if he starts again, but then keeps his pokemon through the second region/Gen VI.
Like he did in Kanto/Johto. I reckon he should've done it with Hoenn/Sinnoh.

After all, they seem to re-invent pokemon every two generations, don't they?

chiefsfan212006
May 29th, 2010, 01:19 PM
Wow I thought the new EP was this week. I was really looking forward to seeing this generation continue. :(

weedle_mchairybug
June 2nd, 2010, 03:01 AM
Force your opinion on people indeed

Apparently (According to Bulbapedia) Ash's age has never once been mentioned since he left Pallet Town, even though it's absolutely ridiculous to assume he's still 10. I'm going to say he's no less than 14, even if they made him the most incredibly fast normal child to ever grace the face of the earth.

Maybe if both the AG and DP official japanese websites never stated that Ash was the same age as May and Dawn, and thus 10 years old, we wouldn't HAVE to assume he's still 10.

Being a Pokémon Breeder doesn't mean that you have to make Pokémon actually breed with each other. It generally means, in the animé, that you have to take care of them and make sure they're healthy.

And maybe if the games actually TRANSLATED the whole issue properly rather than calling them "breeders" we wouldn't HAVE to assume they mean the literal breeding of Pokemon.

No because boys aren't going to be generally interested in Pokémon getting dressed up and dancing around looking all pretty and ****. Of course there are going to be some boys that do like it and good for them if they do but Pokémon Contests are just there to draw in the female viewers.

Yeah, and at the same time, looking all pretty and all that is having a disasterously negative impact on the female audience, as can be evidenced with that outbreak of the whole "Anorexia/Bulemia" problem as well as how some girls actually develop a dangerous ego about perfect beauty. In order to save the future, and ensure girls never suffer from this ever again, I will ensure that these things, and anything that ties to it, is annihilated. Not only that, but I'll also even annihilate the Porn industry. Besides, several of my female friends don't even CARE about the beauty stuff, especially not during their 10 years of age.

Jmath
June 4th, 2010, 11:25 AM
Honestly I like the anime for what it is now for trying to spice up the same formula its had for the past series. A slightly more "upgraded" version of this in 5th gen would be good. Okay, necessary.

pkmn.master
June 4th, 2010, 09:35 PM
I agree with everything except # 5 and 3.


#5
Let's get rid of Brock. His character is not very funny. Maybe if he could be a bit more perverted, the character would work, but because it's more of a kid's show, that can't happen. In my eyes, brock was supposed to be the cliche "pervert" character, but they then decided to aim the anime towards a younger audience, and brock became more of a hopeless romantic. Also, breeder isn't a significant enough class to be a full blown character.

I think the show would be completely ruined if Brock is removed. He has been with us in every season except one. It would be nice if they made Brock act like he did in the early seasons. He was even good in Gen. 3, but all of a sudden, he acts like a kid-cartoon character, not an anime character. The whole show has turned cartoonish ever since Gen. 4 it's ridiculous. Just about every episode, they help some random trainer get his/her Dusk Stone from Team Rocket, or help someone train-the whole episode!!! They even have cheesy kiddish dialog now. I don't like Dawn. It went from female characters having huge breasts, to kid-like ones like Dawn. Are they afraid to show us what we want? Was there a lawsuit? You don't see other Anime shows getting sued and being replaced with crap.


#3
Ash can't be as cool as he has been in the past. It seems like the past couple gens Ash steps into the new region and automatically is better than those around him. It's really annoying, especially when it comes to the female character. Female character fails at life, Ash helps, she gets better. I understand Ash has experience, and the female character is usually a new trainer, but the message "A woman is nothing without man" is still conveyed, or at least to me it is. When Ash arrives on the scene, let the female character already have her poke, and let her battle with Ash and beat him. It'd be nice if he could be shown some humility for once.


In this whole generation, Ash has actually sucked!!! I understand losing a few times, but being beaten by Paul every time?! I recently saw an episode where he loses to Barry with his Gible. He hasn't won a League yet either!

Now, what do you think the anime should do to become entertaining again?

Here's what I think: the director of the show died in a car crash and they replaced him with someone that works with Disney... I have a feeling that one day, one season, they could get someone that actually knows how to write the scripts like they used to. Let's cross our fingers and hope.

TehYoshiNinja
June 5th, 2010, 01:03 AM
Um, just ignore me if you want -- I suck at debates, so I'll stay out of that.

All I'm going to say is for one thing you wanted -- the female companion to stop being so damn female -- I must admit I miss the days of Misty. And if we have the female player character as his companion in GenV, she looks about 16, so she'll probably actually be a TRAINER. Yay.

And since Brock's been in it in all seasons but Orange Islands, I don't see him going anytime soon.

Ah, dammit. I just debated, didn't I? Well, not really. Anyway, yeah. There's my small, insignificant opinion.

Piano Man
June 8th, 2010, 02:21 PM
If Misty comes back, most definitely. But overall, I like even the newer episodes fairly well. The only thing to improve for me would be going back to having the Ash-Misty-Brock combo. You can put in other characters to travel with them if you'd like.

Masterge77
June 8th, 2010, 03:49 PM
I do want to see this in 5th gen anime:

-More evolutions of the characters pokemon, instead of "the B button treatment" to all but certain ones (e.g. Cyndaquil, Buizel)

-less neglect to all of Ash's pokemon but Pikachu (seriously, he said he would come back for Primape/Pigeot/Gliscor, but never did, what a terrible trainer, only caring for one Pokemon and not the oth- oh wait, Charizard, never mind)

-Bring Misty back and not give us another May clone like Dawn was..... actually, I hope B/W does not have contests and has Pokethlon or something else replace it, but knowing the anime writers and the game programmers, we will get contests no doubt.....

-Let Brock actualy ACT like a breeder instead of having him say he will be one, but never actually does it (this is another thing 4Kids has created)

-Bring Jigglypuff back, we he have not seen her since a sole episode in Hoenn

-Less filler and more plot (definetly), rather make it more like the game instead of straying afar like it did starting after the Indigo League

.........and MOST IMPORTANTLY:

-MAKE ASH GROW A FREAKING INCH OR TWO DAMNIT, he's been the same age and size since episode one!!!

Personally, I say yes. But a few things have to happen first. While it'd be ideal if they got rid of Ash all together, it's obvious that won't happen, so here's a list of the five things, imo, that the anime should do to become watchable once again.

#5
Let's get rid of Brock. His character is not very funny. Maybe if he could be a bit more perverted, the character would work, but because it's more of a kid's show, that can't happen. In my eyes, brock was supposed to be the cliche "pervert" character, but they then decided to aim the anime towards a younger audience, and brock became more of a hopeless romantic. Also, breeder isn't a significant enough class to be a full blown character.

He keeps saying that he will be a breeder, but he NEVER DOES IT

#4
The new character classes should be contest star, and either two trainers or a trainer (Ash) and a pokeathlete. And the girl character should not be the contest star. In DP, Dawn pretty much sucks at battling and does well at contest. It's almost as if they're conveying the message that girls can't be strong or tough, but it's fine if they get all dressed up and put on a show. The males who do contests are often effeminate as well.

Isn't that prejudice against women, oh wait, they aren't women yet, so it's plausible, right? RIGHT?

#3
Ash can't be as cool as he has been in the past. It seems like the past couple gens Ash steps into the new region and automatically is better than those around him. It's really annoying, especially when it comes to the female character. Female character fails at life, Ash helps, she gets better. I understand Ash has experience, and the female character is usually a new trainer, but the message "A woman is nothing without man" is still conveyed, or at least to me it is. When Ash arrives on the scene, let the female character already have her poke, and let her battle with Ash and beat him. It'd be nice if he could be shown some humility for once.

Big Damn Heroes to the rescue!

#2
More spectacle! The battles have gotten sooooooo boring. It's command, attack, command, attack, etc. etc. over. I understand that's how the game works, but it doesn't captivate your attention in a show. It's okay to have commands, but let the pokes move freely a bit! Also, the battles need to be bigger! And I don't mean explosions, there's too many of those. I mean, let the pokes jump high, hit eachother into the ground, and create a crater from the impact! Make them seem at least dangerous. Because right now, the characters say wild pokemon are dengerous, when really, all it'll do is bite you or peck at your head. That's what normal animals do. If you've seen Soul Eater, that's kind of what I'm talking about, Not the blood, just the awesome acrobatic style of fighting.

on the "let the pokes jump high, hit eachother into the ground, and create a crater from the impact!" part, I can only say THAT THIS IS NOT DRAGONBALL Z!!!!

Anyway, the battles do need to be more serious, like make them have body parts break, or bleed, make it more REALISTIC, but then again, it was actually 4Kids who made it that way, just like everything else in the Pokemon anime was caused by 4Kids

#1!
Make it more story driven! Right now, every episode is just Ash and co. helping some random stranger out. Focus more on action and less on doing good deeds for people you don't even know. And frankly, it's quite annoying having to meet two new characters every. single. episode. This means less team rocket too, they're entertaining on occasion. But now, every plan of theirs is the same, and they appear every episode. More tense, climactic, story driven episodes will help this show a lot. Multi episode quests, you know what I mean.

This is the biggest problem in the anime currently, but look at Naruto's fillers, they tend to be multi episode quests, and are more tense, climatic, and story driven (well.... almost.....). The biggest part of this problem is that they are all actually the same episode, just in a diffrent part of the region between two certain towns, with diffrent characters of the day, and a diffrent Pokemon, and a few minor edits here and there, but once in a while, they actually have a decent episode that goes pretty fine until Ash/Team Rocket does something to screw it over (eg. "Pikachu, use Thunderbolt..... ON YOURSELF!")

MORE MATURE, Im tired of this constant appeal 2 the new yunger generation UGH, we need blood, cussin, skin, darker bad ass characters, etc

This is Pokemon, it's for kids, this is not Naruto Shippuden, or Bleach, or Death Note, or one of those Hentai animes, but I do agree with the blood and badass characters, we need SOMETHING serious, a few serious scenes, maybe even having a Pokemon killed off, AND I KNOW JUST WHICH ONE *looks at Pikachu and smirks evilly*

Speaking of 4Kids, it was actually them who manipulated the Japanese to do this to the Pokemon anime back in Gen 1, right after Butterfree as a matter of fact......

I doubt that it would. If they didn't redeemed themselves on the 4th gen, it won't happen in the 5th. But, hey. Maybe the Female Protagonist will be a hot-head and be the opposite of Ash's female companion so far and actually be a competition, a threat and also a main character. There's one thing I'd want them to improve. Don't re-use the storyline! What happened in the first season, can't be the storyline for the 4th!

Or how about White being a recuring Rival Character with Misty or May traveling with Ash (not Dawn, I hope they dump her)



Actually, I agree AND disagree.

1.) Yes, but they already screwed Gary up. So I think they should bring in Silver for a change. He should have had his debut LONG ago but for some reason they did Johto weird and he never appeared. Or maybe even Masky!

Yeah, they royally screwed Johto up, actually that was when the anime started to turn into the monstrocity we know today, the start of Hoenn being the complete transformation into what is now the Pokemon anime, what we would call a "seasonal decay", the biggest one in anime history to be exact

Of course they could have wrote Ash off and had Gold as the main character, a fresh start, but no, they had to make Ash lose the Indigo League, and then screwed it over with Orange Islands

[QUOTE]2.) Pikachu doesn't need to evolve. He needs to DIE.

LOL true in the purest of sense.......

3.) I don't believe it has to be THAT wild. Now it would be awesome if it was, I'll say that, but I want it to be more like... Well, the manga portrays it. And now, I'm not a huge fan of the manga, I hate what they did to Silver, but I love it for it's violence and threats and stuff. I want to see Arbok get slashed in half, Pokemon bodies rot away, I even liked how the Masked Man actually threatened to end the lives of two children. THAT is what I want to see in Pokemon. More seriousness. Definitely darker. More evil.

LOL, the anime SHOULD be more like the Pokemon Special Manga, no wait, Pokemon Special SHOULD have been the anime, even Tajiri himself comments: "This is the world I was trying to convey", but then 4Kids would have screwed it over, and manipulated Japan for it to be that way there too........

ya now i kinda liked the Sinnoh episodes, because they were more funnier. but you can't beat the first season in humour.

Actually, you can't beat the first season in anything, especially when it was darker and serious in the very first episodes, well, until Butterfree, or at least the Indigo League, that's when the biggest filler arc in Anime history, well, second to Naruto, came into being

Vernikova
June 8th, 2010, 04:10 PM
LOL, the anime SHOULD be more like the Pokemon Special Manga, no wait, Pokemon Special SHOULD have been the anime, even Tajiri himself comments: "This is the world I was trying to convey", but then 4Kids would have screwed it over, and manipulated Japan for it to be that way there too........

Pokémon animé came before Pokémon Special.

Not going to argue the rest of that tl;dr post though.