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DARKSHADE
February 28th, 2012, 07:48 PM
How do you think Kyurem's new forms fit into the backstory of Reshiram and Zekrom (Which is partly shown in the 14th Movie, and mentioned within the games.)

In the games,

http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/0/07/Pok%C3%A9mon_-_Black_%26_White.png

An old man mentions that Reshiram and Zekrom were once one Pokemon, presumably, this Pokemon was Kyurem.

http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/1/17/646AKyurem.png

Of course, if he entirely split into the legendary duo, there would not be any of him left, so based on that, the Kyurem you see in black and white is the broken remains of a once even more powerful Pokemon.

(This is backed up by his 'broken-off' looking body parts)


The 14th Movie

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvpc8vyF0D1qfljyx.png

(And still yet a bit of information from the games) Goes onto explain this Plot further;

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http://pk-life.com/Noticias/data/upimages/Reshiram-Zekrom.jpg

Reshiram and Zekrom were once one dragon Pokemon (Kyurem), and it belonged to two twin heroes. Using the power of this dragon Pokemon (Kyurem) They created a new land, which they named the Unova region.

But each of the two brothers sought something different in life; the older brother sought 'the truth', and the younger brother sought 'ideals'.

They began to argue amongst each other, and in response to this, the dragon Pokemon (Kyurem) split in half.

http://www.serebii.net/movies/victini/black/pics/M593.jpg

It's two halves were Reshiram and Zekrom. Reshiram sided with the oldest of the two brothers, and Zekrom with the youngest.

The arguement continued, and Reshiram and Zekrom began to battle each other, both equally as strong.

After realising there was no point in fighting, the brothers came to a stale-mate, and agreed to stop the battle.

Unfortunately for the two brothers, it was their sons who then decided to resume this battle, and in doing so -the two legendary Pokemon obliterated Unova.

Reshiram and Zekrom then disappeared soon afterward.

Awaiting in a slumber, ready to be awakened again.

http://www.serebii.net/movies/victini/black/pics/M1060.jpg http://www.serebii.net/movies/victini/black/pics/M145.jpg

After realising what they had done, the sons of the two heroes set out to rebuild their once glorious land, which despite all of the odds, they managed to do, and Unova flourished into the land we see in Pokemon Black and White.

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When initially hearing the story, I invisioned a mixture of all 3 of the Pokemon, but now we've been given Black and White Kyurem, which is two Pokemon - which still doesn't make this alleged 'Original one dragon Pokemon' as the legend talks about. Am I the only one bothered by this?

http://assets4.pokemon.com/assets/cms/img/video-games/pokemonblackwhite2/bw2_maindetail.jpg

Do you think perhaps maybe they will fuse together too?
Any other theories on this and anything related to the backstories of these Pokemon?

Discuss.

Xander Olivieri
February 28th, 2012, 09:43 PM
As I've speculated, Kyurems is supposed to be from space according to the legend in Lacunosa. Kyurem fell from from the sky/space in a Meteor and created the Giant Chasm. If we play it like Deoxys, it was most likely sealed away inside of the meteor and released when it collided with the planet.

Likewise years later two more will fall to the planet holding within them Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. Once they are released, they start to wreak havoc on Unova.

Other idea is that they were both sealed with Kyurem but when Kyurem's meteor entered the atmosphere, it broke into three pieces, each holding a different kyurem. When they story progresses in the new games, the other two will awaken and be pursued as sources of power.

We really need to see how they play their part in the up coming movie. I highly doubt they are fusions as most fear mostly because of the lack of Reshiram and Zekrom in that movie. If they were in it, they would have possibly been noted by now. Their legendary items as well. The Movies aren't known for reusing the same major plot item over and over so with the stones being in the area for the last movie, I doubt we'll see them in this movie.

What I think, Keldeo is frozen in Kyurem's ice, muskedeers show up to save him, the other two Kyurem are also frozen solid somewhere and are awakened or something close to that.

If not then it has to do with Ice Burn and Freeze Shock. If it is a form change, Kyurem has to some how learn them before changing.

As I've speculated, Kyurems is supposed to be from space according to the legend in Lacunosa. Kyurem fell from from the sky/space in a Meteor and created the Giant Chasm. If we play it like Deoxys, it was most likely sealed away inside of the meteor and released when it collided with the planet.

Likewise years later two more will fall to the planet holding within them Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. Once they are released, they start to wreak havoc on Unova.

Other idea is that they were both sealed with Kyurem but when Kyurem's meteor entered the atmosphere, it broke into three pieces, each holding a different kyurem. When they story progresses in the new games, the other two will awaken and be pursued as sources of power.

We really need to see how they play their part in the up coming movie. I highly doubt they are fusions as most fear mostly because of the lack of Reshiram and Zekrom in that movie. If they were in it, they would have possibly been noted by now. Their legendary items as well. The Movies aren't known for reusing the same major plot item over and over so with the stones being in the area for the last movie, I doubt we'll see them in this movie.

What I think, Keldeo is frozen in Kyurem's ice, muskedeers show up to save him, the other two Kyurem are also frozen solid somewhere and are awakened or something close to that.

If not then it has to do with Ice Burn and Freeze Shock. If it is a form change, Kyurem has to some how learn them before changing.

DARKSHADE
February 29th, 2012, 05:29 AM
As I've speculated, Kyurems is supposed to be from space according to the legend in Lacunosa. Kyurem fell from from the sky/space in a Meteor and created the Giant Chasm. If we play it like Deoxys, it was most likely sealed away inside of the meteor and released when it collided with the planet.

Correct. And thanks for bringing that up by the way! I probably should've added the Lacusona legend to the thread too.
However, I don't know if it played out quite the same as Deoxys.


Likewise years later two more will fall to the planet holding within them Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. Once they are released, they start to wreak havoc on Unova.

Other idea is that they were both sealed with Kyurem but when Kyurem's meteor entered the atmosphere, it broke into three pieces, each holding a different kyurem. When they story progresses in the new games, the other two will awaken and be pursued as sources of power.


Perhaps, I'm not sure what to think of this though.. I doubt it'd be true, otherwise it'd be quite a coincidence for Kyurem to have 2 moves related to both fire and electricity.


We really need to see how they play their part in the up coming movie. I highly doubt they are fusions as most fear mostly because of the lack of Reshiram and Zekrom in that movie. If they were in it, they would have possibly been noted by now. Their legendary items as well. The Movies aren't known for reusing the same major plot item over and over so with the stones being in the area for the last movie, I doubt we'll see them in this movie.

Understandable, I just can't seem to get out of my head how they can't be forms.. they're clearly made to look like the the two legendary dragons, and Kyurem having 2 moves which corespond to it's new forms.
And whilst the chances of the stones are being in the same place again are slim.. I wouldn't put it entirely past them to re-use them.


What I think, Keldeo is frozen in Kyurem's ice, muskedeers show up to save him, the other two Kyurem are also frozen solid somewhere and are awakened or something close to that.

That's a quite a guess on the movie plot, but it doesn't sound too unreasonable, I don't think the two new legendaries would be frozen though.


If not then it has to do with Ice Burn and Freeze Shock. If it is a form change, Kyurem has to some how learn them before changing.

Now this I can accept, but I don't think it'd be just a move thing like the weather is with castform, that seems to completely ignore the legend. Although who knows, maybe it was a move that caused them to split.. but even so, it Split into Reshiram and Zekrom, not Black Kyurem and White Kyurem.

These two new forms don't seem to entirely fit.

It may also interest you to know that there is placeholder data for an alternate form of Kyurem in Pokémon Black and White. There was the same type of placeholder data for Rotom, Giratina, and Shaymin in Diamond and Pearl.

Illumknight
February 29th, 2012, 08:36 AM
This is just my perspective but perhaps if Reshiram & Kyurem fight they are forced to become White Kyurem (same with Kyurem and zekrom) and if all three Pokemon are in the same area they will become this Legendary Dragon Pokemon in the Unova Legend? And maybe this Legendary dragon was in fact forced to become to "Halves" and Kyurem was the individual shard of the dragon (Like Zekrom & Reshiram -the two halves- become the power, the two halves meaning Power not embodiment, and Kyurem was that body, resulting in his shattered look, because he lost all of his true power.) This is just speculation of course.

DARKSHADE
February 29th, 2012, 09:19 AM
This is just my perspective but perhaps if Reshiram & Kyurem fight they are forced to become White Kyurem (same with Kyurem and zekrom)

So what you're saying is; if Reshiram or Zekrom are forced into a fight with Kyurem, they merge with him to produce either Black or Wite Kyurem?

Interesting perspective.



If all three Pokemon are in the same area they will become this Legendary Dragon Pokemon in the Unova Legend?

^ I believe something like this, but I don't think it'd be as simple as having them in the same area.


Maybe this Legendary dragon was in fact forced to become to "Halves"


Well it may have been, or it may have been out of choice, either way you look at it, this Original Dragon Pokemon had to do SOMETHING to prevent the two heroes fighting.


Kyurem was the individual shard of the dragon (Like Zekrom & Reshiram -the two halves- become the power, the two halves meaning Power not embodiment, and Kyurem was that body, resulting in his shattered look, because he lost all of his true power.) This is just speculation of course.


It would seem something like this.
Reshiram and Zekrom are meant to represent Ying and Yang, and Kyurem represents 'Wuji' the abscence of Ying and Yang, so your theory may have some logic too it.
However personally, I'd still say Kyurem still has some power, just nowhere near the amount of it's original form.
And yes I'd definitely agree his shattered look was due to the split.

~DarkAchu~
February 29th, 2012, 10:51 AM
Sup, Darkshade long time no see...

I'm not sure how it will be handled in the movie, but for the games as soon as I saw the new forms my mind just thought it in a more simple way for example White/Black Kyurem is made by simple holding or the player acquiring the respective stones and since the stones are sort of the imbodiment of the Two split dragons, one can assume Kyurem would some how use the power from the stones without fully taking on the complete form.

In short I think the Stones will play a part in the two forms some how rather than Zekrom and Reshiram.

JakeyBoy
February 29th, 2012, 11:01 AM
There is only one logical explanation. (http://images.wikia.com/dragonball/images/b/b8/FUSION_DANCE.jpg)

~DarkAchu~
February 29th, 2012, 11:51 AM
There is only one logical explanation. (http://images.wikia.com/dragonball/images/b/b8/FUSION_DANCE.jpg)


Well it did already happen.... who knows if its going to happen again...

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110228101058/pokemon/images/b/b0/Venustoise.jpg

DARKSHADE
February 29th, 2012, 11:57 AM
Sup, Darkshade long time no see...

I'm not sure how it will be handled in the movie, but for the games as soon as I saw the new forms my mind just thought it in a more simple way for example White/Black Kyurem is made by simple holding or the player acquiring the respective stones and since the stones are sort of the imbodiment of the Two split dragons, one can assume Kyurem would some how use the power from the stones without fully taking on the complete form.

In short I think the Stones will play a part in the two forms some how rather than Zekrom and Reshiram.

D-Darkachu?! Wow I am running into a lot of surprises spending time back on PC ^^ Nice to see you again.

And yes that would make perfect sense! Now I'm thinking 'Well what if he could hold both stones at once? Would he THEN turn back into his original form?'

This is all getting very confusing.

There is only one logical explanation. (http://images.wikia.com/dragonball/images/b/b8/FUSION_DANCE.jpg)

Obviously.. Which would be what?

Well it did already happen.... who knows if its going to happen again...

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110228101058/pokemon/images/b/b0/Venustoise.jpg

LOL! I was thinking the same thing when I saw them XD

Xander Olivieri
February 29th, 2012, 02:42 PM
It may also interest you to know that there is placeholder data for an alternate form of Kyurem in Pokémon Black and White. There was the same type of placeholder data for Rotom, Giratina, and Shaymin in Diamond and Pearl.

That was actually discredited by most of the news sites. No other site found evidence to report that claim. I was in the discussion we had on this forum about that info.

There is a trailer being uploaded to filb.de today so we'll know shortly.

DARKSHADE
February 29th, 2012, 03:18 PM
That was actually discredited by most of the news sites. No other site found evidence to report that claim. I was in the discussion we had on this forum about that info.

There is a trailer being uploaded to filb.de today so we'll know shortly.

That particular piece of information came from Bulbapedia, it's untrue you'd think by now someone would've changed it.. who knows.

And it is? Perfect, I'm excited! :3

EDIT: If it's the 32 second one, I have already seen it. It doesn't reveal much.

Xander Olivieri
February 29th, 2012, 03:33 PM
That particular piece of information came from Bulbapedia, it's untrue you'd think by now someone would've changed it.. who knows.

And it is? Perfect, I'm excited! :3

EDIT: If it's the 32 second one, I have already seen it. It doesn't reveal much.

The Code thing was on Pokebeach and some french website I believe. I've never seen them post it on Bulba.

And the one from Oha Shuta. It revealed nothing but Black Zekrom using some electric attack. White Reshiram readying an attack and Keldeo looking like it was just released from something.

So now we wait for Saturday for them to post stuff on Pokemon Smash. -w-

DARKSHADE
February 29th, 2012, 03:45 PM
The Code thing was on Pokebeach and some french website I believe. I've never seen them post it on Bulba.

And the one from Oha Shuta. It revealed nothing but Black Zekrom using some electric attack. White Reshiram readying an attack and Keldeo looking like it was just released from something.

So now we wait for Saturday for them to post stuff on Pokemon Smash. -w-

Yep I just saw it.

Atleast I got to see Black Kyurem moving..

But that was almost nothing, however it does break your theory about Keldeo.. it seemed as if it was also awoken, then again, he may have been encased in ice, who knows.

Naykd
February 29th, 2012, 03:45 PM
This is starting to turn out as Dragonball Z or something

DARKSHADE
February 29th, 2012, 03:47 PM
This is starting to turn out as Dragonball Z or something

Lol don't say that, I don't like DBZ xP

I can see your point though, Pokemon is getting complex.. and it's not ALWAYS good.

Naykd
February 29th, 2012, 03:59 PM
Lol don't say that, I don't like DBZ xP

I can see your point though, Pokemon is getting complex.. and it's not ALWAYS good.

Well when I first started like Pokemon nearly over 14 years ago, I like it how every Pokemon is unique to one another.

Now we get this fusion thing.. is this just an excuse for not being able to creatively design new Pokemon?

I just disagree how every generation there needs to be over 100+ new Pokemon. I mean seriously, why?

DARKSHADE
February 29th, 2012, 04:04 PM
Well when I first started like Pokemon nearly over 14 years ago, I like it how every Pokemon is unique to one another.

Now we get this fusion thing.. is this just an excuse for not being able to creatively design new Pokemon?

I just disagree how every generation there needs to be over 100+ new Pokemon. I mean seriously, why?

As did I, Pokemon Red was my first game ever.
Pokemon is extremely important to me, and I'm now studying games design in college if that says anything.

So I fully understand your frustration and agree with it, I could live with this fusion and everything.. but it's not making any sense right now >w<

Naykd
February 29th, 2012, 05:30 PM
As did I, Pokemon Red was my first game ever.
Pokemon is extremely important to me, and I'm now studying games design in college if that says anything.

So I fully understand your frustration and agree with it, I could live with this fusion and everything.. but it's not making any sense right now >w<

Some of the new Pokemon just look terrible..

It reminds me back in the R/B/Y days where people were going on about these fake cheats on how to get "Pikablu" etc and then on websites you would see these poorly designed fusion Pokemon

DARKSHADE
February 29th, 2012, 06:16 PM
Some of the new Pokemon just look terrible..

It reminds me back in the R/B/Y days where people were going on about these fake cheats on how to get "Pikablu" etc and then on websites you would see these poorly designed fusion Pokemon

Ah I remember..

152. Houou
153. Topegy
154. Pikablu
155. Tyranticus
156. Primator
157. Doomsay
158. Doomsday
159. Psyke
160. Wizwar
161. NidoGod


And I can agree, I really don't like the look of Black Kyurem, and a lot of the 4th/5th gen Pokemon really agitated me, as I've said before, it's like watching my childhood get slowly murdered.
I'd like Nintendo to at some point have a competition, where fans send in their Pokemon artwork and they work with that..

You may be correct in that these pokemon just look like sprite splices, but their backstory isn't that badly thought out.

Naykd
February 29th, 2012, 06:28 PM
Ah I remember..

152. Houou
153. Topegy
154. Pikablu
155. Tyranticus
156. Primator
157. Doomsay
158. Doomsday
159. Psyke
160. Wizwar
161. NidoGod


And I can agree, I really don't like the look of Black Kyurem, and a lot of the 4th/5th gen Pokemon really agitated me, as I've said before, it's like watching my childhood get slowly murdered.
I'd like Nintendo to at some point have a competition, where fans send in their Pokemon artwork and they work with that..

You may be correct in that these pokemon just look like sprite splices, but their backstory isn't that badly thought out.

What I think they should do for the next Generation and onwards is focus more on the storylines, and less on generating new Pokemon.

A few new Pokemon in every generation will make eyes open as people would be wondering.. oh is it stronger than the Pokemon we know of now? How do they compare?

But when you have over 100 new Pokemon, it's basically too many. Most people don't even remember all the names of the Pokemon now. When it used to be 151 + the new ones from Johto, you could really put names to the Pokemon's faces. Now you can't anymore because it's overkill.

Xander Olivieri
February 29th, 2012, 06:35 PM
I'd like Nintendo to at some point have a competition, where fans send in their Pokemon artwork and they work with that..


Nintendo doesn't have the right to do anything like that. And Gamefreak will just hire you just like they did the new American on their team. Its not likely something that will ever happen though.

Solodomo
February 29th, 2012, 06:53 PM
What if zekrom and reshiram are forced to change into black zekrom and white reshiram but are separated and start to search for one another to complete their transformation into the dragon in the legend.

~DarkAchu~
February 29th, 2012, 08:23 PM
What if zekrom and reshiram are forced to change into black zekrom and white reshiram but are separated and start to search for one another to complete their transformation into the dragon in the legend.


The new forms are for Kyurem not Reshiram and Zekrom. They just look similar.

On a side note my Pokemon Black just corrupted. And there goes over 100 pokes I was training....

Forever
February 29th, 2012, 08:45 PM
Guys, stay on-topic. The thread is about the backstory regarding Kyurem and its relation to what we already know of Reshiram and Kyurem. I'd normally delete, but having to delete over ten posts, really has less of a point when I can just warn you guys here. So to clarify, this thread is not about a fan art competition, not about a future generation, not about if you think they look ugly or not and lastly not about DBZ. I don't want to have to close this, so please guys, stay on-topic.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
February 29th, 2012, 09:02 PM
Okay so according to the anime Kyurem transforms into Black and White Kyurem by absorbing the genes of Zekrom and Reshiram respectively (I read this in an article on Pokebeach which had a translation of the new trailer). So maybe the item to transform Kyurem will be by giving it Plasma...or genes from the dragon...maybe Blue Plasma and Red Plasma will be the name of the items to transform it...(the logos have those colors too...hint?)

Xander Olivieri
February 29th, 2012, 09:25 PM
Love how the trailer says Kyurem is the Planet's Strongest Pokemon, yet there are Pokemon with Better stats.

XD

And from what I see/hear he absorbed their power... So maybe The Light and Dark Stones do play a part in how he transforms since they hold the powers of the Dragons.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
February 29th, 2012, 11:14 PM
I thought it called him the strongest Dragon...(which is untrue as that place belongs to the EDPPtBW mascots)...unless they're impling Transformed Kyurem is stronger than those six...
Anyways I do wonder where Kyurem fits into the myth...I hope B2W2 clears things up...and doesn't leave it somewhat vague like Cynthia's explination on how Giratina's exile...

DARKSHADE
March 2nd, 2012, 03:53 AM
First of all, I apologise for my absence, I had things to attend to;

Nintendo doesn't have the right to do anything like that. And Gamefreak will just hire you just like they did the new American on their team. Its not likely something that will ever happen though.
I'm sure they have the rights, just not the time.

What if zekrom and reshiram are forced to change into black zekrom and white reshiram but are separated and start to search for one another to complete their transformation into the dragon in the legend.
It's possible, but how would the transformation take place? By choice? And why haven't they been searching for each other sooner.

The new forms are for Kyurem not Reshiram and Zekrom. They just look similar.

On a side note my Pokemon Black just corrupted. And there goes over 100 pokes I was training....

I know, but they are clearly made in the image of them, there must be a reason for that.

And ouch s:

Guys, stay on-topic. The thread is about the backstory regarding Kyurem and its relation to what we already know of Reshiram and Kyurem. I'd normally delete, but having to delete over ten posts, really has less of a point when I can just warn you guys here. So to clarify, this thread is not about a fan art competition, not about a future generation, not about if you think they look ugly or not and lastly not about DBZ. I don't want to have to close this, so please guys, stay on-topic.

Been waiting for someone to say that, thankyou. =P

Okay so according to the anime Kyurem transforms into Black and White Kyurem by absorbing the genes of Zekrom and Reshiram respectively (I read this in an article on Pokebeach which had a translation of the new trailer). So maybe the item to transform Kyurem will be by giving it Plasma...or genes from the dragon...maybe Blue Plasma and Red Plasma will be the name of the items to transform it...(the logos have those colors too...hint?)

That's really interesting o.o, the 'genes'? It's starting to get all Genesect-y in here, haha.
I wonder how that will take place, perhaps the orbs? A weird splice thing.. contact?

Love how the trailer says Kyurem is the Planet's Strongest Pokemon, yet there are Pokemon with Better stats.

XD

And from what I see/hear he absorbed their power... So maybe The Light and Dark Stones do play a part in how he transforms since they hold the powers of the Dragons.

Ah but we don't know Black/White Kyurem's stats.
And maybe they were talking about this legendary dragon form?

I thought it called him the strongest Dragon...(which is untrue as that place belongs to the EDPPtBW mascots)...unless they're impling Transformed Kyurem is stronger than those six...
Anyways I do wonder where Kyurem fits into the myth...I hope B2W2 clears things up...and doesn't leave it somewhat vague like Cynthia's explination on how Giratina's exile...

I believe something like this, and so do I, that was extremely brief, and not very well explained within the game.

Xander Olivieri
March 2nd, 2012, 09:59 AM
No they said Kyurem Strongest (Dragon) Pokemon on Earth and showed a picture of Regular Kyurem, not the form changes. So they were referencing Regular Kyurem who has many Pokemon above it. One is non Legendary as well.

And no, Nintendo does not have any say in who Gamefreak hires or what they use as designs. Gamefreak is the only company that can add to Pokemon, and they are the only ones that could hold a contest, which will most likely never happen. Junichi Masuda likes how fans make their own renditions and would never use a fan's design without outright hiring them.

DARKSHADE
March 2nd, 2012, 10:40 AM
No they said Kyurem Strongest (Dragon) Pokemon on Earth and showed a picture of Regular Kyurem, not the form changes. So they were referencing Regular Kyurem who has many Pokemon above it. One is non Legendary as well.

And no, Nintendo does not have any say in who Gamefreak hires or what they use as designs. Gamefreak is the only company that can add to Pokemon, and they are the only ones that could hold a contest, which will most likely never happen. Junichi Masuda likes how fans make their own renditions and would never use a fan's design without outright hiring them.

I meant Nintendo requests Gamefreak to, they likely would not disagree.
I appreciate Junichi's fairness, but if the fans wanted it enough, and it got new designs done, I don't see any reason why not.

And whilst they may have cut to a shot of Kyurem's normal form, that doesn't mean they weren't referencing him in general.
And his new forms~

wombateiro
March 2nd, 2012, 10:48 AM
Imo, Kyurem is worth to be called "the strongest dragon" even though it has lower stats than other dragons. It was said that Kyurem carries the strongest heredity, so it's able to switch forms taking "plasma" energy from Zekrom or Reshiram. No other dragons can do such trick. That could be the reason they called Kyurem "the strongest dragon".

Mew~
March 2nd, 2012, 11:25 AM
If this is some sort of sequel, what about modification? Team Plasma did actually do this with Genesect, if they are present in these games, I could see them doing the same thing to Kyurem, giving it a new form. Just take a look at the upcoming movie, it does sort of look like it's based around some sort of factory.

Victini
March 2nd, 2012, 12:14 PM
Do you think perhaps maybe they will fuse together too?

I dunno if it's been mentioned, but I'll go ahead...

I-I hate to bring up the 15th movie so soon in this... but by the trailers it seems Kyurem can freely transform into Kyuzek and Reshykem anytime it feels like it... As well as use their fire and electric abilities, very similar to the two moves that have been unrevealed thus far. Freeze Shock and Ice Burn.

Maybe Kyurem still holds fragments of both Reshiram and Zekrom.. and maybe it doesn't require a fusion to achieve bits of their power...

But, it does seem the two final moves mysteriously left out will be placed to Kyurem in these games! ^^

DARKSHADE
March 2nd, 2012, 12:21 PM
Imo, Kyurem is worth to be called "the strongest dragon" even though it has lower stats than other dragons. It was said that Kyurem carries the strongest heredity, so it's able to switch forms taking "plasma" energy from Zekrom or Reshiram. No other dragons can do such trick. That could be the reason they called Kyurem "the strongest dragon".

That's a good point actually.
However there is also a possibility it's just a marketing gimick.
And on the other hand a difference in the anime, stats are different to how things work in the anime.
I like your take on it.

Also, your signature made me laugh.

If this is some sort of sequel, what about modification? Team Plasma did actually do this with Genesect, if they are present in these games, I could see them doing the same thing to Kyurem, giving it a new form. Just take a look at the upcoming movie, it does sort of look like it's based around some sort of factory.

Very true, and you are right, it kinda is.. why modify it to look like Reshiram and Zekrom though.. and this is where the next quote comes in.

I dunno if it's been mentioned, but I'll go ahead...

I-I hate to bring up the 15th movie so soon in this... but by the trailers it seems Kyurem can freely transform into Kyuzek and Reshykem anytime it feels like it... As well as use their fire and electric abilities, very similar to the two moves that have been unrevealed thus far. Freeze Shock and Ice Burn.

Maybe Kyurem still holds fragments of both Reshiram and Zekrom.. and maybe it doesn't require a fusion to achieve bits of their power...

But, it does seem the two final moves mysteriously left out will be placed to Kyurem in this game! ^^

This seems more likely, so you're saying maybe this plasma isn't needed, or it's already contained within it's body?
Also feel free to bring up the 15th Movie, it's pretty much needed.

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On a side note, I saw this on DeviantArt;

http://www.deviantart.com/download/213082999/whole_kyurem_by_celticmagician-d3iv3w7.jpg

I'd imagine his whole form looking something like this atleast..

~DarkAchu~
March 2nd, 2012, 12:33 PM
I saw that pic a couple of days ago, I like how the artist is hovering over "No" I mean if it were to actually happen who would say no :P

A bit more on topic, as it seems that It can change freely I wonder how that will actually happen in game.. Also did it always have the ability to change? Or does something happen that gives him the ability to do so because if he always could why isn't it in or even mentioned in B&W1?

wombateiro
March 2nd, 2012, 01:28 PM
If this is some sort of sequel, what about modification? Team Plasma did actually do this with Genesect, if they are present in these games, I could see them doing the same thing to Kyurem, giving it a new form. Just take a look at the upcoming movie, it does sort of look like it's based around some sort of factory.

I'm not sure if they could modify Kyurem, from what was revealed so far it seems that Kyurem's ability to change forms was given to it from time it was born, so it must have been long time before Team Plasma even existed. However, Team Plasma could capture Kyurem, force it to change form and create Genesect after making research of Kyurem's ability to switch between forms.
Also that factory in movie looks like some kind of mine or ironworks, not scientific place.

Ravecat
March 2nd, 2012, 05:18 PM
One explanation I particularly like, whether practical or not, is that Black and White 2 are prequels.

The original Kyurem splits into two pieces, which then defrost into what we now know as Zekrom and Reshiram.
The formes we see in B&W2 are in fact transitional stages where they are not completely unfrozen yet.

So sort of an origin story. I'd like it if it were that way, even though it seems as if it's not.

DARKSHADE
March 2nd, 2012, 08:08 PM
I saw that pic a couple of days ago, I like how the artist is hovering over "No" I mean if it were to actually happen who would say no :P

A bit more on topic, as it seems that It can change freely I wonder how that will actually happen in game.. Also did it always have the ability to change? Or does something happen that gives him the ability to do so because if he always could why isn't it in or even mentioned in B&W1?

Because not much is known in B&W1 about Kyurem, they see it as a legend that doesn't exist, by the sounds of things it will only be made apparent in the recent additions that he can transform, and by what people have posted before; By his own will.
So my guess is something is going to happen to him soon, that will allow him to change into these two forms, or something will have RE-happened to him, to allow him to do it.

I'm not sure if they could modify Kyurem, from what was revealed so far it seems that Kyurem's ability to change forms was given to it from time it was born, so it must have been long time before Team Plasma even existed. However, Team Plasma could capture Kyurem, force it to change form and create Genesect after making research of Kyurem's ability to switch between forms.
Also that factory in movie looks like some kind of mine or ironworks, not scientific place.

Aha, that would make more sense, and actually answers Darkachu's question.

One explanation I particularly like, whether practical or not, is that Black and White 2 are prequels.

The original Kyurem splits into two pieces, which then defrost into what we now know as Zekrom and Reshiram.
The formes we see in B&W2 are in fact transitional stages where they are not completely unfrozen yet.

So sort of an origin story. I'd like it if it were that way, even though it seems as if it's not.

I really like this idea, but unfortunately, being that it's Black and White '2', it's not practical, and I just can't see this happening.
Nice thinking though.

TornZero
March 5th, 2012, 10:59 AM
Reading through and I'm definitely liking Ravecat's explanation. It would be nice to see more history behind the dragons of Unova, so a prequel detailing Kyurem's relation to Reshiram and Zekrom could be pretty fun to play through.

However, I also like the theory of an item being needed, like with Giratina and Shaymin.

And @DARKSHADE, Devil May Cry 3 was actually a prequel to the original DMC. Numbering doesn't really seem to mean much in games past their order of development/release, and I think it makes the game easier to recognize internationally.

DARKSHADE
March 9th, 2012, 03:55 AM
Reading through and I'm definitely liking Ravecat's explanation. It would be nice to see more history behind the dragons of Unova, so a prequel detailing Kyurem's relation to Reshiram and Zekrom could be pretty fun to play through.

However, I also like the theory of an item being needed, like with Giratina and Shaymin.

And @DARKSHADE, Devil May Cry 3 was actually a prequel to the original DMC. Numbering doesn't really seem to mean much in games past their order of development/release, and I think it makes the game easier to recognize internationally.

I also like the explanation, and whislt you may be right with Devil May Cry, who is to say that Gamefreak will go down the route of odd numbering?
Usually the number 2 means a sequel, not many other series does that, not even Star Wars.