If Pokemon existed would we still remain the dominant species?!

[OreoMaster]

In Pokemon World humans are the dominant species just because they have such a great technology!Pokeballs,teleporting,devices that when you throw they open and form a jail etc Also, we wouldn't have such a great resistance to Pokemon attacks.A thunderbolt would result in electrocution not in frizzy hair.So would we be able to remain dominant?Oh and don't say that 'yes because Pokemon would be dumb and animal life'..They could invade the cities like they were shown to do many times in the anime.And alakazam and slowking are just some examples who are said to be smarter than us :)
I mean imagine walking with your family in the woods admiring the beauty of the flowers and the wildlife.With Pokemon living you wouldn't even want to think about it since you would hate the idea of a vileplume paralyzing or poisoning you when you approach it thinking that it is just a rafflesia.Or something more intimidating a Venusaur cutting you into pieces with its sharp razor leaf.
Like fishing or boating?Swimming maybe?Never again when you know a gyarados or a tentacruel is lurking underwater.

So what do you think?

 

[Oryx]

Well to say "Pokemon exists but no Pokemon-related technology exists" is just trying to set it up so we couldn't survive. If Pokemon exist, then the technology would exist, and that's what sets us apart. An Alakazam might be brilliant as far as IQ, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it has the brain for technology like we do, so with Pokeballs and such that would be enough to assert dominance or at least have an environment where we live in harmony with Pokemon.

 

[OreoMaster]

well lets suppose pokemon just came to our world.I dont think its possible to have pokeballs.Anyway just imagine a wigglytuff using hyper voice.You would get blown away.And your house wouldn't stay unharmed.

 

[Killjoy]

Opposable thumbs FTW baby! Lol

Plus firearms, and mankind's superior intelligence (and the ability to think out side the scope of simply surviving day by day, the way all other forms of life do) would win in the end.

 

[GGJ]

Yes with no doubt in my mind.

I'll take on a Gyarados any day of the week, just get me a weapon!

 

[Ineffable~]

I would like to think that Pokémon would befriend us and we wouldn't need "dominance" to have peace, but the scary idea is, maybe in real life Pokémon wouldn't be so quick to buddy up with humans. D:
Pokémon are like animals but a lot of them are even smarter than most of our animals, and some of them actually have opposable thumbs if that's important, in fact a lot of them do.

I'm afraid of the idea of being around Pokémon yet constantly being hurt by them. I hope we would understand that they are powerful and we shouldn't do anything to upset them, but I'm sure, as they do with some other animals, people would end up disregarding Pokémon and hurting them for their own advantage.
Then it's up to question whether or not the rest would stay loyal.

 

[champagnepapi]

Nice topic, OreoMaster!

To address the question, I'd say that we would still remain the dominant species. Much like animals, Pokemon are physically capable of hurting us, but I doubt that even Pokemon as intelligent as Alakazam could actually round up the all of Pokemon and get them to effectively communicate and overthrow the human race. While Pokemon seem competent in the anime, don't forget that many of them are being ordered to use their attacks by humans, and the ones that aren't are simply going off of natural instinct. Even with their Hyper Beams, Fire Blasts and Hydro Pumps, I think that Pokemon, like animals would remain inferior to humans due to our ability to think and use technology to overcome our problems. One flaw in this, however, are the legendary Pokemon, if they actually exist in our world and aren't totally secluded from society, they might be able to cause large-scale destruction that we as humans absolutely couldn't combat, unless we actually brought Pokemon under our control and used them, along with weapons, to fight back against these behemoths. Another unknown is how numerous the Pokemon would be, if there were Gyarados in every single body of water, then obviously we'd have to resort to some sort of procedure to remove them, but if there was only like, 10-100 Gyarados in the world, then we'd just leave them be.

 

[OreoMaster]

Well yeah an igglybuff would be completely harmless,just think of it as a bunny.It doesn't have ANY special powers and its weak as hell.But its evolved forms are more powerful.Wigglytuff wouldn't seem as a threat among most people so they would try to hunt it for its great fur.They would hunt it till wigglytuff killed some hunters with its hyper voice.
Or they could hunt a vileplume to make aromas from its gorgeous petals.Some poisonous or stunning spores would teach them a lesson.

Karpman I kinda agree with you.Pokemon are still like animals so they can't rule the world.I would just suggest that it would be a far more dangerous place to live in.And I think that regular Pokemon can cause a lot of large scale destruction too, not only the legendaries.A surf would still be a massive waves,a blast burn would burn down a neighborhood or even more if it spread.A frenzy plant could demolish a building.A hydro cannon could break concrete walls and send cars flying.A petal dance or leaf tornado from a small,humble vileplume could lift and kill lots and a hyper beam(which every fully evolved pokemon learn) used on a building wouldn't be pleasant.Don't even get me started about earthquake,hurricane,blizzard,heat wave,surf(which i already mentioned lol),draco meteor etc

 

[Maple Meganium]

From everything I can gather, Pokémon have no desire to control their environment, even if they are intelligent enough to do so. Humans would assert a weak dominance, like an outpost against the wilds.

 

[Akro]

Well, If Pokemon would exists I would think humans will still have dominant. But some Pokemon will be hard to control. It'll be a real cartoon on a large scale.

 

[OreoMaster]

I imagine most of the Pokemon could even take on a human with a gun.Imagine that only a wigglytuff that is a normal type pokemon with the only long range attack being hyper voice can kill a 'hunter' with a gun.It will use Supersonic to confuse the human and make him cringe in pain so as to incapacitate him and then it will either attack with a hyper voice to blast him away or double edge to kill him by breaking his bones.

 

[Grif of Hearts]

Most Pokemon tend to be peaceful, when you think about it. Some are territorial, but very few would actively hunt down others to fight them. But then, it wouldn't be too different from living in a world with their real-life counterparts (assuming they have real-life counterparts). Even easier, maybe. After all, the majority of Pokemon are peaceful creatures, and would only harm humans if they felt truly threatened, as real-life animals do. From this point, most Pokemon are intelligent enough only to start with non-leathal tactics to discourage the foe, as most seem to prefer not to fight. Only the most violent Pokemon actively seek combat, and quite a few of them are honourable creatures. Charizard for example, refuses to fight a Pokemon that appears weaker than itself (at least in the lore. Adding this to the game would make him relatively useless against most foes), humans included.

The reason that humans have become the dominant species in the games is that they are ambitious. Alakazam are intelligent beyond human capability, but they feel no need to craft tools (other than their spoons which are simply to amplify their psychic abilities) or build shelter, while humans do. It's the same advantage we have over real-life animals. Chimpanzees are highly intelligent creatures (not on par with us, and certainly not on par with Alakazam), but only have the capability to use very basic types of tools, with the extent being using a rock to smash open nut-shells and such.

Besides, humans are a remarkably resiliant species, even if today we see ourselves as weak compared to other animals. Humans are one of the most efficient long-distance runners on Earth, for example. We'd tough it out. Might take a little longer to build a civilisation since we're dodging giant plants and dragons every few days, but we'd cope. After all, humans began taming animals fairly quickly. We'd be much better defended with a Houndoom or two on our side. You don't need pokeballs to tame Pokemon, after all.

 

[Maple Leaf]

If Pokemon existed in our world, wouldn't we adapt with their ("their" as in the actual Pokemon world's) technology? It's not like Pokemon are aggressive beasts. We'd probably have to do something pretty bad to upset them, and hey, we'd eventually get used to them anyway! Even if something bad did happen, the humans would most likely win.

 

[Poueff]

I actually think it would be quite peaceful. Imho, some of you are seriously exagerating on the purportions of this. I'd compare a Blast Burn to burning a small area of a forest, max. the size of a house. Hyper Beam to a building wouldn't do **** since building = Steel/Rock type = lolnormaltype.

Jokes aside, really, even if there were Gyarados in every body of water, they aren't as big as being "one per lake". According to Pokédex discription (bulbapedia), Gyarados have...

Height
21'04"
Imperial
6.5m
Metric

Weight
518.1lbs
Imperial
235.0kg
Metric

Which, compared to real life, is slightly bigger than a small fishing boat (the rowe kind) and wouldn't do that much damage. Ofcourse, that's the average sizes, and there are bigger ones, but that's about the size (in height) as one of those big kinds of snakes (it's 2:30 AM here, I can't remember their name in english) so... yeah, there is a huge amount of them in swamps and stuff, so I guess Gyarados wouldn't be that menacing.
Surf is also just a small wave, not a tsunami. It being the same BP of ****ing boiling water (scald) should be enough for you to get that.

Charizards and the such are also barely over the size of a human. Mythological dragons could be compared to Salamences and D-Nites, and according to legends, people killed them with simple swords. Yes, there was steel type annoyance involved (I hate steel types with a passion... except for Forretress, he's classy) put those things were killed by humans. And were considered rare anyway.

And legendaries are in general also peaceful. According to their legends (in this case I'll use Gen 3 because I was just playing Emerald), Groudon and Kyogre are hidden, keeping the earth stable. And if Magmas and Aquas can be stopped by trained mons, they can be stopped by the police, or even the legendaries themselves, without much problem. Same stuff with Lugia and Ho-oh. They were peaceful, then a storm came down on Lugia's place and Ho-oh create three dogs out of it, then it was peaceful again.

Well yeah an igglybuff would be completely harmless,just think of it as a bunny.It doesn't have ANY special powers and its weak as hell.But its evolved forms are more powerful.Wigglytuff wouldn't seem as a threat among most people so they would try to hunt it for its great fur.They would hunt it till wigglytuff killed some hunters with its hyper voice.
Or they could hunt a vileplume to make aromas from its gorgeous petals.Some poisonous or stunning spores would teach them a lesson.

People adapt too. If Hyper Voices hurted hunters (lol at wigglytuffs killing people), then they would take ear protectors. Gloves with vileplumes... I gotta say, trainers really should start placing "Gloves" as the item on their pokés when fighting grass/poison types like that.

 

[Grif of Hearts]

Exactly. As Poueff said, people seem to be thinking of Pokemon attacks as too powerful. Bite, for example, would be no more powerful than if their real-life counterpart just bit you. Yes, it would sting, but most animals would need to bite the next or get at one of your organs to do any real damage. Same for most other physical attacks, such as karate chop or tackle.

Special attacks would do a little more damage, but most would be fairly easy to dodge. After all, you could see hydropump coming in from a mile off, and even then it's just a high-powered spray of water. The police use water cannons as a way to deal with riots in a way that's non-lethal. Non-lethal. Water gun would just be pushing you around a bit. Keep you at a safe distance.

 

[OreoMaster]

Okay I gotta disagree about something Poueff. Pokemon aren't something to play around for sure.And I don't think of them as DEADLY MONSTERS WITH THE POWER TO RIP OUR BRAIN(well actually psychic types could do that lol).But do you really believe that if a Pokemon existed it would be as small as it is shown to be in the anime?
Everything is done for comical reasons.Would we survive an electrocution as Ash did a million times?Would we just freeze by Ice Beam and then thaw out in 5 seconds without even a frostbite?Nope everything is made that way because some 5 years old watch the show and it would be too painful for them to see their favorite character dying or watch that cute Pikachu getting his head chopped off when he got hit by Razor Leaf.Gyarados wouldn't be 6.5m long.That's too short for him.If you even see him in the anime he seems way larger(in an episode where some gyarados create a water tornado by spinning around).Also Rhyperior roughly over 2m?Really?Tyranitar about 2m as well?Mamoswine 2m also? Well I don't think so.It would be just too intimidating for children to see a thing several times the size of Ash.That's why.
Anyway, the real danger of Pokemon comes not only from their physical strength and size but from their powers.That's why I used as an example Wigglytuff which is thought to be weak and vulnerable(which isn't true).You laughed at wigglytuff being able to hurt someone.But you forget that Wigglytuff isn't just a normal animal just because its normal type.It is big and bulky and it can use various moves to harm us.Supersonic can confuse,deafen for a while and make you lose your coordination and cringe in pain.Then since Wigglytuff managed to incapacitate you it can either run for its life or kill you while you try to figure out where West and East is with a hyper voice or a double edge.And please make me a favor,look Vortex Cannon up in the internet.That's how hyper voice would be.It looks very similar.The rings and all.You won't be safe by taking a pair of ear protectors since it doesn't damage your ears but your body.

Also a dragon in mythology is supposed to be killed at the end.Do you know any mythologies(they are myths for God's sake) where dragons managed to live and die of old age?Here it is very important to mention that they were easily killed because there was only one dragon of each type.It's like you say that there would be only one Charizard.There would be hundreds if not more.And steel types couldn't get killed even by a firearm.
Anyway I have to mention that Surf wouldn't be just a wave you see at the beach.If you play PBR or Pokemon XD they all portray Surf and Muddy Water as a tsunami like wave.I don't say it would be 20m tall.But it could reach a good 8m if used by a strong special attacker like Starmie or a big Pokemon.A goldeen and a shellos' surf wouldn't be taller than 3m and an azurill's would be even smaller,about 2m.Scald? Firstly they don't have the same BP.Surf is 95 and scald is 80. Scald can't kill but it can cause so many 3rd degree burns and pain that you would suffer for months till full recovery(not mentioning death by shock since it is quite rare).And it's not right to rate the destructibility of attacks just by comparing its BP with another move.Bubble has a BP of 20 while Pin Missile only 14.So Bubble should be stronger but at the end sharp needles would hurt more than bubbles.

And a Vileplume is able to use other moves as well.Petal dance,leaf storm,sludge bomb,acid,giga drain,energy ball,seed bomb etc

Now you Grif of Hearts : I kinda agree.Especially when you said that Pokemon would firstly warn you in a non lethal way before attacking in a deadly way.For instance I can imagine someone approaching a Walrein.It would firstly warn with a Powder Snow before using it's Ice Beam to freeze him.A Ralts would firstly use a weak confusion and if you still continue to getting closer it will blast you away with psychic.
Oh and about the attacks.Bite,as almost every physical attack(which actually makes contact), would vary according to the Pokemon size and strength.If a meowth,eevee or shinx used bite you would feel pain and get a wound or two from the bite.If a feraligatr,luxray or steelix used bite you wouldn't live to tell the tale.And you are clever enough to think about Crunch.
Special attacks wouldn't be so easy to dodge.
Sure you can dodge an ice beam if you are lucky enough to react quickly but a blizzard?Sure you may dodge a hydro pump but what about a surf?There are some special moves that are inevitable.And Hydro Pump wouldn't be like a water cannon.It would be stronger.In the anime watergun was shown to blast you away so a hydro pump would be more powerful.Hydro pump would be lethal.And the water cannons the police use are not lethal?Well that's because they don't switch them to their full power since they only want to deal with the riots not kill them.Same with the sound cannon.If they turn it up at max power they would all die from the increased pressure which would burst their organs(look it up if you don't believe).A hydro pump would certainly be lethal and very devastating to everything.It could even cars flying.They are Pokemon.I don't grab a garden hose and claim that I can use watergun.

And for God's sake Poueff.Gyarados is a sea monster not an anaconda.And plus anacondas can't shoot water or cause whirlpools.And if gyarados isn't a big enough threat to you then try jellicent.It's pokedex entry is enough.

Sorry for the wall of text.Read and reply please :)

 

[miltankRancher]

I think since most of the population are Pokemon fans (aryt?) I think people would still be the dominant species, but we are still subject to their raw and savagery, like how lions can devour humans etc.

 

[OreoMaster]

I agree 100% with you.Pokemon wouldn't have the ambition and the intelligence to govern and dominate.So we would dominate.But we would live in a world way way way more dangerous than this one.In this world you are afraid of a lion because it can devour you.In that world you would be afraid of a lion since it could not only devour but electrocute you as well(luxray).

 

[sherreamethyst]

I think people would still remain dominant. I mean if you look at the anime, people are still dominant in there. They create Pokemon technology and medicine. I don't think a Alakazam or a Slowbro could do that. Oh, and going with what you said above me, OreoMaster, yes we probably would live in a much dangerous world. But it seems like Pokemon are much more understanding of humans that a normal animal would be. Although a Luxray probably eats flesh, I don't think one would eat a human. It might electrocute one, but it probably would'nt eat a human as it probably has other prey and humans could battle and catch it if the Luxray attacked.

 

[OreoMaster]

But always consider that we wouldn't have pokeballs.Just the technology we have now.Don't base on logic which says that if Pokemon existed then everything about them would too.A luxray in the Pokemon world might not attack(which I don't believe) a human as it might be afraid of the mighty pokeball but a luxray in real life would probably see us as nothing else but prey.Weak prey in front of its powers.
You walk by the coast and you just notice a vaporeon.You go like 'awwww how cute cute cute cute cute this is! 8D I just need to hug it,just a small hug,come on a small tiny huggggg..'
...Vaporeon uses Aqua Tail!
You slump to the ground with a broken spine and a shattered hip.
Yup now go hug it again.