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[Discussion] New type triangle for starter Pokémon

FluorescentMunchlax

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    • With some leaked screenshots from Pokemon it was revealed that there is a new type triangle, that people could now use for their games. As you know instead of Fire Grass Water a lot of people use Fighting Dark Psychic and a few use Rock Ice Ground. Now you can use the new one:

    Fairy --> Fighting --> Steel --> Fairy and so on.

    I'm possibly going to use this for my upcoming game but for now I will just make some sprites for it and put them up here when they're done. Hope this helped though.

    The type chart:
    View attachment 69584
     
    Arma

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    • Coming up with triangles is something quite easy to do... things would be a lot more interesting if you come up with just two Pokemon to begin your journey with, or five.

    Rock Ice Ground doesn't seem like a good triangle to me, since the majority of rock and ground type Pokemon have similar appearances and movesets.

    Anyways, here are some ideas:
    Three Pokemon:
    Fire > Steel > Rock
    Poison > Grass > Ground
    Ice > Ground > Fire

    Two Pokemon:
    Water/Ice <> Grass
    Ground/Psychic <> Grass/Poison
    Steel/Ground <> Fire/Fighting
    Normal/Flying <> Grass/Ice

    Something even more interesting would be a triangle like Houndoom <> Breloom <> Claydol.

    In my game, the starters are Poliwag and Ralts. A bit weird, you might think, but I'm kinda fed up with the "Rival picks Pokemon which has the type advantage over yours" concept.
     

    joeyhugg

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    Personally, I'm using the following triangle and pokemon:

    Ice -> Ground -> Steel

    Vanillite -> Trapinch -> Beldum
     
    Sunfished

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    Okay wait, isn't a Dark Psychic Fighting not a triangle?

    Dark is immune to Psychic, which completely makes it not a triangle. Unless you want a bias type-choice, of course.

    Ice, Ground, and Steel are also biased, as Ground hits Ice normally.

    Here's a list of all possible triangles(without the fairy)
    Rock/Flying/Fighting
    Fire/Rock/Steel
    Grass/Poison/Ground

    And by neglecting the damage by cross-typing:

    Here's a list of possible Quads:
    Fire/Bug/Grass/Water
    Fire/Grass/Ground/Rock
    Rock/Flying/Grass/Ground

    And Pentagons:
    Fire/Bug/Grass/Ground/Rock
    Bug/Grass/Ground/Rock/Flying

    this was found at:
    http://www.dragonflycave.com/

    This is, of course, if you were looking for legitimate triangles. That means that the type resists one and is super-effective against another.
     
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    Arma

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    • @Sunfished: I don't think the quads you posted are legitimate as well...
    Fire has a advantage over both grass and bug...
    and grass can easily beat rock and ground.
     
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    As I said, the quads and quints are workable if you ignore the cross-typing :P

    But yeah, I just thought it was interesting to note that someone actually thought of quads and quints.
     

    joeyhugg

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    Why you would even use your ground starter against the rival's ice pokemon is beyond my level of comprehension.
     
    Arma

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    • joeyhugg said:
    Why you would even use your ground starter against the rival's ice pokemon is beyond my level of comprehension.
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    Most ground type Pokemon are able to carry steel and rock typed moves, some may even carry fire and fighting moves...
     

    joeyhugg

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    elarmasecreta said:
    Most ground type Pokemon are able to carry steel and rock typed moves, some may even carry fire and fighting moves...
    Click to expand...

    That's why I picked a starter that's only level-up learned move that is good against ice to be Rock Slide, which is learned at level 25, giving plenty of opportunity to get more Pokemon other than your starter.
     
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    As Elarmasecreta said, Ground has many quirks that can be still used against Ice-mons.

    Also, Ice is quite frail compared to Ground attackers. They most likely can't withstand an Earthquake.

    But it is your opinion, and the idea is quite new.
     

    KoolKat vs. Lucas

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    Well, even though Ground is immune to Electric, I like the quint of

    Water->Fire->Grass->Ground->Electric
     

    FluorescentMunchlax

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    • elarmasecreta said:
    Coming up with triangles is something quite easy to do... things would be a lot more interesting if you come up with just two Pokemon to begin your journey with, or five.

    Rock Ice Ground doesn't seem like a good triangle to me, since the majority of rock and ground type Pokemon have similar appearances and movesets.

    Anyways, here are some ideas:
    Three Pokemon:
    Fire > Steel > Rock
    Poison > Grass > Ground
    Ice > Ground > Fire

    Two Pokemon:
    Water/Ice <> Grass
    Ground/Psychic <> Grass/Poison
    Steel/Ground <> Fire/Fighting
    Normal/Flying <> Grass/Ice

    Something even more interesting would be a triangle like Houndoom <> Breloom <> Claydol.

    In my game, the starters are Poliwag and Ralts. A bit weird, you might think, but I'm kinda fed up with the "Rival picks Pokemon which has the type advantage over yours" concept.
    Click to expand...

    I guess that would be cool to have two. It would be kinda interesting but you could do it where the two are supereffective on eachother like Ghost Ghost or Dragon Dragon but I do see where you're coming from with the multi-types... and I get what you mean with rock and ground having similar movesets, i didn't take that into account...

    joeyhugg said:
    Personally, I'm using the following triangle and pokemon:

    Ice -> Ground -> Steel

    Vanillite -> Trapinch -> Beldum
    Click to expand...

    That was one I considered... didn't want to clog my post with every single triangle possible, there's around 10-20
     
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    FluorescentMunchlax

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    • Sunfished said:
    Okay wait, isn't a Dark Psychic Fighting not a triangle?

    Dark is immune to Psychic, which completely makes it not a triangle. Unless you want a bias type-choice, of course.

    Ice, Ground, and Steel are also biased, as Ground hits Ice normally.

    Here's a list of all possible triangles(without the fairy)
    Rock/Flying/Fighting
    Fire/Rock/Steel
    Grass/Poison/Ground

    And by neglecting the damage by cross-typing:

    Here's a list of possible Quads:
    Fire/Bug/Grass/Water
    Fire/Grass/Ground/Rock
    Rock/Flying/Grass/Ground

    And Pentagons:
    Fire/Bug/Grass/Ground/Rock
    Bug/Grass/Ground/Rock/Flying

    this was found at:


    This is, of course, if you were looking for legitimate triangles. That means that the type resists one and is super-effective against another.
    Click to expand...

    With Psychic not being able to hit Dark, you wouldn't ever use a grass move against a fire type starter, plus you could make it interesting and have the starters as
    Natu 4x effective on Croagunk who is 4x effective on Sneasel. Sneasel isn't 4x effective on Natu, but instead has two types both 2x effective, making up for the lack of Natu not hitting Sneasel with Psychic moves.

    Another thing, thanks for the fighitng flying rock one. Did not know that.

    audinowho said:
    Psypokes has an article on type loops like these. Given, it's a bit outdated now that XY are on the horizon, but a good read.
    Click to expand...

    Thanks for the link! Will be sure to check this out.
     
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    mrsnuggles

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    • Don't forget you also need to take stats into account when choosing starters. take for example Joeyhugg's vanillite,trapinch,& beldum triangle, beldum has a clear advantage because metagross's total base stats of 600 is alot higher the vanilluxe or flygon who have base stats of 535 & 520 respectively. also move pools are important
     
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