Counter that Pokémon

Nah · Dec 19, 2013

People sure like to use Porygon2 to counter Dragonite...

-Mega Lucario w/Lucarionite
Nature: Hasty
Ability: Adaptibility
EVs: 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Attack
Moves: Aura Sphere, Flash Cannon, Dark Pulse, Extreme Speed

0 SpA Porygon2 Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Lucario: 90-107 (32 - 38%) -- 96.4% chance to 3HKO

252 SpA Adaptability Mega Lucario Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 256-304 (68.4 - 81.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Dark Azelf · Dec 19, 2013

Gyarados@Leftovers
248 HP / 164 Def / 96 Sp.Def
Careful Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall

Pretty self explanatory. Pretty much hard walls and sets up on the whole set.

Ársa · Dec 19, 2013

Dark Azelf said:
Gyarados@Leftovers
248 HP / 164 Def / 96 Sp.Def
Careful Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall

Pretty self explanatory. Pretty much hard walls and sets up on the whole set.

Speaking of hard-walled.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Modest
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Water Absorb

Calm Mind
Hidden Power Electric / Substitute
Ice Beam
Hydro Pump

cbf calculating EV's for this. But basically, Water Absorb > Waterfall.

Sub + CM > ??? > profit

Hiatus · Dec 19, 2013

Rotom-C w/ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Timid
4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
~ Volt Switch
~ Leaf Storm
~ Thunderbolt
~ Trick

Trick, Thunderbolt, then Leaf Storm away! If Leaf Storm can't get the job done, Volt Switch definitely will.

Nah · Dec 19, 2013

-Heatran w/Air Balloon
Nature: Timid
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Moves: Fire Blast, Earth Power, Hidden Power Ice, Flash Cannon

252 SpA Rotom-C Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Heatran: 121-144 (37.3 - 44.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

That's Rotom-C's (why is it C? wouldn't M be better?) best attack against Heatran. And its pretty obvious what Fire Blast's gonna do...

Ársa · Dec 19, 2013

This thread just keeps going in circles. I think I've seen Heatran about 8 times. As well as this:

Rotom-W @ Leftovers
Modest
248 HP / 56 SpA / 204 SpD
Levitate

Hydro Pump
Pain Split
Volt Switch
Light Screen

Resists ERRRRRRYTHAAAANG and 2HKO's with Hydro Pump. Light Screen + Pain Split for longevity.

Nolafus · Dec 19, 2013

Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature
- Toxic
- Scald
- Earth Power
- Recover

Gastrodon is immune to both of Rotom-W's attacks and will just wait out the toxic stall. Recover is there so Pain Split doesn't do all that much.

PlatinumDude · Dec 20, 2013

For the sake of getting out of this circle:

Cacturne:

-Swords Dance
-Seed Bomb
-Sucker Punch
-Substitute
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb

Cacturne doesn't fear Scald from Gastrodon, due to Water Absorb, and can eliminate it with Seed Bomb, or use Substitute on the switch in to ease prediction.

Nolafus · Dec 20, 2013

Honchkrow @ Life Orb
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Substitute
- Roost
- Brave Bird
- Sucker Punch

I don't think Honchkrow has been mentioned yet. Anyway, resists both STABs and completely ruins Cacturn with Brave Bird.

Tyrael · Dec 20, 2013

Golem @ Custap Berry
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Nature: Adamant
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Sucker Punch
- Explosion

252 Atk Life Orb Honchkrow Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Golem: 99-117 (27.1 - 32.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Honchkrow Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Golem: 133-157 (36.5 - 43.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ Atk Golem Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Honchkrow: 428-506 (105.9 - 125.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Golem takes literally nothing from Honchkrow, can easily OHKO with Rock Slide, and also can Explode in people's faces when he's about to die! :D

Nah · Dec 20, 2013

In an attempt in try an use Pokemon that haven't been used so much before:

-Feraligatr w/Expert Belt
Nature: Impish
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Attack, 4 Speed
Moves: Waterfall, Ice Punch, Aqua Jet, Crunch

Yeah, it never uses a set like this, but hey, we've gotta get a little creative here.

252+ Atk Golem Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Feraligatr: 154-183 (41.1 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Golem's strongest attack (not including Explosion) fails to 2HKO Gatr. Waterfall then drops it to 1 HP. After that, Feraligatr can use Aqua Jet to kill Golem before the imminent Explosion or if outspeeds due to Custap Berry.

Opposite Day · Dec 20, 2013

No match for double status loom. Or so I thought, until I saw a different version of this amazing set earlier on this page, so I had a change of heart:
(ignore this spoiler)

Spoiler:

EDIT: ARE YOU FLIPPING KIDDING ME, FINE, I'LL FIND A DIFFERENT COUNTER
(ignore this one too)

Spoiler:

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Avalugg @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
Impish
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
- Avalanche
- Recover
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake

Self explainatory what it does. To emphasize how well this thing takes hits from Gatr I will show how much Ice Punch does to it. 5.3 - 6.3%. Yes, that's right - leftovers is healing more than what it is doing to it. In a similar vein, Crunch does 11-14%, and Waterfall manages a solid 7HKO with max damage every single turn, doing 17 - 20.5%.

SMASHED FROZEN BEATEN COUNTERED TAKE THAT

champagnepapi · Dec 20, 2013

Heatran (M) @ Air Balloon
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Flash Cannon
- Stealth Rock

"Heatran used Fire Blast." [And outspeeds even if the Balloon is broken on the switch.]

Nah · Dec 20, 2013

Has this been used a lot yet?

-Jellicent, Lord of Moustaches, w/Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp.Defense, 4 Defense
Moves: Scald, Shadow Ball, Recover, Will-o-Wisp

252 SpA Flash Fire Heatran Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Jellicent: 93-111 (23 - 27.4%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Jellicent: 69-82 (17 - 20.2%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery

Moustachio wins.

Ársa · Dec 20, 2013

Antebellum said:
Heatran (M) @ Air Balloon
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Flash Cannon
- Stealth Rock

"Heatran used Fire Blast." [And outspeeds even if the Balloon is broken on the switch.]

Hariyama @ Chesto Berry
Careful
120 HP / 136 Atk / 252 SpD
Thick Fat

Close Combat
Bullet Punch
Belly Drum
Rest

252 SpA Flash Fire Heatran Fire Blast vs. 120 HP / 252+ SpD Thick Fat Hariyama: 133-157 (28.9 - 34.2%) -- 1.9% chance to 3HKO

136 Atk Hariyama Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 324-384 (100 - 118.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Edit: Dammit Zekrom.

No Chance Without Zekrom said:
Has this been used a lot yet?

-Jellicent, Lord of Moustaches, w/Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp.Defense, 4 Defense
Moves: Scald, Shadow Ball, Recover, Will-o-Wisp

252 SpA Flash Fire Heatran Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Jellicent: 93-111 (23 - 27.4%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Jellicent: 69-82 (17 - 20.2%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery

Moustachio wins.

Luxray @ Assault Vest
Adamant
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Guts

Wild Charge
Ice Fang
Crunch
Fire Fang

Only ever 5HKO'd by Scald / Shadow Ball if maximum damage is rolled every turn, and doesn't care for WoW thanks to Guts. Wild Charge will OHKO even before Guts is activated.

champagnepapi · Dec 20, 2013

Quagsire (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 244 Def / 12 SDef
Relaxed Nature
- Scald
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Recover

252+ Atk Luxray Crunch vs. 252 HP / 244+ Def Quagsire: 73-87 (18.5 - 22%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery

Speaks for the rest of Luxray's moves. On the flip side:

0 Atk Quagsire Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Luxray: 230-272 (63.1 - 74.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Nah · Dec 20, 2013

-Serperior w/Life Orb
Nature: Timid
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Moves: Giga Drain, Hidden Power Rock, Calm Mind, Taunt

No explanation needed, right?

Nolafus · Dec 20, 2013

Metagross @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake
- Zen Headbutt

Resists both of Serperior's attacks and taunt will have no affect. In other words, Serperior is toast.

Tyrael · Dec 20, 2013

Diggersby(Tho) @ Life Orb
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Quick Attack
- Return
- Stone Edge

252+ Atk Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Diggersby: 207-244 (55.3 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Metagross Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Diggersby: 184-217 (49.1 - 58%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Huge Power Diggersby Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Metagross: 439-517 (120.6 - 142%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Diggersby can easily come in and take one hit from Metagross, outspeed with the given EVs, and proceed to OHKO it with Earthquake :)

Hiatus · Dec 21, 2013

Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 176 SAtk / 80 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Scald
- Wish
- Ice Beam
- Protect

It could take Diggersby out instantly with Scald. If not, then Ice Beam will finish it off. With the combination of Wish and Protect, it could recover itself whenever it needs to. :b

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