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Physical HO team help?!

KH Fan Bixran

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  • i like playing agressive, and this seemed perfect. however, i cannot seem to set up my team right. that, or i just cant seem to synergize enough.


    Azelf @ Light Clay
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Reflect
    - Light Screen
    - Taunt
    my dual-screener, not much to say


    AuraKnight (Lucario) (M) @ Air Balloon
    Trait: Inner Focus
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SDef
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Close Combat
    - ExtremeSpeed
    - Ice Punch
    - Swords Dance

    seems to be useful under screens


    Haxorz (Haxorus) (F) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Mold Breaker
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SDef
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Dragon Dance
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Brick Break


    big heavy hitter, especially w/ screens up

    Terra (Terrakion) @ Air Balloon
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SDef
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Rock Polish
    - Swords Dance
    - Close Combat
    - Stone Edge

    not sure of him, thinking of replacing

    Gary Oak (Garchomp) (M) @ Yache Berry
    Trait: Sand Veil
    EVs:
    Hardy Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Dragon Claw
    - Earthquake
    - Fire Fang

    EDIT: forgot gar is uber, so need a viable OU replacement for him

    Alamos (Latios) (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef
    Hardy Nature
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Surf
    - Recover

    i am thinking this dude was a bad idea, found it on smogon, REALLY want to change it.

    any help is appreciated!!
     
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    PlatinumDude

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  • For Haxorus, use 220 Speed EVs to outspeed most Pokemon not holding a Choice Scarf, then the last 36 in HP.
     

    Ho-Oh

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    Something I noticed is that your team is pretty much weak to Timid Latios @ LO/Choice, since when Azelf is down it's basically super effective hits against everything else. Two of your Pokemon are weak to faster dragons too. So! Basically what you'd be best off doing is changing Latios to Timid and investing in Speed, rather than SDef since not even on the Calm Mind set it invests in SDef :x And at least that way you can at least hope for a speed-tie with most Latios'. Now that isn't really the "best" thing, since there's a chance you'll miss out on the tie, etc. SO, you'll probably be best off with another steel in Garchomp's position, since members of your team are also weak against Ice, and with Donphan, Mamoswine, Cloyster, Starmie and with various others w/ HP Ice, a second steel can come in handy to help out your team when Lucario is down.

    Best I can think of for this rn is Scizor to resist this kinda stuff & it can take out most of the ice types that'll annoy your dragons & can mostly take out Latios after a bit of damage, plus it gives you extra priority etc.

    Posting the basic offensive Scizor for easy!

    Scizor@Life Orb
    Technician
    252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant/Jolly
    ~ Swords Dance
    ~ Bullet Punch
    ~ Superpower / Brick Break
    ~ Bug Bite
     

    Anti

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  • If you want a very reliable insurance option, Mamoswine or Weavile could be solid ideas, though both have some trouble fitting in on HO teams. SD Weavile might not be a bad idea though. It's faster than just about anything and is a good specialist.

    More than anything, I would put in Salamence with Intimidate or just something to sure of the defenses a little. If you can't take the momentum right away (maybe because of a priority Taunt or something) you're in a world of trouble. I definitely like Nica's Scizor suggestion. I was going to reply earlier and forgot what I was gonna say, blah. I might mention something on the server.

    But yeah Garchomp is prolly a no-go! ;p
     

    TheBowsinator

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    For Haxorus, use 220 Speed EVs to outspeed most Pokemon not holding a Choice Scarf, then the last 36 in HP.

    haxorus is really frail anyway, so just max the speed

    that HP wont do you anygood, and outspeeding things is always a plus.
     
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    Musica

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  • It is going to dance so a bit of survival won't hurt. If it dances once, it can outspeed almost everything un-scarfed.

    Instead of Latios, why not try CM Latias? It's bulky enough and can throw back strong attacks. Dual Screens should be maximized or else your team would get down easily by being walled. Sucker punchers can deal with Azelf or something that is scarf'ed. You may need a Utility Pokemon that can heal your damaged attackers, and also a Special Attacker (if you want to discard Latios) for very Defensive Pokemons like Skarmory, Ferrothorn, Gliscor, and many other.
     
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    is this some kinda hyper offensive team?
    lucario needs crunch > ice beam, or else jellycent, tentacruel, any bulky psychic types will wall you for days.

    instead of chomp you can get rotom-w
    deals with gliscor, anything lucario cant handle without icebeam. your team pretty much stomps ferrothorn

    so the move set i suggest

    rotom-w @ choice scarf
    timid
    EVs 4 HP / 252 SpAtt / 252 Spe
    -volt switch
    -trick/thunder/thunderbolt (usually people go with trick, but thunder is good with all those rainstall team going around)
    -hp [ice]
    -hydro pump

    specially offensive T-Tar will also boosts the def of terrikion
     

    Dark Azelf

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    Swords Dance and Lum Berry on Haxorus > Brick Break and LO. Dual Dance Haxorus is by far its best and most deadly and can actually break walls and its counters and checks, SD Outrage 2HKO's Skarmory and the Lum Berry lets you beat T-Wave Ferrothorn etc. Whilst DD lets you shred offensive teams.

    Dragonite > Garchomp. Under Screens with Multi Scale it pretty much wins game. Lum Berry max att/ max speed Fire Punch / DD / Outrage / ES as this team cannot take status for squat.

    As for the other suggestions, Choice users suck on HO as they gift other pokemon a free set up and on a team as frail as HO you cannot afford to do. Likewise with walls and tanks.

    Plus you should really attack from one side of the spectrum to pound away on the same counter till it breaks and as thus opens up a hole in the opposing team. Skarmory and Ferro are not problems when they both get 2hko'd by everything on this team.
     
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