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Competitive Team Questions (and Incomplete Team Help)

PlatinumDude

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    • Dragonmage said:
    Special Sweeper-Magnezone
    -Thunderbolt
    -Magnet Rise
    -Flash Cannon
    -Signal Beam
    EV:
    152 HP
    252 SAtk
    100 Spd

    Physical Wall-Carracosta
    Item: Chesto Berry
    -Aqua Jet
    -Ancient Power
    -Ice Beam
    -Rest
    EV:
    200 HP
    52 Atk
    252 Def

    This is the start of my tournament team. I'm thinking of adding in a Blissey as a special wall, and Scizor as a baton passer. Any suggestions (other pokemon to use, builds, etc)?
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    Magnezone could theoretically use Magnet Rise to avoid Ground moves, but Air Balloon is a more reliable alternative:
    -Substitute
    -Thunderbolt
    -Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)/Charge Beam
    -Flash Cannon/Charge Beam
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 36 HP/252 SAtk/220 Spe
    Item: Leftovers/Air Balloon
    Ability: Magnet Pull

    or
    -Thunderbolt
    -Volt Switch
    -Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)
    -Flash Cannon
    Nature: Timid/Modest
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe (Timid) or 148 HP/252 SAtk/108 Spe (Modest)
    Item: Choice Scarf (Timid)/Choice Specs (Modest)
    Ability: Magnet Pull

    Carracosta's bad defensive typing makes it unsuitable as a physical wall, but it has Stealth Rock as a support option. Its Attack is better than its Special Attack, so the latter stat is rarely used. It also makes a decent Shell Smash sweeper:
    -Stealth Rock
    -Waterfall
    -Stone Edge
    -Aqua Jet/Stealth Rock
    Nature: Impish
    EVs: 248 HP/8 Atk/252 Def
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Solid Rock

    or
    -Shell Smash
    -Waterfall
    -Stone Edge
    -Aqua Jet/Earthquake
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: White Herb

    But then again, Gliscor is a better physical wall because of its good defensive typing in conjunction with Poison Heal:
    -Substitute
    -Toxic
    -Protect/Taunt/Roost
    -Earthquake
    Nature: Impish
    EVs: 244 HP/28 Def/236 Spe
    Item: Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal

    or
    -Earthquake
    -Taunt/Toxic
    -Toxic/Ice Fang/Stealth Rock
    -Roost/Protect
    Nature: Impish
    EVs: 252 HP/240 Def/16 Spe
    Item: Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal

    Scizor is better off scouting or KOing things outright rather than Baton Passing. Baton Passing can be done better by Ninjask or Smeargle:

    Scizor:
    -U-turn
    -Bullet Punch
    -Superpower
    -Quick Attack/Pursuit
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 Spe
    Item: Choice Band
    Ability: Technician

    or
    -Swords Dance
    -Bullet Punch
    -Brick Break/Superpower
    -Bug Bite/Roost
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
    Ability: Technician

    or
    -Swords Dance
    -Bullet Punch
    -Bug Bite/Superpower
    -Roost
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 HP/40 Atk/216 SDef
    Item: Leftovers/Iron Plate/Metal Coat
    Ability: Technician

    Ninjask:
    -Substitute
    -Protect
    -Baton Pass
    -Swords Dance/Toxic
    Nature: Impish
    EVs: 248 HP/236 Def/24 Spe
    Item: Leftovers/Mental Herb
    Ability: Speed Boost

    Smeargle:
    -Spore
    -Shell Smash
    -Baton Pass
    -Ingrain/Taunt
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 80 Atk/96 Def/80 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Focus Sash
    Ability: Own Tempo
     

    vapes

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    • Ash493 said:
    More than stats as global, EVs and preferably IVs would help in deciding.
    Bold is a good nature so in that field it's pretty good.
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    IV's in order
    HP: 31 Atk: 3 Def: 26 Sp Atk: 9 Sp Def: 12 Spd: 28

    EV's
    HP: 252 Atk: 0 Def: 200 Sp Atk: 0 Sp Def: 52 Spd: 0

    Hopefully that helps. I really do like Vaporeon as a water type, and I really want to use on a competitive team

    PlatinumDude said:
    Moveset needs work. Acid Armor is only good for Baton Pass sets:
    -Wish
    -Protect
    -Scald
    -Ice Beam/Toxic
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 Spe
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Water Absorb

    or
    -Substitute
    -Baton Pass
    -Acid Armor/Aqua Ring/Wish
    -Scald/Roar
    Nature: Bold
    EV: 244 HP/136 Def/128 Spe
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Water Absorb
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    Hmm..I see I actually like the first set best with toxic instead of ice beam. I just don't know how to get the wish on there. I'm pretty sure I have to breed it to get that, correct? or is there a tm for it?

    Also, stat wise and based on my IV's and EV spread, is it a good Vaporeon? Or should I breed for one with better SP Def?
     
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    PlatinumDude

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    • vapes said:
    IV's in order
    HP: 31 Atk: 3 Def: 26 Sp Atk: 9 Sp Def: 12 Spd: 28

    EV's
    HP: 252 Atk: 0 Def: 200 Sp Atk: 0 Sp Def: 52 Spd: 0

    Hopefully that helps. I really do like Vaporeon as a water type, and I really want to use on a competitive team



    Hmm..I see I actually like the first set best with toxic instead of ice beam. I just don't know how to get the wish on there. I'm pretty sure I have to breed it to get that, correct? or is there a tm for it?

    Also, stat wise and based on my IV's and EV spread, is it a good Vaporeon? Or should I breed for one with better SP Def?
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    Wish is one of Eevee's egg moves, so you'll have to breed for it.

    The IVs are decent, but the Special stats are terrible.
     

    vapes

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    • PlatinumDude said:
    Wish is one of Eevee's egg moves, so you'll have to breed for it.

    The IVs are decent, but the Special stats are terrible.
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    Well SP Atk shouldn't really matter since it's mostly a wall and its natural SP Atk can do some damage anyways. But yes I have hatched an egg that has much better SP Def, Def, and Speed. 29/30-31/29 respectively. The SP Atk is 5-8, but honestly it doesn't bother me as toxic and protect and wish will take out Pokes. And Surf/Scald will still do quite a lot of damage.

    But yes I'll have to get a togepi..
     

    PlatinumDude

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    • vapes said:
    Well SP Atk shouldn't really matter since it's mostly a wall and its natural SP Atk can do some damage anyways. But yes I have hatched an egg that has much better SP Def, Def, and Speed. 29/30-31/29 respectively. The SP Atk is 5-8, but honestly it doesn't bother me as toxic and protect and wish will take out Pokes. And Surf/Scald will still do quite a lot of damage.

    But yes I'll have to get a togepi..
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    But then again, having a good IV in an offensive stat you intend to use is also important, as Toxic may not be enough to take down opponents, and base stats aren't enough alone, since there are times when the low IV will hinder your damage output.

    Togepi and Eevee can't breed together as they belong to different egg groups. You can have a male Smeargle Sketch Wish and breed it with Eevee.
     

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    • PlatinumDude said:
    But then again, having a good IV in an offensive stat you intend to use is also important, as Toxic may not be enough to take down opponents, and base stats aren't enough alone, since there are times when the low IV will hinder your damage output.

    Togepi and Eevee can't breed together as they belong to different egg groups. You can have a male Smeargle Sketch Wish and breed it with Eevee.
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    Hm, yes I see what you mean. Well I finally bred one and got an Eevee with WISH (I used skitty) and got these IV's
    31/9/26/23-28/28/24 (Some of those might be wrong but they're around there).

    Personally I think this is very good and I am not changing it. But please do provide feedback. Also, wish can be relearned by a move tutor if I delete it, correct?
     

    PlatinumDude

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    • vapes said:
    Hm, yes I see what you mean. Well I finally bred one and got an Eevee with WISH (I used skitty) and got these IV's
    31/9/26/23-28/28/24 (Some of those might be wrong but they're around there).

    Personally I think this is very good and I am not changing it. But please do provide feedback. Also, wish can be relearned by a move tutor if I delete it, correct?
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    Yup, those IVs should be good.

    Also, the Move Maniac can only reteach level-up moves, not Egg/tutor moves, and Wish isn't one of Eevee's level-up moves.
     

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    • PlatinumDude said:
    Yup, those IVs should be good.

    Also, the Move Maniac can only reteach level-up moves, not Egg/tutor moves, and Wish isn't one of Eevee's level-up moves.
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    Thanks.
    Just a quick question, do you happen to have one tamoto berry? I messed up EV training.

    I have also chosen this moveset:

    Scald
    Toxic
    Wish
    Protect

    Toxic for special attackers, scald for physical
     
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    PlatinumDude

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    • vapes said:
    Thanks.
    Just a quick question, do you happen to have one tamoto berry? I messed up EV training.

    I have also chosen this moveset:

    Scald
    Toxic
    Wish
    Protect

    Toxic for special attackers, scald for physical
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    I don't trade via Wi-Fi. Tamato Berries can be bought at random from the Pokémon Breeder at Route 5 in B2/W2. Ask in the Quick Trade thread in the Trade forum.
     

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    • PlatinumDude said:
    I don't trade via Wi-Fi. Tamato Berries can be bought at random from the Pokémon Breeder at Route 5 in B2/W2. Ask in the Quick Trade thread in the Trade forum.
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    She doesn't give you Tamato Berries for some reason.
    But yes, I already did. Thanks for your help, though
     

    WingedDragon

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    • I have a Haxorus. Thats Lonely nature with 29+ atk and spd Ivs but its HP Iv is 0. Yes I mean 0. Id like to keep it but not sure if its a good idea considering its low hp and everything. Is it?
     

    Aryan143

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    • @AdrainD: You should keep it considering that you will be using Haxorus offensively. If you want to be defensive, then use another one.
     
    Satoshi Ookami

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    • AdrianD said:
    I have a Haxorus. Thats Lonely nature with 29+ atk and spd Ivs but its HP Iv is 0. Yes I mean 0. Id like to keep it but not sure if its a good idea considering its low hp and everything. Is it?
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    Don't care about HP... Haxorus isn't made for long battles... it's made for sweeping.
    So give him Choice Scarf or Band and kill everything before it kills you. ;)
     

    WingedDragon

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    • Aryan143 said:
    @AdrainD: You should keep it considering that you will be using Haxorus offensively. If you want to be defensive, then use another one.
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    Ash493 said:
    Don't care about HP... Haxorus isn't made for long battles... it's made for sweeping.
    So give him Choice Scarf or Band and kill everything before it kills you. ;)
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    Which pokemon endures well? I have I think three sweepers 2 physical, 1 special. Would like one to endure a little bit and grind out if need be.
     

    ClumzyTrainR13

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    • Darmanitan vs. Chandelure

    So, my pokemon team has always proved well for me, but there is always room for improvement. Of course, I have the infamous Sp. Atk god Chandelure on my team, but as a was surfing through my PC, I noticed something. My measly Lvl 60 Darmanitan had a 203 Atk level, without EV Training or boosters! As a result, I began to wonder: should I replace my Chandelure with Darmanitan after this new found discovery? Opinions, please!
     

    PlatinumDude

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    • AdrianD said:
    Which pokemon endures well? I have I think three sweepers 2 physical, 1 special. Would like one to endure a little bit and grind out if need be.
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    Here are some bulky 'mons you can try:

    Ferrothorn:
    -Stealth Rock/Spikes
    -Leech Seed
    -Power Whip
    -Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave/Protect
    Nature: Relaxed
    EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
    Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell

    Forretress:
    -Stealth Rock/Spikes/Toxic Spikes
    -Rapid Spin
    -Volt Switch
    -Gyro Ball/Hidden Power (Ice)
    Nature: Relaxed/Bold
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy

    Donphan:
    -Earthquake
    -Rapid Spin
    -Stealth Rock/Head Smash/Stone Edge
    -Ice Shard
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy

    Blissey:
    -Aromatherapy/Heal Bell/Stealth Rock
    -Softboiled
    -Seismic Toss/Flamethrower
    -Toxic/Thunder Wave
    Nature: Calm
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Def/252 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Natural Cure

    or
    -Wish
    -Protect/Softboiled
    -Seismic Toss/Flamethrower
    -Toxic/Thunder Wave
    Nature: Calm
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Def/252 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Natural Cure

    Skarmory:
    -Spikes/Stealth Rock
    -Whirlwind/Roar
    -Roost
    -Brave Bird/Taunt
    Nature: Impish/Careful
    EVs: 252 HP/232 Def/24 Spe or 252 HP/232 SDef/24 Spe
    Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell
    Ability: Sturdy

    Heatran:
    -Lava Plume
    -Stealth Rock/Roar
    -Toxic/Will-o-Wisp/Earth Power
    -Protect
    Nature: Calm
    EVs: 248 HP/252 SDef/8 Spe
    Item: Leftovers

    Gliscor:
    -Earthquake
    -Substitute
    -Toxic
    -Protect/Taunt/Roost
    Nature: Impish
    EVs: 244 HP/28 Def/236 Spe
    Item: Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal

    or
    -Earthquake
    -Taunt/Toxic
    -Toxic/Ice Fang/Stealth Rock
    -Roost/Protect
    Nature: Impish
    EVs: 252 HP/240 Def/16 Spe
    Item: Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal

    Jellicent:
    -Scald/Surf
    -Will-o-Wisp/Toxic
    -Recover
    -Taunt
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 Spe
    Item: Leftovers

    or
    -Scald/Surf
    -Will-o-Wisp/Toxic
    -Recover
    -Ice Beam/Shadow Ball
    Nature: Calm
    EVs: 252 HP/36 Def/220 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Water Absorb
     

    PlatinumDude

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    • The choice between Darmanitan and Chandelure depends on whether you want to hit hard physically or specially. Both have good offensive move pools, but Chandelure's Ghost typing is also what sets it from Darmanitan.
     

    WingedDragon

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    • vapes said:
    Thanks.
    Just a quick question, do you happen to have one tamoto berry? I messed up EV training.

    I have also chosen this moveset:

    Scald
    Toxic
    Wish
    Protect

    Toxic for special attackers, scald for physical
    Click to expand...

    PlatinumDude said:
    I don't trade via Wi-Fi. Tamato Berries can be bought at random from the Pokémon Breeder at Route 5 in B2/W2. Ask in the Quick Trade thread in the Trade forum.
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    They can be bought in the join avenue the berry specialist has to be I think lv 8
     
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